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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 18, 2019 5:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 18, 2019 8:09:38 GMT -5
First, for all the "tie-watchers" on Crossports, Nate was wearing an AFA tie. Second, it appears that the folks in Colorado Springs like what he did financially while at Holy Cross. Didn't even mention the LAC. Third, do you think the AFA followers will start talking about the AFA becoming "Colorado Springs' Team?"
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 18, 2019 9:54:31 GMT -5
First, for all the "tie-watchers" on Crossports, Nate was wearing an AFA tie. Second, it appears that the folks in Colorado Springs like what he did financially while at Holy Cross. Didn't even mention the LAC. Third, do you think the AFA followers will start talking about the AFA becoming "Colorado Springs' Team?" I'm most concerned about whether Nate owns the trademark for the outstanding "#WeWill" and it's something he will be taking with him to Colorado Springs, or if that will stay in Worcester. I'm not sure we can survive without it!
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 18, 2019 22:44:09 GMT -5
Ironic because I would guess NP presided over an aggregate decline in attendance during his tenure at Holy Cross.
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Pine out?
Jan 21, 2019 8:28:40 GMT -5
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Post by unhfan on Jan 21, 2019 8:28:40 GMT -5
Ironic because I would guess NP presided over an aggregate decline in attendance during his tenure at Holy Cross. The rise of professional sports and the ability to watch any game in the country on a multitude of devices has led to the decline. Pro sports is 👑!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 21, 2019 13:52:36 GMT -5
Ironic because I would guess NP presided over an aggregate decline in attendance during his tenure at Holy Cross. The rise of professional sports and the ability to watch any game in the country on a multitude of devices has led to the decline. Pro sports is 👑! The problem is compounded in New England. In two weeks, Brady will have played in more Super Bowls than any other NFL team not named the Patriots. And the Sawx have won four World Series since 2004.. Since 2004, the Celtics have won one NBA title and the Bruins have won one Stanley Cup. If Boston sport franchises were wallowing in mediocrity, you might see more local interest in college sports.
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Post by beaven302 on Jan 21, 2019 14:32:28 GMT -5
Ironic because I would guess NP presided over an aggregate decline in attendance during his tenure at Holy Cross. The rise of professional sports and the ability to watch any game in the country on a multitude of devices has led to the decline. Pro sports is 👑! This is it in a nutshell. For many decades, New England had no NFL team, and when first established, the Patriots were a joke. (I remember an article, probably in Sports Illustrated, that reported the team practice ag shoddy fields and watched game films projected onto a bed sheet. )And for a long time, only a handful of college games were available on TV, which made any appearance by HC a big deal. Finally, the establishment of Division I-AA didn't help. Until then, schools like HC, Harvard, Yale, and UMass were grouped with the future Power Five conferences, and could claim a version of major football status.. After I-AA came along, they were officially stamped second rate, which helped diminish fan interest. I recall after I-AA was announced, someone with connections to Yale football realized this, and was quoted in the NY Times as saying: "We have to get back into Division I-A."
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Pine out?
Jan 21, 2019 15:18:11 GMT -5
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 21, 2019 15:18:11 GMT -5
NBA is sooooo different now. Even during the Celtics 1960s championships, you could walk up on game day and get good playoff tickets. Just a totally different sporting world from what exists today.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 21, 2019 15:49:12 GMT -5
Beaven nails it. In the late 60's, I had classmates from Mass who were big Giants fans. I always thought that curious but the reason they said was simple. They got to see the Giants every Sunday on TV as it was not blacked out as it was for us New Yorkers if the game was not a sell out. And, the BOSTON Patriots weren't especially good and considered almost a minor league team. It took the AFL-NFL merger plus a few years to lose that stigma.
But, everyone loves a winner. Certainly the Belichick/Brady partnership has cemented the loyalties of New Englanders with the Pats.
I agree the D-IAA designation ultimately hurt the football reputations of college teams as many in New England were considered to have been "downgraded" despite continuing to play the same schedules for many years.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 23, 2019 14:47:49 GMT -5
If last night's Coaches Show was an audition for Brendan Sullivan, his performance fell extremely flat.
The lack of urgency from our fearless leader Fr. B to start a national search is now even more alarming.
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Post by rickii on Jan 23, 2019 14:58:12 GMT -5
If last night's Coaches Show was an audition for Brendan Sullivan, his performance fell extremely flat. The lack of urgency from our fearless leader Fr. B to start a national search is now even more alarming. Flat as in not as good as Pine ?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 23, 2019 15:03:33 GMT -5
What would make you think that Sullivan is even a candidate?
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Pine out?
Jan 23, 2019 15:23:54 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 23, 2019 15:23:54 GMT -5
Didn’t watch the show but heard from multiple sources that he not only applied but being given serious consideration. A presumed protege of Nate. If Nate is perceived as positively as I suspect, Brendan may be well placed for permanent role.
And, how important is it for an AD to be telegenic?
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 23, 2019 15:32:41 GMT -5
Trust me - Brendan Sullivan is indeed very much a candidate.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 23, 2019 15:39:43 GMT -5
Didn’t watch the show but heard from multiple sources that he not only applied but being given serious consideration. A presumed protege of Nate. If Nate is perceived as positively as I suspect, Brendan may be well placed for permanent role. And, how important is it for an AD to be telegenic? Sound logic there from TPTB. Considering that we haven't had a team finish with a winning record since the spring of 2016, why wouldn't we want to keep the winning ways going?? It would be colossally stupid for HC to not actually open this up to other candidates.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 23, 2019 15:50:41 GMT -5
If we name a new AD soon, we rushed. If we name one in a month, we dithered. If we have four candidates, we have too small a pool. If we have 5 candidates we're too incompetent to narrow the search. If the new AD is from New England, we're provincial. If it's someone from outside New England we're ignoring local candidates. If it's a Holy Cross graduate we're incestuous. If it's not a Holy Cross graduate, we're ignoring our heritage. If it's a former athlete we're close-minded. If it's not a former athlete we're naïve. If he/she is over 45, we're settling for an old hand. If he/she is under 45 we're opting for someone unproven.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Jan 23, 2019 15:55:46 GMT -5
Post of the year.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 23, 2019 16:19:22 GMT -5
And now that Nate is gone - apparently everyone else in the admin has moved up a place in line on the hit list. It never ends.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 23, 2019 16:29:01 GMT -5
The only AD I can remember that wasn't personable was VIncent Dougherty. At least, I think he wasn't. He kept an incredibly low profile. He resigned start of second semester my junior year. I had no clue who he was when I started college and no clue when he left.
Only heard one radio interview with him in that time as well.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 23, 2019 16:34:21 GMT -5
The only AD I can remember that wasn't personable was VIncent Dougherty. At least, I think he wasn't. He kept an incredibly low profile. He resigned start of second semester my junior year. I had no clue who he was when I started college and no clue when he left. Only heard one radio interview with him in that time as well. I think he was AD when I arrived on campus. Wasn't he the ex-FBI agent?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 23, 2019 16:38:51 GMT -5
If you don't think that Pine did a very good job as AD, then it's reasonable to think a guy he hired who worked for him during his tenure at HC wouldn't be a good replacement.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 23, 2019 17:13:35 GMT -5
Here is the interview from last night: www.facebook.com/GoHolyCross/videos/1650721721894057/Despite the smoke and mirrors from Pine and his lap dogs, we have not had a team finish with a winning record since the Spring of 2016 (that's over two full academic years) and the athletic program is in need of a leader who actually understands sports and is capable of conducting an overhaul that will actually position our teams to win. I would be very interested to hear what in that interview may have caused anyone to come away thinking, "that's the type of guy who can turn an athletic program around."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 23, 2019 17:21:34 GMT -5
Point of clarification: are the lap dogs a subset of the bag-carriers, or do they form a separate group within the evil cabal?
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 24, 2019 17:01:24 GMT -5
"...we have not had a team finish with a winning record since the Spring of 2016 (that's over two full academic years) and the athletic program is in need of a leader who actually understands sports and is capable of conducting an overhaul that will actually position our teams to win."
This is a surprising stat if true, and the general recommendation is a sound and needed one.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 24, 2019 17:03:12 GMT -5
If we name a new AD soon, we rushed. If we name one in a month, we dithered. If we have four candidates, we have too small a pool. If we have 5 candidates we're too incompetent to narrow the search. If the new AD is from New England, we're provincial. If it's someone from outside New England we're ignoring local candidates. If it's a Holy Cross graduate we're incestuous. If it's not a Holy Cross graduate, we're ignoring our heritage. If it's a former athlete we're close-minded. If it's not a former athlete we're naïve. If he/she is over 45, we're settling for an old hand. If he/she is under 45 we're opting for someone unproven. Wonderful post, and shows the nature of the world we live in today. However, I think all of those statements above are true so long as the athletics programs continue to be mediocre. If we start to turn things around across the board, or are successful in the "premiere" sports of the college, then you or anyone else would have the right to say that the naysayers should be quiet and are off-base.
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