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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 10, 2018 21:15:34 GMT -5
If attendance at HC basketball games both at the Hart and the DCU is around 2,000, then why not schedule all our home games at home, at the Hart on campus. It seems obvious to me that the Hart has ample seating for all our home games. Sorry, Rhode Island at the DCU, the Ryan or anywhere does not move the needle very much as evidenced by attendance at the game at the DCU and lack of media attention outside of New England. It's not URI that is the issue. It's the current apathy towards the HC program that is the problem, which has resulted in our consistent lack of success for a decade now, minus "five games in March". "Three-time-defending Patriot League Champion and Top-100 ranked Holy Cross" would draw far more than 2,500 at the DCU Center.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 10, 2018 21:23:27 GMT -5
Agree. I was borderline shocked at how many URI fans were there (they got the good seats, by the way). A former colleague of mine showed up because he has a daughter on the Ramettes and another daughter also joined him.
No way URI plays HC in the Hart Center until and if we get a couple of PL championships under our belt and a higher ranking.
I recall RW talking about PC offering 2 for 1 but the one has to be at DCU OR 2 "pay games" at their place. I had a connection of a co-worker who was dating the PC scheduler who confirmed. No Hart games! And that was with Ralph's teams.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 11, 2018 3:47:48 GMT -5
I recall RW talking about PC offering 2 for 1 but the one has to be at DCU OR 2 "pay games" at their place. I had a connection of a co-worker who was dating the PC scheduler who confirmed. No Hart games! And that was with Ralph's teams. It was because they were still spooked by the image of Derek Farkas raining down a three over Eric Murdock, and losing despite HC playing the last 6-7 minutes without their backcourt starters after they fouled out. Listening to Joey Hassett complaining about the refs on their post game show always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 11, 2018 8:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 11, 2018 8:47:16 GMT -5
I bet we could get Coach Carm’s alma mater to visit the Hart Center ....Just like Tommy A. did !
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 11, 2018 9:02:47 GMT -5
mm67, often the issue is timing. The last number of times we played URI, and frankly we probably didn't have a lot of interest playing them before, the Rams were led by Danny Hurley, who turned their program around and, I believe for awhile was nationally ranked. PC historically was the big dog in the Rhode Island basketball pound but for a short stint, URI was better, or at least competitive with PC.
So while we were trying to upgrade our schedule, URI was on the ascendancy. Despite what Rhode Islanders think, URI is "local" for Holy Cross, an easy bus ride. And since PC got sniffy about playing the likes of HC, we had URI and Brown to play, the latter being home and home.
And, of course, URI is in a "better" league. Right now, we are negotiating from a position of weakness unless and until we can get to the level of Bucknell.
We should not ever get into a holier than thou mode as I have heard other HC basketball coaches talk about not playing certain teams because if we win,"so what," but if we lose, "why did you play those guys?"
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Post by gks on Dec 11, 2018 9:08:56 GMT -5
mm67, often the issue is timing. The last number of times we played URI, and frankly we probably didn't have a lot of interest playing them before, the Rams were led by Danny Hurley, who turned their program around and, I believe for awhile was nationally ranked. PC historically was the big dog in the Rhode Island basketball pound but for a short stint, URI was better, or at least competitive with PC. So while we were trying to upgrade our schedule, URI was on the ascendancy. Despite what Rhode Islanders think, URI is "local" for Holy Cross, an easy bus ride. And since PC got sniffy about playing the likes of HC, we had URI and Brown to play, the latter being home and home. And, of course, URI is in a "better" league. Right now, we are negotiating from a position of weakness unless and until we can get to the level of Bucknell. We should not ever get into a holier than thou mode as I have heard other HC basketball coaches talk about not playing certain teams because if we win,"so what," but if we lose, "why did you play those guys?" Yet another example of how the Patriot League hurts. Whether reality or not the PL is looked down upon by almost every other league in NCAA. A10 teams have the juice to dictate terms against PL. Want to play them you have to play by their rules and demands. I think it's ridiculous but that's the way it is.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 11, 2018 9:23:17 GMT -5
Those games were 8 and 11 years ago. And in Boston.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 11, 2018 9:56:55 GMT -5
Those games were 8 and 11 years ago. And in Boston. And maybe just MAYBE there was some kind of coaching connection between the two schools (referring to Michigan game). Just a theory. Remember ND was COMING to the DCU had we not fired Kearney after one season.
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Post by gks on Dec 11, 2018 11:01:07 GMT -5
I assume that we are trying to build up a fan base in Worcester by scheduling a game against a higher level, local school (URI). Plainly, the plan failed as the game attracted few people from Worcester. A Worcesterite once told me that there is a disconnect between HC and Worcester as HC stays pretty much to itself hidden on its campus behind its enclosed fence. He felt that there was a bit of condescension on the part of the school and its students as HC looked down on Worcester from its perch "high up" on Mt. St.James. I was informed that many in Worcester dislike the Cross or at the very least felt no connection at all to the school. Many in the area could not care less about HC. I replied that it wasn't always so but was reminded that it took NCAA/NIT championship teams and a top flight football team in the '30's - '50's to bring people to the games. Those days are long gone, never to return and as many have reported on this board, there is so much more for people to do. Are relations between HC and our community in such a bad state? I agree that we should be at the same level as Bucknell. I read that their gym seats around 4,000. Does Bucknell play any of the "big boys" on campus? LoveHC As a Central Mass local...I wouldn't say relations between HC and the community aren't bad but that there is a sense of disconnect between the two. Unfortunately it's not coming back quickly. Best shot is through football. Most people in the area know who Chesney is. He is and will be an asset.
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Post by rf1 on Dec 11, 2018 11:01:27 GMT -5
Purely out of curiosity, I checked both the AP Poll and Coaches Poll to see the rankings of the college basketball teams. Rhode Island is not ranked in the top 25 nor named as a team receiving any votes in either poll. So, what is the "big deal" in playing Rhode Island? They are not nationally ranked and they definitely do not have a large national foot print in basketball. They are not a traditional rival and have little if anything in common with HC. Obviously, they are superior to HC in basketball this year but IMO, scheduling games against Rhode Island is no big deal. They want to dictate terms of engagement? Tell 'em to stick it ... In other words, who cares about playing against Rhode Island? I certainly don't! LoveHC
Where was all the outrage about playing at the DCU Center two seasons ago versus UMass with the same series contract arrangement? Crowd between two MA schools on a weekend only had 3,591 in 2016. Since Calipari left Amherst some 20 years ago, URI has had a more successful program than UMass. What other out of state opponent has brought a crowd of nearly a thousand fans to a Holy Cross game in Worcester in recent memory?
URI being superior to Holy Cross in basketball this season is not out of the recent norm. Rhody has had superior teams in nearly all seasons going back the last 30 years. It has been more an exception that the Crusaders have had the better overall team (despite even getting to the NCAA some years).
URI won the A-10 regular season crown last year, was ranked for the last 1/3 of the season, and won a first round NCAA game. The year before they were ranked a few weeks early in the season and then later won the A-10 Tournament and also won a first round NCAA game.
URI has been among the top leaders for men's basketball attendance in New England for much of the the last 20 years. Only PC and UConn drew more last year.
URI is in the A-10 which for the last three decades has nearly always gotten at large bids and sent multiple teams to the NCAA Tournament each season. Holy Cross is a member of the Patriot League which has never merited an at large invite as all participants were via the lone conference automatic bid.
As a point of reference, since 1988 URI and Holy Cross have had the following postseason resumes:
NCAA URI: 7 appearances / 5 at large invites / Record of 8-7 / 1st rd wins 5 / Sweet-16 & Elite-8 / Notable Tourney Wins over Missouri, Syracuse, Purdue, Kansas, Creighton, and Oklahoma
Holy Cross: 6 appearances / 0 at large invites-all automatic bids / Record of 1-6 / Play-in round wins 1 / Notable Tourney Wins over none
NIT URI: 8 appearances / 8 at large invites / Record of 11-8 / First Round wins 7 / MSG Final-4 1 / Notable Tourney Wins over Vanderbilt, BC, Seton Hall, Va Tech, Northwestern, and Nevada
Holy Cross: 2 appearances / 2 at large invites / Record of 1-2 / First rounds wins 1 / Notable Tourney Win over Notre Dame
NCAA & NIT Post Season Record URI: 19-15 Holy Cross: 2-8
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Post by bison137 on Dec 11, 2018 11:13:58 GMT -5
I agree that we should be at the same level as Bucknell. I read that their gym seats around 4,000. Does Bucknell play any of the "big boys" on campus? Depends on what your definition of a "big boy" is. Over the past 13 years, teams that have played in Sojka include: Villanova (once) - Jay Wright connection Wake Forest (twice) Penn State (1) La Salle (3 times) Richmond (3 ) Saint Joseph's St. Bonaventure Northern Iowa Ball State Ohio U Geroge Mason Old Dominion Sojka has a seating capacity of 4000 but can accommodate a lot more with standing room. The Villanova game had an official attendance of 4433 but an actual attendance closer to 4700. Lewisburg fire wardens have banned them from allowing that many in the future. Their wrestling match vs Penn State two weeks ago drew 4279 plus a few more who sneaked in.
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Dec 11, 2018 11:17:07 GMT -5
[/quote]As a Central Mass local...I wouldn't say relations between HC and the community aren't bad but that there is a sense of disconnect between the two. Unfortunately it's not coming back quickly.
Best shot is through football. Most people in the area know who Chesney is. He is and will be an asset.[/quote]
I don’t think there is a dislike of HC in Worcester or central Mass, more like indifference. Growing up in the area it was common when I was young to see Holy Cross shirts, sweatpants, and bumper stickers everywhere. Part of it was the sports program and part of it was the pride, especially amongst the Irish community in the area of the school. Now I think people really don’t think about Holy Cross anymore. There are very few people like myself that cherish the memories of a great tailgate at Fitton with family and friends or a crazy crowd at the Hart in the 70’s and 80’s. It’s too bad, I always feel like Holy Cross sports is a sleeping giant in Worcester County and beyond.
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Post by rickii on Dec 11, 2018 11:23:11 GMT -5
I bet we could get Coach Carm’s alma mater to visit the Hart Center ....Just like Tommy A. did ! C'mon pp....you're better than this....an analogy to Haaaaved - really ?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 11, 2018 11:28:16 GMT -5
Good point about hiring Chesney and getting the second benefit of a positive local image free. That's how I shop: B.O.G.O.
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Post by rf1 on Dec 11, 2018 11:39:11 GMT -5
I agree that we should be at the same level as Bucknell. I read that their gym seats around 4,000. Does Bucknell play any of the "big boys" on campus? Depends on what your definition of a "big boy" is. Over the past 13 years, teams that have played in Sojka include: Villanova (once) - Jay Wright connection Wake Forest (twice) Penn State (1) La Salle (3 times) Richmond (3 ) Saint Joseph's St. Bonaventure Northern Iowa Ball State Ohio U Geroge Mason Old Dominion Sojka has a seating capacity of 4000 but can accommodate a lot more with standing room. The Villanova game had an official attendance of 4433 but an actual attendance closer to 4700. Lewisburg fire wardens have banned them from allowing that many in the future. Their wrestling match vs Penn State two weeks ago drew 4279 plus a few more who sneaked in. Bucknell also plays in a modern venue that was opened in 2003. It also has no larger venue located anywhere near it that could be another alternative.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 11, 2018 11:54:26 GMT -5
I bet we could get Coach Carm’s alma mater to visit the Hart Center ....Just like Tommy A. did ! C'mon pp....you're better than this....an analogy to Haaaaved - really ?
An analogy to a 'dinky' arena. Then there is UPenn with Villanova visiting tonight. On Dec 4 at 7PM,, UPenn hosted the "U" at the Palestra, and beat the 'canes rather handly. Attendance was 3,019. On Nov 9, Rice @ UPenn drew 2256; on Nov 13, Lafayette @ UPenn drew 2,062. (UPenn has 3.5x the number of undergraduates as HC.) Course the Palestra is by no means a dinky venue. UPenn played @ LaSalle on Dec 8. Attendance was 1203. Is this a reflection of slackening interest in Big Five hoops?
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Post by rf1 on Dec 11, 2018 12:00:31 GMT -5
Obviously, URI is a stronger program than HC. The A10 is far superior to the PL. Who cares? No offense meant but URI is not a ranked team and just does not have any juice outside of New England. Most don't care about URI and the A10 for that matter as evidenced by the recent low turnout at the DCU. HC went up a step or two and played URI at the DCU in order to try to generate local fan interest in the team and the effort failed miserably. URI was not a draw in Worcester. (nor was HC but that was expected.) Maybe, HC would draw bigger crowds at the DCU if we had better, more competitive teams similar to Bucknell. My point was that HC as a lower mid-level team gains little/nothing by playing URI at the DCU. HC has to produce better teams to draw bigger crowds at the Hart or at the DCU. Was it worth the effort to play URI at the DCU? I guess so if that is what the admin. wanted to do for the aforementioned reason. My guess is that HC will continue to try to improve its program and possibly build interest in Worcester by playing better teams if necessary at the DCU - BC, UMass , St. John's, URI or one of the "big boys." I prefer on campus games at the Hart which evidently is impossible against bigger programs. I treasure the on-campus experience for the students. I wish nothing but the best especially during this Christmas season to my fellow alum, rf1. LoveHC
I get that you would like to see higher profile programs than URI. The scheduling reality is you are very likely never going to get them to Worcester, even with offers of playing at the DCU Center. For evidence of this, ask your self when was the last time Holy Cross got two of its oldest nearby rivals (BC and PC) to play in Worcester? If you cannot even get other similar local Catholic schools that you share so much history with, how can you reasonably expect other schools from the P5 and BE to come?
As for the low turnout, that is on Holy Cross for failing to build a local fanbase and heavily promoting the game. It should be noted that nearly half the crowd of some two thousand that was at the DCU Center on Saturday were RI supporters. I sat at midcourt in a comp seats section reserved for Holy Cross administration employees. Most all the seats in the first two rows of this section were empty as the school's own employees apparently were not interested enough in attending.
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Post by trimster on Dec 11, 2018 12:23:31 GMT -5
Obviously, URI is a stronger program than HC. The A10 is far superior to the PL. Who cares? No offense meant but URI is not a ranked team and just does not have any juice outside of New England. Most don't care about URI and the A10 for that matter as evidenced by the recent low turnout at the DCU. HC went up a step or two and played URI at the DCU in order to try to generate local fan interest in the team and the effort failed miserably. URI was not a draw in Worcester. (nor was HC but that was expected.) Maybe, HC would draw bigger crowds at the DCU if we had better, more competitive teams similar to Bucknell. My point was that HC as a lower mid-level team gains little/nothing by playing URI at the DCU. HC has to produce better teams to draw bigger crowds at the Hart or at the DCU. Was it worth the effort to play URI at the DCU? I guess so if that is what the admin. wanted to do for the aforementioned reason. My guess is that HC will continue to try to improve its program and possibly build interest in Worcester by playing better teams at the DCU. I prefer all home games on - campus games at the Hart. I treasure the on-campus experience for the students. Bucknell has attracted higher level teams to play on campus at the Sojka because Bucknell has had excellent teams. Why can't HC do the same, namely build good teams and attract higher level teams to play at the Hart? Build good teams and they will come as Bucknell has proven. I wish nothing but the best especially during this Christmas season to my fellow alum, rf1. LoveHC As a follower and supporter of HC hoops since the mid 1960's, I care and 2100 fans in an arena against a good opponent on a Saturday afternoon is a disgrace. You say URI doesn't have any juice outside NE. That is debatable but HC doesn't have any juice on its own campus, never mind Central Mass.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 12, 2018 6:45:53 GMT -5
With respect to Holy Cross and Worcester, the early editions (late 1970's) of the Yale newspaper's Insiders Guide to Colleges made particular reference (at the top of the descriptive narrative) to HC having fenced itself off from Worcester, the implication being that students at HC didn't have to deal with Worcester. That was the perception forty years ago.
More so on the old board than the present one, when a thread mentioned that the city of Worcester was proposing having colleges make voluntary payments in lieu of taxes (called PILT or PILOT) howls of protest from posters ensued.
Worcester city has a population of 185,000. roughly 140,000 are ages 25 or older. Thirty percent of those 25 or older have a baccalaureate degree, or about 40,000 people. HC's alumni base is about 38,000, I daresay that if ten percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester County, that would be really remarkable. But for the sake of argument, let's assume five percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester city, or about 2,000 alumni. That also means there are 38,000 graduates of other colleges and universities living in Worcester city who have little or no affiliation or association with Holy Cross. Why would any of these 38,000 find themselves at Fitton Field, the Hart, or the DCU, cheering for HC?
For the first half of the 20th Century, Worcester was a blue collar town, so lacking any educational affinity with any of Worcester's colleges and universities, these blue collar workers gravitated to supporting HC athletic programs. And in that era, college football and basketball had more appeal than their professional counterparts.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 12, 2018 7:34:27 GMT -5
But for the sake of argument, let's assume five percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester city, or about 2,000 alumni. That also means there are 38,000 graduates of other colleges and universities living in Worcester city who have little or no affiliation or association with Holy Cross. Why would any of these 38,000 find themselves at Fitton Field, the Hart, or the DCU, cheering for HC? For the first half of the 20th Century, Worcester was a blue collar town, so lacking any educational affinity with any of Worcester's colleges and universities, these blue collar workers gravitated to supporting HC athletic programs. And in that era, college football and basketball had more appeal than their professional counterparts. Why don’t you ask NAD?? I live in Connecticut, and full disclosure, I work for the State and absolutely hate UConn. For much of the first third of my life, during the sixties and most of the 70s, no one in Connecticut gave two sh*t$ about UConn. Football at Alumni Firld and hoops at the Field house were sparsely attended. They joined the Big East, had some success, and presto!, everyone, and I mean most everyone in Connecticut, regardless of where they went to college, is a UConn fan. You would be amazed at how many obituaries list among the deceased’s hobbies their passion for UConn basketball. Top flight competition and winning will do that. I still hate UConn, btw!
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Post by gks on Dec 12, 2018 7:37:55 GMT -5
With respect to Holy Cross and Worcester, the early editions (late 1970's) of the Yale newspaper's Insiders Guide to Colleges made particular reference (at the top of the descriptive narrative) to HC having fenced itself off from Worcester, the implication being that students at HC didn't have to deal with Worcester. That was the perception forty years ago. More so on the old board than the present one, when a thread mentioned that the city of Worcester was proposing having colleges make voluntary payments in lieu of taxes (called PILT or PILOT) howls of protest from posters ensued. Worcester city has a population of 185,000. roughly 140,000 are ages 25 or older. Thirty percent of those 25 or older have a baccalaureate degree, or about 40,000 people. HC's alumni base is about 38,000, I daresay that if ten percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester County, that would be really remarkable. But for the sake of argument, let's assume five percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester city, or about 2,000 alumni. That also means there are 38,000 graduates of other colleges and universities living in Worcester city who have little or no affiliation or association with Holy Cross. Why would any of these 38,000 find themselves at Fitton Field, the Hart, or the DCU, cheering for HC? For the first half of the 20th Century, Worcester was a blue collar town, so lacking any educational affinity with any of Worcester's colleges and universities, these blue collar workers gravitated to supporting HC athletic programs. And in that era, college football and basketball had more appeal than their professional counterparts. So I guess only alumni of BC or PC or UConn go to their games? This post makes absolutely no sense. Even the simple, blue collar people of Worcester and Central Massachusetts think this is silly.
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Post by alum on Dec 12, 2018 8:06:13 GMT -5
But for the sake of argument, let's assume five percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester city, or about 2,000 alumni. That also means there are 38,000 graduates of other colleges and universities living in Worcester city who have little or no affiliation or association with Holy Cross. Why would any of these 38,000 find themselves at Fitton Field, the Hart, or the DCU, cheering for HC? For the first half of the 20th Century, Worcester was a blue collar town, so lacking any educational affinity with any of Worcester's colleges and universities, these blue collar workers gravitated to supporting HC athletic programs. And in that era, college football and basketball had more appeal than their professional counterparts. Why don’t you ask NAD?? I live in Connecticut, and full disclosure, I work for the State and absolutely hate UConn. For much of the first third of my life, during the sixties and most of the 70s, no one in Connecticut gave two sh*t$ about UConn. Football at Alumni Firld and hoops at the Field house were sparsely attended. They joined the Big East, had some success, and presto!, everyone, and I mean most everyone in Connecticut, regardless of where they went to college, is a UConn fan. You would be amazed at how many obituaries list among the deceased’s hobbies their passion for UConn basketball. Top flight competition and winning will do that. I still hate UConn, btw! I think you are generally right here, although I would say that people in Eastern Connecticut (Willimantic and Norwich areas) cared quite a bit more than the rest of state during the 70's. These people lived within 30 minutes of campus. The university was one of the largest employers in the region and everyone would have known people who worked there. The local papers in both of those towns had beat reporters who covered the team home and away. Those were, and still are, blue collar areas. I think that they supported UConn like Worcester people once supported HC. The creation of the Big East made UConn a statewide sensation. I became a UConn basketball fan in the mid 70's because Joey Whelton was from my hometown. Nevertheless, I remember going back to my room and calling home to gloat after HC beat the Huskies in 1982 and 1984. I watched and enjoyed UConn through the Big East era. In recent years, I have to admit that I really haven't cared that much.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 12, 2018 8:13:51 GMT -5
With respect to Holy Cross and Worcester, the early editions (late 1970's) of the Yale newspaper's Insiders Guide to Colleges made particular reference (at the top of the descriptive narrative) to HC having fenced itself off from Worcester, the implication being that students at HC didn't have to deal with Worcester. That was the perception forty years ago. More so on the old board than the present one, when a thread mentioned that the city of Worcester was proposing having colleges make voluntary payments in lieu of taxes (called PILT or PILOT) howls of protest from posters ensued. Worcester city has a population of 185,000. roughly 140,000 are ages 25 or older. Thirty percent of those 25 or older have a baccalaureate degree, or about 40,000 people. HC's alumni base is about 38,000, I daresay that if ten percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester County, that would be really remarkable. But for the sake of argument, let's assume five percent of the HC alumni base lives in Worcester city, or about 2,000 alumni. That also means there are 38,000 graduates of other colleges and universities living in Worcester city who have little or no affiliation or association with Holy Cross. Why would any of these 38,000 find themselves at Fitton Field, the Hart, or the DCU, cheering for HC? For the first half of the 20th Century, Worcester was a blue collar town, so lacking any educational affinity with any of Worcester's colleges and universities, these blue collar workers gravitated to supporting HC athletic programs. And in that era, college football and basketball had more appeal than their professional counterparts. So I guess only alumni of BC or PC or UConn go to their games? This post makes absolutely no sense. Even the simple, blue collar people of Worcester and Central Massachusetts think this is silly. How many graduates of HC regularly attend BC, PC, or UConn games? I have a nephew who didn't attend BC, but who, for several seasons, bought 4-6 season tickets for BC hoops when BC jumped to the ACC. But those were seats bought for business entertainment purposes. With respect to UConn, the excerpt below is from UConn's application to join the Big12. The conference asked each applicant a detailed set of questions, one of which was potential level of alumni support. Source uconn.edu/content/uploads/2016/10/Response-to-Big-12-Due-Diligence.pdfFor other material submitted to the Big12 see: uconn.edu/public-notification/big-12/#For a one-page graphic on UConn's assessment of its media market, see: uconn.edu/content/uploads/2016/10/Media-Market.pdf
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Post by gks on Dec 12, 2018 8:22:57 GMT -5
So I guess only alumni of BC or PC or UConn go to their games? This post makes absolutely no sense. Even the simple, blue collar people of Worcester and Central Massachusetts think this is silly. How many graduates of HC regularly attend BC, PC, or UConn games? I have a nephew who didn't attend BC, but who, for several seasons, bought 4-6 season tickets for BC hoops when BC jumped to the ACC. But those were seats bought for business entertainment purposes. With respect to UConn, the excerpt below is from UConn's application to join the Big12. The conference asked each applicant a detailed set of questions, one of which was potential level of alumni support. Source uconn.edu/content/uploads/2016/10/Response-to-Big-12-Due-Diligence.pdfFor other material submitted to the Big12 see: uconn.edu/public-notification/big-12/#By your logic then only parents should attend Worcester Bravehearts games... If you live in Worcester or Central Mass it's pretty simple. Holy Cross de-emphasized sports in the 80s. The fans back then gradually de-emphasized their support for the athletic program. The children of those fans grew up with declining interest in Holy Cross. Now you have the result. Has nothing to do with alumni base and giving.
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