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Post by WCHC Sports on Dec 11, 2018 10:10:08 GMT -5
Play. At. The. Centrum. Or. Be. Stuck. Playing. MAAC. Schools. At. The. Very. Best. For. Out. Of. Conference. Opponents. We're already playing them at best for our out of conference games, and if we have to play them at DCU it's even worse. If it's not a major program, stay the hell out of the building. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 11, 2018 11:38:37 GMT -5
A10 > MAAC.
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Post by rickii on Dec 11, 2018 12:32:39 GMT -5
Really wild opinions here....
IMO, a logical start would be to somehow, some way get Fordham and Georgetown back on the schedule....probably be 1 for 2 deals....I don't care about that.
Next, get BC....ANY WAY they want it....same for Providence.
And hopefully keep Umass in the mix....although I'm sure that loss last week will work against this.
URI is ok with me but not as high a priority as any of the above.
Random thoughts -
Seems to me URI's gym and Navy's are very similar.
bison - you should add a note that the late Skip Prosser put those Wake Forest games in place when his son was on the Bucknell hoops staff.
On the Worcester's Team angle....keep plugging it....it will take time....a long time to overcome the disaster decisions started 40 years ago that festered up until recently. Remember, HC took away a lot of satellite motel/restaurant/DCU revenue from Worcester when we killed the football and basketball programs.
carry on....
Yes, keep playing games at the DCU
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Post by rf1 on Dec 11, 2018 12:48:42 GMT -5
Seems to me URI's gym and Navy's are very similar
Their interior bowls look somewhat similar (as a lot of arenas do). URI's Ryan Center however seats some 2K more (7,657 vs 5,710). Navy does however have a nice venue and its downtown Annapolis location is great.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 11, 2018 13:32:38 GMT -5
Fordham (annual bottom-feeder in the A-10) managed to lure Rutgers to the Rose Hill gym last Saturday. Yes, the Rams rose to the occasion and won 78-70, but my point is that the attendance was 2346 in the 3400 capacity gym, and according to many in attendance at least 1/3 of the crowd was Rutgers fans. Face it, everyone, students and fans alike just don't show up for college basketball in this part of the country for mid-low-major games.
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Post by Tom on Dec 11, 2018 14:04:20 GMT -5
Really wild opinions here.... IMO, a logical start would be to somehow, some way get Fordham and Georgetown back on the schedule....probably be 1 for 2 deals....I don't care about that. Next, get BC....ANY WAY they want it....same for Providence. Georgetown shouldn't be too hard to schedule, if you accept that a 2 for 1 isn't likely and it would be a guarantee game Fordham, Who the heck knows about that. Back when the series was dropped, Fordham had a hard enough time losing all their A-10 games, they needed an OOC slate that had some winnable games. Maybe no one has re-visited this one lately, HC is not as good as when Fordham refused to play - and Fordham is probably better. They might be up for it now. This year, BC will play exactly one OOC road game (@ DePaul on FS1). Without proper television, it might be a stretch for them to agree to a 2-1 even if the 1 is at the semi neutral Centrum. Best bet for BC is a guarantee game. PC, which isn't as staunchy as BC and has actually traveled, still would be pushing to get a 2-1. Barring something like this year's Hall of Fame Classic, this would also likely have to be a guarantee game. HC being local, I'm sure both BC and PC would be happy to host a game since the guarantee would be fairly small. Back in the middle of the Coach Willard era, Jim Calhoun said he would only play HC if they played a straight up man to man or zone and not whatever the hell it was that HC ran. Yes it wasa a ridiculous statement , but when you're Jim Calhoun, you can get away with it. No regular game was scheduled. There are limits to the "any way they want it" |
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Post by rf1 on Dec 11, 2018 14:41:45 GMT -5
Per the Holy Cross record books, I can come up with 23 games that the Crusaders have played at the DCU Center/Centrum. This would match what Jen Tolland had tweeted on Saturday. A few of these earlier date games were part of local tournaments. DCU/CENTRUM Holy Cross Opponents (Record 7-16): Brown Nov. 30, 1984 (68-81) L Boston College Feb. 12, 1983 (74-89) L Dec. 2, 1994 (75-81) L Dec. 7, 1999 (43-50) L Dec. 1, 2002 (71-70) W Jan. 17, 2006 (53-63) L Nov 18, 2011 (86-64) W
Davidson Dec. 29, 1982 (65-62) W
Dayton
Dec 1, 2007 (53-55) L George Mason Dec. 21, 2006 (46-58) L Iona Dec. 30, 1982 (66-65) W
Feb. 15, 1984 (79-90) L Jan. 18, 2005 (78-53) W Marquette Dec. 20, 1984 (67-74) L Maryland Jan. 26, 1983 (53-55) L Massachusetts Dec. 11, 1993 (80-97) L Nov. 25, 2000 (78-65) W Dec. 5, 2009 (63-84) L Nov. 20, 2016 (60-66) L Notre Dame Jan. 6, 1984 (61-73) L Rhode Island Dec. 8, 2018 (63-79) L Rice Dec. 1, 1984 (60-62) L Siena Dec. 5, 1992 (96-95) W Source: www.nmnathletics.com/fls/33100/sports/m-basketball/2018-2019/18-19-hc-mbb-fb.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=33100&_ga=2.58557935.410481929.1544470987-899525568.1531249743
Worth noting that Holy Cross has never played Providence College at the DCU Center/Centrum since it opened 36 years ago. The Friars last visit to Worcester was at the Hart Center back on 01-05-91 when they lost to the Crusaders 85-84. They have never returned to Worcester to play Holy Cross since that game 28 years ago. There have only been five meetings between the teams since then with all being played at the DDC/PCC in Providence.
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Post by rf1 on Dec 11, 2018 15:35:42 GMT -5
Based on the list of DCU Center games above, it would appear that the local trio of BC, UMass, and URI have probably been the best opponents to come to the DCU Center to play Holy Cross for quite some time. There has not been a better opponent since Notre Dame, Marquette, and Maryland in the early 1980's. It would seem that high profile programs have no interest in coming to Worcester even if the game were to be played downtown in the DCU Center. It apparently doesn't even interest longtime local rival Providence College.
Edited the Notre Dame date
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 11, 2018 15:46:19 GMT -5
Holy Cross should not be walking into these negotiations regarding future basketball games hat in hand.
“We bow to no man. We bow to no program.”
If they do not want to play us as equals, then we move on and find another team. As far as I am concerned, the days of playing traditional rivals from the 50’s, 60’s Andy 70’s is no longer a special game. BC, PC, UMass, etc are just another team that allows short travel for the Holy Cross team.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 11, 2018 15:51:15 GMT -5
bison - you should add a note that the late Skip Prosser put those Wake Forest games in place when his son was on the Bucknell hoops staff. Only one. The second one, which was played in November 2016, was booked many years after Prosser's unfortunate death. The series was first agreed upon in the summer of 2015. Skip passed away about eight years before that. And Mark Prosser left the Bucknell staff in May 2008. I should add that in addition to Prosser being on the Bucknell staff when the first game was booked, Pat Flannery was close friends with Skip Prosser. He used to attend Prosser's father-son camp at Wake with his kids, and he had dinner with Prosser the night before his passing. Their relationship was a big part of getting that series on the books. |
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Post by Wormtown Railers Fan on Dec 11, 2018 15:55:01 GMT -5
Based on the list of DCU Center games above, it would appear that the local trio of BC, UMass, and URI have probably been the best opponents to come to the DCU Center to play Holy Cross for quite some time. There has not been a better opponent since Notre Dame back in 1994 and there had only been two other names schools much further back in the early 1980's (Marquette and Maryland). It would seem that high profile programs have no interest in coming to Worcester even if the game were to be played downtown in the DCU Center. It apparently doesn't even interest longtime local rival Providence College. It doesn’t interest PC because they are afraid they’ll lose away from home, it has nothing to do with “coming to Worcester” |
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Post by bison137 on Dec 11, 2018 16:00:34 GMT -5
Fordham (annual bottom-feeder in the A-10) managed to lure Rutgers to the Rose Hill gym last Saturday. This is part of a series, which I believe sends Fordham to Rutgers twice. |
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Post by Tom on Dec 11, 2018 16:41:59 GMT -5
Based on the list of DCU Center games above, it would appear that the local trio of BC, UMass, and URI have probably been the best opponents to come to the DCU Center to play Holy Cross for quite some time. There has not been a better opponent since Notre Dame back in 1994 and there had only been two other big name schools much further back in the early 1980's (Marquette and Maryland). It would seem that high profile programs have no interest in coming to Worcester even if the game were to be played downtown in the DCU Center. It apparently doesn't even interest longtime local rival Providence College. It might not be a sexy name. but George Mason was the season after their Final Four Run. IIRC, Iona in 2005 was an outlier as some sort of test drive for hosting the tournament two months later. Silly note, but beer was not sold at that game as part of the test drive since it wouldn't be sold in March |
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Post by bison137 on Dec 11, 2018 16:51:53 GMT -5
Based on the list of DCU Center games above, it would appear that the local trio of BC, UMass, and URI have probably been the best opponents to come to the DCU Center to play Holy Cross for quite some time. There has not been a better opponent since Notre Dame back in 1994 and there had only been two other big name schools much further back in the early 1980's (Marquette and Maryland). It would seem that high profile programs have no interest in coming to Worcester even if the game were to be played downtown in the DCU Center. It apparently doesn't even interest longtime local rival Providence College. It might not be a sexy name. but George Mason was the season after their Final Four Run. Yes, Bucknell also played GMU that year - albeit on the road. |
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Post by rf1 on Dec 11, 2018 17:00:29 GMT -5
Based on the list of DCU Center games above, it would appear that the local trio of BC, UMass, and URI have probably been the best opponents to come to the DCU Center to play Holy Cross for quite some time. There has not been a better opponent since Notre Dame back in 1994 and there had only been two other big name schools much further back in the early 1980's (Marquette and Maryland). It would seem that high profile programs have no interest in coming to Worcester even if the game were to be played downtown in the DCU Center. It apparently doesn't even interest longtime local rival Providence College. It might not be a sexy name. but George Mason was the season after their Final Four Run. IIRC, Iona in 2005 was an outlier as some sort of test drive for hosting the tournament two months later. Silly note, but beer was not sold at that game as part of the test drive since it wouldn't be sold in March
The GMU game in 2006 drew 3,114. Dayton in 2007 got a crowd of 3,721. The last BC game back in 2011 drew 3,071. The last UMass game in 2016 had 3,591. It would seem that crowds of 2-4k are probably the norm for Crusader DCU Center games. This was even the case during the Willard decade of 1999-2009, the best era of Holy Cross men's basketball since the DCU Center/Centrum opened back in 1982.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 11, 2018 17:09:01 GMT -5
Not sure if this is fact but a Providence fan told me that he heard that the Friars are coming to the DCU Center next year to play HC. If anyone has heard this let us know. My friend could be wrong about this.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 11, 2018 19:18:22 GMT -5
From goholycross.com footnotes after Saturday's game: Holy Cross is 7-16 all-time at the DCU Center. We should flaunt this statistic as much as possible. Maybe some big time programs will start knocking on the door to play here! |
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Post by princetoncrusader on Dec 11, 2018 21:20:18 GMT -5
Princeton somehow managed to get 2 Atlantic-10 team to come to Jadwin Gym--GWU and St. Joe's. Both games drew less than 2,000 fans. The schedule also includes two D3 teams. So scheduling is not easy for Ivy and PL schools.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 11, 2018 21:25:56 GMT -5
Princeton somehow managed to get 2 Atlantic-10 team to come to Jadwin Gym--GWU and St. Joe's. Both games drew less than 2,000 fans. The schedule also includes two D3 teams. So scheduling is not easy for Ivy and PL schools. IIRC we played both St. Joe's and GW at Hart during the 2008-2009 season. Aside from that our last A-10 home date at Hart was Fordham in 05-06. |
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Post by classof83 on Dec 11, 2018 21:43:20 GMT -5
IIRC Duke was going to come play at the Centrum RW's first year. Dick Reagan arranged the game before RW was hired (I don't know what we agreed to give up in return) - but as I remember it RW cancelled the game after he was hired.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 11, 2018 21:51:32 GMT -5
That Centrum ND game was in 1984, not 1994....decent game...Tim Kempton Sr (was the kid at Lehigh Jr? I forget) led ND that night...was there.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2018 9:56:15 GMT -5
IIRC Duke was going to come play at the Centrum RW's first year. Dick Reagan arranged the game before RW was hired (I don't know what we agreed to give up in return) - but as I remember it RW cancelled the game after he was hired. Never heard about this but definitely not impossible. Coach K did occasionally schedule road games against smaller schools into the mid-90's. Most recently they played at Army in 1998 (K's alma mater), at Northeastern in 1995, at Canisius in Buffalo's downtown arena in 1992 (Christian Laettner's homecoming) and at Harvard in 1991. They played William & Mary and Davidson home-and-home as late as 1990.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 12, 2018 10:33:56 GMT -5
That Centrum ND game was in 1984, not 1994....decent game...Tim Kempton Sr (was the kid at Lehigh Jr? I forget) led ND that night...was there. I was also. Ernie Floyd played center for HC. ND won but it was competitive. You can guess for whom I was rooting. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 12, 2018 10:37:01 GMT -5
That Centrum ND game was in 1984, not 1994....decent game...Tim Kempton Sr (was the kid at Lehigh Jr? I forget) led ND that night...was there. I was also. Ernie Floyd played center for HC. ND won but it was competitive. You can guess for whom I was rooting. My guess is you were rooting for a one-loss season for Holy Cross that year |
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Post by rf1 on Dec 12, 2018 11:15:13 GMT -5
That Centrum ND game was in 1984, not 1994....decent game...Tim Kempton Sr (was the kid at Lehigh Jr? I forget) led ND that night...was there.
I looked at the record book which my source came from (referenced above). Your memory is correct. I fixed my post. It was a real pain putting together the list of games played at the DCU Center/Centrum as there was no separate table for games. Had to go through year by year records. Making matters worse is that three different reference codes pertained to games there as two tournaments had their own unique designations. Was not totally confident that I had all the games until it matched Jen Tolland's reference to overall record there.
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