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Post by rgs318 on Dec 13, 2018 12:13:14 GMT -5
It is inconceivable to me that more students are not supporting this basketball team. The team is very good and fun to watch. Maybe that walk up the hill is too daunting. When I lived in Worcester, I attended almost every game and I am not a HC grad. And I’m just spitballing here but quite a few of them have their own practices and games given the small enrollment and number of varsity athletes. Some don’t care about athletics and are not impressed with athletes. Some see no social reason to attend. Many are up to the ears in school work. And yes, some are too lazy to walk up the hill in the cold when the warm glow of an iPhone is close by. Continued winning will help and a home game for the PL Championship will turn the tide. That is a major point Joe. HC schedules many things right up against varsity sports competition in the hill. In a local analogy, one high school Bogots has a member of the board of education make a proposal to the board to drop football (this was years ago before internet competition) because of low fan support. He said that at the last home game there were only 23 students in the stands but the school had an enrollment far move that. The AD (having gotten a heads up) was her with some interesting statistics. On the day of the game, there were also cross country faces (boys and girls) some distance away from the school, an away boys soccer game, a chess tournament, and a debate team competition. There were also the students on the team and in the marching band. He added all of them together (along with the number of kids out sick on Friday) he showed were were only 50 students unaccounted for...and most of them ware actually at the game. The board dropped the suggestion. Bogota sill fields a competitive football team in the small school division.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 13, 2018 12:26:31 GMT -5
It is inconceivable to me that more students are not supporting this basketball team. The team is very good and fun to watch. Maybe that walk up the hill is too daunting. When I lived in Worcester, I attended almost every game and I am not a HC grad. And I’m just spitballing here but quite a few of them have their own practices and games given the small enrollment and number of varsity athletes. Some don’t care about athletics and are not impressed with athletes. Some see no social reason to attend. Many are up to the ears in school work. And yes, some are too lazy to walk up the hill in the cold when the warm glow of an iPhone is close by. Continued winning will help and a home game for the PL Championship will turn the tide. I think you are on to something. We are a smallish and progressive school that participates in a large number of D-1 sports. I have a sense that the non-varsity athletes populating HC nowadays are not too interested in watching sports.
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Post by joe on Dec 13, 2018 12:29:39 GMT -5
Right, so filling venues will not happen by focusing on the student population and "school spirit" issues. This isn't 1957 where there are letterman jackets and bonfires and pep rallies. Even if every non-football student at Holy Cross brought their parents and family dog to a football game, you would still only fill about 1/3 of the stands at Fitton Field. As stated before, attendance can only increase by drawing actual SPORTS FANS from Worcester County who see HC as their local team, and this could only happen by winning regularly, whether that be dominating the PL or figuring out a way to not only upgrade to a better conference, but to actually compete within that conference. Being only a doormat in the A10, for example, will decrease attendance, in my opinion. So under the blanket of "winning" comes a host of other things that need to get done to make it happen.
And for what it's worth, HC does pretty well attendance wise for a small school in the NE, both in football and basketball.
And also for what it's worth, HC wins 20 games this year and clinches an NCAA invite at home in the PLC, standing room only, gets a 14 seed, and goes to the second round.
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Post by DiMarz on Dec 13, 2018 15:49:20 GMT -5
This list shows how few people attend games these days! It's not just a HC thing these days..
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 13, 2018 16:41:22 GMT -5
This list shows how few people attend games these days! It's not just a HC thing these days.. Whats kind of Frustrating is The Bravehearts- Future League Baseball The Mass Pirates- Arena Football The Worcester 78's - Basketball The Railers- ECHL hockey The Shame is that the College games makes very single of those teams look mediocre at best. Basically its low Minor League teams. Soon to be Pautucket They all seem to have some fan support. How did those start up teams draw any fans? Promoting.
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Post by rf1 on Dec 17, 2018 12:05:02 GMT -5
This list shows how few people attend games these days! It's not just a HC thing these days..
Since much of this thread concerns attendance in the New England region:
There was a decent turnout yesterday on an NFL Sunday as Mohegan Sun Arena had a crowd of 5,812 on hand to see the HOF Showcase. The men's college basketball triple-header featured URI-West Virginia, Dayton-Tulsa, and Drexel-Quinnipiac. Most of the crowd was there to see Game 1 which pitted the Rams and Mountaineers. Nearly all of them departed after this game as the rest of the teams did not have much fan support in CT which was not surprising given the majority of the field (4 of 6 teams) was from outside New England.
I thought it was a good sized showing given it was up against NFL games on a Sunday and was not part of any season ticket package.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 20, 2018 0:14:18 GMT -5
Great attendance stats PP. It appears Bobby Valentine, as AD of Sacred Heart is having the same luck with attendance as he had as Manager of the Red Sox. I checked their website to make sure he was still AD and noticed SH has even more varsity sports than HC does, plus many club sports.
SH moved up from D-2, so it appears they have fully embraced offering D-1 athletic participation as broadly as possible as part of their college experience...and the fans are yawning just as broadly.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2018 16:04:06 GMT -5
Another view of Worcester’s team
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Post by hopjim on Dec 27, 2018 12:03:42 GMT -5
I find this ongoing discussion of what league HC should be in foolish and ill-informed. Men's basketball has not had an interesting team in many years. Schools like Bucknell that reach out to the community and students have a consistent fan base. When my children were growing up (2001-2010), the team had a personality and was in the press. It was an exciting and inexpensive night or afternoon out and we went to Hart 5-8 times a year. I don't remember a single discussion about what league we were in. For the most part, fans go to see the team and school. As a footnote, while I have gone to more than 75 HC mens basketball games, I have not received an email or notice of upcoming games in several years. I have gone to 2 Boston U games and get notices of all events with summary of players and team. Apart from the Board, there is little being done to engage the students and community and create a personality that attracts interest.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2018 12:08:23 GMT -5
Your points are well founded, hopjim. This HC team has a personality and is fun to watch (and, at times, frustrating as they blow chip shots). I hope more folks come and experience this group as the season goes on. If HC can start with some solid wins leading into the first game with Bucknell, that would certainly help.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 27, 2018 12:16:02 GMT -5
If fans can’t get excited about watching Jehyve Floyd play basketball I don’t think we can help them...
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 27, 2018 13:41:44 GMT -5
If fans can’t get excited about watching Jehyve Floyd play basketball I don’t think we can help them... I have been telling everyone who will listen that there is nothing in sports that is more exciting than watching him stand around the perimeter and throw bounce passes to guards. I kid, I kid!
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2018 19:54:17 GMT -5
If fans can’t get excited about watching Jehyve Floyd play basketball I don’t think we can help them... Totally agree a unique talent Cannot recall a similarly skilled and athletic player in the last 55 years for HC
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Post by HC92 on Dec 27, 2018 20:11:23 GMT -5
Jehyve has been an inspiration to my second son who is a center. He now loves to play in the high post and feed his teammates making backdoor cuts. His team also has an offensive set called “Jehyve.” They also play “Holy Cross” (a halfcourt 1-3-1) and “Saders” (a more aggressive, 3/4 court 1-3-1).
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2018 20:15:52 GMT -5
Who is the coach of this squad ? Can this team spell Jehyve ?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 27, 2018 20:35:17 GMT -5
I find this ongoing discussion of what league HC should be in foolish and ill-informed. Men's basketball has not had an interesting team in many years. Schools like Bucknell that reach out to the community and students have a consistent fan base. When my children were growing up (2001-2010), the team had a personality and was in the press. It was an exciting and inexpensive night or afternoon out and we went to Hart 5-8 times a year. I don't remember a single discussion about what league we were in. For the most part, fans go to see the team and school. As a footnote, while I have gone to more than 75 HC mens basketball games, I have not received an email or notice of upcoming games in several years. I have gone to 2 Boston U games and get notices of all events with summary of players and team. Apart from the Board, there is little being done to engage the students and community and create a personality that attracts interest. I did not attend HC but grew up in Worcester rooting for them since the late 50's. I get emails about all the upcoming games (men and women) and other newsworthy events (like Jehyve being POW). I have no idea why.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 27, 2018 20:37:25 GMT -5
I get them regularly as well...but that may be because I have made donations in the past.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 27, 2018 20:38:49 GMT -5
If fans can’t get excited about watching Jehyve Floyd play basketball I don’t think we can help them... Totally agree a unique talent Cannot recall a similarly skilled and athletic player in the last 55 years for HC Not 55, ever, but Rob Feaster was close.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2018 20:43:31 GMT -5
Feaster was a very athletic scorer, drive or shoot—primarily an offensive player. Jehyve is a shot blocking, inside finisher who has developed into a passer, also very athletic. As the award said, the PL defensive player of the year. Very, very different.
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Post by possum on Dec 27, 2018 20:46:22 GMT -5
Jehyve is truly a unique player in that he can't shoot from more than 3 feet from the basket but still finds a way to contribute offensively and is truly dominant on the defensive side of the ball. The staff has done a great job utilizing his skills but we should also thank Coach Brown for the going away present as he recognized JF's potential and brought him on board. I don't think there's anyway BC would ever recruit a player that cannot shoot the ball.
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 27, 2018 20:48:53 GMT -5
If fans can’t get excited about watching Jehyve Floyd play basketball I don’t think we can help them... Totally agree a unique talent Cannot recall a similarly skilled and athletic player in the last 55 years for HC I would say that Chris Potter was more skilled but less athletic than JF, and that Michael Vicens was every bit JF’s equal. If I were assembling a team, the order of my picks would be Potter first, Vicens second and Floyd third. That would be a pretty good start!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 27, 2018 20:54:19 GMT -5
I find this ongoing discussion of what league HC should be in foolish and ill-informed. Men's basketball has not had an interesting team in many years. Schools like Bucknell that reach out to the community and students have a consistent fan base. When my children were growing up (2001-2010), the team had a personality and was in the press. It was an exciting and inexpensive night or afternoon out and we went to Hart 5-8 times a year. I don't remember a single discussion about what league we were in. For the most part, fans go to see the team and school. As a footnote, while I have gone to more than 75 HC mens basketball games, I have not received an email or notice of upcoming games in several years. I have gone to 2 Boston U games and get notices of all events with summary of players and team. Apart from the Board, there is little being done to engage the students and community and create a personality that attracts interest. Have you ever provided your email when buying tix in the last few years? If not, they have no way of sending you info. If subscribe here, you'll get an initial email from HC athletics from which you you can choose whatever sports/topics/promos you wish to receive regular info about. www.goholycross.com/main/NewsMailSetup.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=33100
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Post by hchoops on Dec 27, 2018 20:56:48 GMT -5
Chris Potter was a multi skilled offensive and defensive player. He was not a speedster or a leaper, but he had many other athletic skills—anticipation, quick hands, quick feet, etc Mike was very athletic-speed, jumping, but had more offensive skills than Jehyve. Agree with the order of picks. And I believe that Jehyve will continue to improve significantly as he keeps playing
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Post by unhfan on Dec 27, 2018 21:43:05 GMT -5
As pro sports have erupted in New England and the Northeast can any college in the area ever be their cities team again?
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Post by HC92 on Dec 27, 2018 21:48:46 GMT -5
Who is the coach of this squad ? Can this team spell Jehyve ? I coach. My son names the plays. Trying to talk my wife into naming the dog we’re getting “Jehyve.” Not going as well as the boys and I had hoped. To be fair, the dog is going to be a girl.
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