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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 27, 2018 21:59:30 GMT -5
As pro sports have erupted in New England and the Northeast can any college in the area ever be their cities team again? As far as large cities go, PC hoop is definitely "Providence's team"
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 27, 2018 22:29:39 GMT -5
Generational talent in a scheme that has him only two shots clear of 5th on the team in FG attempts, averaging 8.6 PPG, and getting under 2 ORebs per game.
Oh well!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 27, 2018 22:50:51 GMT -5
Yet another thread off the rails of the topic...
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Post by hc87 on Dec 27, 2018 23:32:09 GMT -5
As pro sports have erupted in New England and the Northeast can any college in the area ever be their cities team again? I don't think the Northeast was evah really fertile ground for fan support of college athletics (as opposed to the Midwest and South anyway). The largest cities on the Eastern corridor (Boston, NYC, Philly and DC) have mostly always been "pro cities" with smatterings of support here and there: BC football in the 1940s through the 1980s or so, NYC was a college hoop mecca but the gambling scandals in the 1950s sort of stamped that out, Big 5 hoop in Philly to an extent etc but they all mostly played 2nd fiddle to professional sports in those cities from WW2 on imo. It's mostly been the secondary cities in the Northeast (Providence, Worcester, Syracuse etc) that had the closest ties between the schools and the cities from the WW2 era or so to (in some cases) current day. Holy Cross very much had the opportunity to be "Worcester's Team" (or to continue to be so) much like PC and Syracuse are still today...but we decided we weren't in the entertainment biz anymore.
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Post by Tom on Dec 28, 2018 9:08:37 GMT -5
As a footnote, while I have gone to more than 75 HC mens basketball games, I have not received an email or notice of upcoming games in several years. I have gone to 2 Boston U games and get notices of all events with summary of players and team. Apart from the Board, there is little being done to engage the students and community and create a personality that attracts interest. By any chance, did you buy your BU tickets on-line, while always purchasing HC tix at gate? I find that if you walk up to a gym and buy a ticket at the window, you don't get on any E-mail list. That would apply to BU as well as HC. On the other hand, if you buy on line, they have your E-mail address. If you have purchased single game HC tickets on line and aren't getting marketing about big games etc then, shame on HC I have football and basketball season tickets. They ask for my E-mail on the application. I get some E-mails, but not a reminder for every game
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Post by unhfan on Dec 28, 2018 9:38:51 GMT -5
As pro sports have erupted in New England and the Northeast can any college in the area ever be their cities team again? I don't think the Northeast was evah really fertile ground for fan support of college athletics (as opposed to the Midwest and South anyway). The largest cities on the Eastern corridor (Boston, NYC, Philly and DC) have mostly always been "pro cities" with smatterings of support here and there: BC football in the 1940s through the 1980s or so, NYC was a college hoop mecca but the gambling scandals in the 1950s sort of stamped that out, Big 5 hoop in Philly to an extent etc but they all mostly played 2nd fiddle to professional sports in those cities from WW2 on imo. It's mostly been the secondary cities in the Northeast (Providence, Worcester, Syracuse etc) that had the closest ties between the schools and the cities from the WW2 era or so to (in some cases) current day. Holy Cross very much had the opportunity to be "Worcester's Team" (or to continue to be so) much like PC and Syracuse are still today...but we decided we weren't in the entertainment biz anymore. There has to be a time to let go of what you can’t change! Only focus on the future!
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Post by Tom on Dec 28, 2018 9:45:05 GMT -5
As pro sports have erupted in New England and the Northeast can any college in the area ever be their cities team again? I don't think the Northeast was evah really fertile ground for fan support of college athletics (as opposed to the Midwest and South anyway). The largest cities on the Eastern corridor (Boston, NYC, Philly and DC) have mostly always been "pro cities" with smatterings of support here and there: BC football in the 1940s through the 1980s or so, NYC was a college hoop mecca but the gambling scandals in the 1950s sort of stamped that out, Big 5 hoop in Philly to an extent etc but they all mostly played 2nd fiddle to professional sports in those cities from WW2 on imo. It's mostly been the secondary cities in the Northeast (Providence, Worcester, Syracuse etc) that had the closest ties between the schools and the cities from the WW2 era or so to (in some cases) current day. Holy Cross very much had the opportunity to be "Worcester's Team" (or to continue to be so) much like PC and Syracuse are still today...but we decided we weren't in the entertainment biz anymore. - The northeast has major cities all over the place. I go 450 miles (yes a long way) and I have Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore and Washington DC. That's a pretty dense grouping. Nothing is too far away. If I live in Alabama, I'm leaving the state to go to a pro game - and the Tennessee teams are all fairly new - On a similar note, we have all the conveniences of being densely populated and are a little spoiled. Many people consider it a hassle to go all the way into Boston from Worcester. People from Boston are less likely to make the 35 mile hike out to Worcester. You might as well be heading to Oregon in a covered wagon for the hardships produced. People in Texas drive 35 miles to buy a gallon of milk. We Northeasterners are not accustomed to traveling any kind of distance. Certainly not driving past 15 colleges and one pro stadium to catch alma mater in a sporting event - Here in MA there are colleges everywhere. Seven undergrads inside the city limits of Worcester alone.. The percentage of college grads in this state that went to UMass Amherst isn't that high - never mind HC grads. Heading back to Alabama, sure there's Auburn, UAB and others, but it's a pretty big percentage of college grads that are Crimson Tide alums. Locally, our alumni loyalty is spread out over many small schools. Also I would guess that lots of Alabama grads are from Alabama and settle there. There were posts somewhere recently about regional diversity. HC always had lots of NY/NJ kids in the day. See note 2
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Post by Tom on Dec 28, 2018 9:48:39 GMT -5
Who is the coach of this squad ? Can this team spell Jehyve ? I coach. My son names the plays. The son also has to call a lot of plays, because if you've ever seen HC92 at Hart, you know he racks up a lot of ejections as a coach
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 28, 2018 10:35:18 GMT -5
Almost qualifies as an oxymoron, Tom, "convenience of being densely populated" and "a little spoiled."
I'll drive 4 hours if the cars are moving . . . . can't stand 25 minutes in bumper-to-bumper. That's why I have no problem driving up 146 to Worcester for a game but grate my teeth to drive to Harvard, BU, etc. for a game. One cannot drive up 95/128 to Boston w/o the GPS changing routes - "RECALCULATING!" - at minimum, a half a dozen times due to traffic, construction and usually both.
BTW, having traveled extensively down south, including Alabama. You are pretty much spot on except that in Birmingham, my regional office down there was split almost 50-50 Alabama fans vs. Auburn fans, none of which as I recall went to either school.
I've posted before that I've lived in the Syracuse area and the Columbus area. In both places, the local university - Syracuse University and "The Ohio State University" - were the teams the locals followed by a large margin. Syracuse had a smattering of Bills fans. Columbus loyalties were split between Browns, Bengals and Steelers fans but all of them were way down the line second choices to the Buckeyes.
Providence is more like Worcester. Patriots fans over Brown or URI football fans. Perhaps, PC over Celtics but a lot depends on who is winning. Big Providence Bruins fans - who wants to drive up to see the parent team? Let's not even get rf1 going on baseball.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 28, 2018 11:29:43 GMT -5
In Louisville many folks are fanatical Kentucky or Louisville fans. Sales of each team's regalia are phenomenal. What's intriguing to me is the people who grew up as fans of one school (usually UK) but ended up going to the other school and still rooting for the original: "I went to U of L but I root for Kentucky".
I think it's hard for Northeasterners to get a gauge on the fanatic support for the local state teams in the South and Midwest, particularly where there are no original MLB or NFL teams. I lived in Chicago and St Louis and the fans there are not crazy for the Illini or Mizzou, though they do get their support. It's just not the same as the support for Bama, Auburn, UT, TOSU, Michigan, etc.
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Post by rf1 on Dec 28, 2018 12:29:34 GMT -5
The Worcester Railers YTD average attendance near the mid-season mark is tracking over 10% off from its inaugural year: 2017-18 Full Season - 36 regular season home games: 4,393 2018-19 YTD - through 17 home games: 3,913
As a point of reference, the ECHL Manchester Monarchs (NH), located in a city that had also lost an AHL team, also saw dramatic average attendance decreases in each of its first four seasons:
2015-16 4,622
2016-17 3,580
2017-18 2,793
2018-19 YTD 2,290
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Post by thecrossisback on Dec 28, 2018 19:51:28 GMT -5
The Worcester Railers YTD average attendance near the mid-season mark is tracking over 10% off from its inaugural year: 2017-18 Full Season - 36 regular season home games: 4,393 2018-19 YTD - through 17 home games: 3,913
As a point of reference, the ECHL Manchester Monarchs (NH), located in a city that had also lost an AHL team, also saw dramatic average attendance decreases in each of its first four seasons:
2015-16 4,622
2016-17 3,580
2017-18 2,793
2018-19 YTD 2,290
The Monarchs ownership ruined it with season tickets packages. People gave them up and never came back. Plus the hockey went from AHL to ECHL. They had one of the best fanbases and always took a bus to Worcester when they played the Sharks.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 28, 2018 21:18:34 GMT -5
In Louisville many folks are fanatical Kentucky or Louisville fans. Sales of each team's regalia are phenomenal. What's intriguing to me is the people who grew up as fans of one school (usually UK) but ended up going to the other school and still rooting for the original: "I went to U of L but I root for Kentucky". I think it's hard for Northeasterners to get a gauge on the fanatic support for the local state teams in the South and Midwest, particularly where there are no original MLB or NFL teams. I lived in Chicago and St Louis and the fans there are not crazy for the Illini or Mizzou, though they do get their support. It's just not the same as the support for Bama, Auburn, UT, TOSU, Michigan, etc. It's not surprising to me.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 28, 2018 23:52:12 GMT -5
The thing is....if HC had joined the Big East, there would have been nothing in the sports world to approach that in the national consciousness for Wisstahh. Minor-league hockey, baseball etc pale in comparison to a Villanova, Georgetown (or in the past Syracuse, UConn, BC etc) game at the Centrum.
We blew it....you know it, I know it....Fr. Brooks probably knows he blew it in heaven now too.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 29, 2018 1:17:20 GMT -5
Amen Brothah.
"My world was shattered, I was torn apart Like someone took a knife and drove it deep in my heart You walked out that door, I swore that I didn't care But I lost everything darling, then and there"
-Cher, "If I could turn back time."
But now we're in the Patriot League, we're 8-4, and the future is now for another championship drive.
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Post by bikeman on Dec 29, 2018 7:44:56 GMT -5
The way the PL and HC schedule games, it's almost like they don't want anyone to show up. 1pm games on a Sunday during football season? 12 noon games on a Saturday? Dumb and dumber.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 29, 2018 8:02:11 GMT -5
Basically agree, but the PL putting HC at Loyola on Thursday,, then at Navy on Sunday during break was a fine move, long overdue
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Post by Tom on Dec 29, 2018 8:58:51 GMT -5
The way the PL and HC schedule games, it's almost like they don't want anyone to show up. 1pm games on a Sunday during football season? 12 noon games on a Saturday? Dumb and dumber. I'm pretty sure HC doesn't care if Iona's gym isn't packed with rabid fans this Sunday
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 29, 2018 11:12:11 GMT -5
Well, I will try to make up in a small way for any lack of Crusader faithful.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 29, 2018 11:39:54 GMT -5
Interesting to see almost no mention of this game on the Iona site. I guess their publicity staff is off for the holidays.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2018 11:40:06 GMT -5
Thanks, Rob! We try to make up for your occasional absence at the Hart/Fitton and away games in MA, RI, VT, NH. Mom used to always say: "One hand washes the other." Guess we had dirty hands when we were young.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 29, 2018 11:56:12 GMT -5
More than fair, sader1970. Thank you. As is said "I would if I could...." I do enjoy the few games in the NY, CT, NJ areas (and, of course, Belfast)...but the drive is getting to be a bit too long as I leave 70 farther behind in the rear view mirror.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 29, 2018 13:30:39 GMT -5
Fair amount of Tri-State area, Sader friends of mine are going tomorrow. We should have a decent following as this is our only NYC-area game this year.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 29, 2018 15:51:28 GMT -5
Fair amount of Tri-State area, Sader friends of mine are going tomorrow. We should have a decent following as this is our only NYC-area game this year. Even the Stony Brook game I went to years ago when the team was in the midst of the Sean Kearney Reign of Error drew a pretty good HC following. Should be 2 or 3 metro NY games a year.
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Post by rf1 on Dec 29, 2018 20:25:01 GMT -5
What has been the highest total season attendance and average for Holy Cross Men's basketball?
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