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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 13, 2018 17:08:09 GMT -5
Is it possible for a high academic D1 college, with an enrollment under 2,000, to get to the NCAA or NIT twelve times in the last eighteen years, while competing in highly-competitive conferences? Why, yes - yes, it is. I mean, if you can put a man on the moon and get Steph Curry to believe it . . . www.davidson.edu/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_McKillop
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Post by Dean Wormer on Dec 13, 2018 17:10:14 GMT -5
Just moved this here from the Men's Basketball thread since this impacts all HC Sports.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 13, 2018 18:09:48 GMT -5
Thanks, Dean. Hopefully none of the HC athletes will be paying a visit to your office in the next week. Can't afford any "Mr. Blutarski, 0.0's!"
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 13, 2018 18:10:29 GMT -5
Fr. Borough's statement says we 'won multiple PL championships' during his tenure - Just a little hyperbole ? How did I miss some of those ?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 13, 2018 18:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 13, 2018 18:23:37 GMT -5
More than one qualifies as "multiple!" Let's see, 26 sports +/- (though some not in the PL) X 5 years = 130 +/- sports. Assuming the field is level and every school has an equal shot at winning a title, what's the "average" we could/should have won? I think Nate did a very credible job but agree that this announcement had at least a little "topspin" to it.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 13, 2018 18:28:31 GMT -5
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Pine out?
Dec 13, 2018 18:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 13, 2018 18:29:08 GMT -5
If we are basing success on just wins and losses, Pine was no upgrade from Regan. In fact, we may have had more success with Regan at the helm.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 13, 2018 18:37:41 GMT -5
No. She was just the seat warmer. Former AD Jim Knowlton (a civilian) left for Cal this past spring.
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Post by breezy on Dec 13, 2018 18:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by Dean Wormer on Dec 13, 2018 19:37:38 GMT -5
Guys - appreciate it if you'd keep shots at other posters out of this.
Carry on.
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Pine out?
Dec 13, 2018 19:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 13, 2018 19:41:40 GMT -5
Is it possible for a high academic D1 college, with an enrollment under 2,000, to get to the NCAA or NIT twelve times in the last eighteen years, while competing in highly-competitive conferences? Why, yes - yes, it is. I mean, if you can put a man on the moon and get Steph Curry to believe it . . . www.davidson.edu/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_McKillopYep w non scholarship football, no men's lacrosse and no hockey.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 13, 2018 19:54:06 GMT -5
I was going to send an email note to Nate Pine but his email address is already scrubbed from the staff directory. Maybe it is still live, but.....
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Pine out?
Dec 13, 2018 20:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 13, 2018 20:12:02 GMT -5
I was going to send an email note to Nate Pine but his email address is already scrubbed from the staff directory. Maybe it is still live, but..... His email address was never on the staff directory to begin with KY. It's still live: npine@holycross.edu
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Post by hc87 on Dec 13, 2018 20:46:26 GMT -5
Guy was a lot of sizzle imo....time for Lockbaum AD era to begin.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 13, 2018 21:02:50 GMT -5
I wish NP well. I think he increased the size of Athletic Administration at HC. I assume the multiple Patriot League championships were the great run in Men's basketball after a losing regular season and one in baseball. I don't blame NP or any specific person, but we have a long way to go before we reach .500 across the board, and moving out of D-3 in women's ice hockey doesn't help the overall school W-L record.
This year football, and men's and women's basketball appear ready to turn the corner. I will gladly give NP credit if that plays out. He hired two out of the three coaches and stuck with the third.
Although it won't be a primary factor, it would be nice of the new AD has a background in supporting successful D-1 baseball. When the Worcester Tornadoes started and needed a place to pay for the construction of a new 3,000 seat ball park, Fitton Field was upgraded, at no cost to HC as I recall. Now the Tornadoes are long gone and HC owns the improvements, as I understand it. Fitton Field for baseball is a much more comfortable place to watch a game with the chairback box seats than many college facilities. The Patriot League, with only partial participation in baseball offers an opportunity to excel if a successful formula can be figured out and executed.
Perhaps Global Climate Change will even add a couple more pleasant playing dates in the Spring to aid the program.
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Pine out?
Dec 13, 2018 22:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Dec 13, 2018 22:06:48 GMT -5
Whether it was Pine or the money or both; the athletic department is more of a 21st century endeavor than it was when he arrived. I just hope the new person tells the powers-that-be something along these lines: focus on a quarter (or a third) of the sports you offer; seriously try to succeed at those; and don't worry about finishing last in the rest of them (or better still, drop a few of them to club). Nothing else works for a school of 2,900 in Division 1. Very valid and realistic.
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Post by gks on Dec 13, 2018 22:41:27 GMT -5
Nate's biggest accomplishment was bringing the athletic department into the modern times. For too many years prior it was run no better than a high school.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 14, 2018 3:27:18 GMT -5
He replaced his purple tie with Air Force blue very quickly.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 14, 2018 7:05:43 GMT -5
W-L record over 5 years at HC is essentially irrelevant to the folks at the Academy. It is a step up for Nate Pine and he is to be congratulated on his personal success.
I'd like to see us ditch some of the 'minor' sports and focus on doing well in just a few. Of course that is not the AD's prerogative at HC so I'm not holding my breath. Although it is a peripheral concern, I'd like to see the ratio of varsity athletes to other students adjusted a bit. (I hear concerns from my students that HC is considered a sports team or social justice school...and a good many academically-oriented potential high school applicants are neither...not to say they are non-athletic just that they have no plans to do D-1 sports in college)
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Post by crusader12 on Dec 14, 2018 7:41:09 GMT -5
Thank you Airforce Academy!!!
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Post by gks on Dec 14, 2018 8:29:51 GMT -5
I have to say a little surprised at some of the negative posts regarding Nate's tenure at HC. Considering the department he inherited to where it is now I think he did a very good job. Getting the Luth done was by far his biggest accomplishment. I realize it was conceived during the Regan years but under him it was going nowhere. He also expanded the department into what a real D1 athletic department should look like. Obviously higher-end D1 schools thought he did an excellent job or he'd still be in Worcester.
As far as wins and losses, to me that falls above the ADs sphere of influence. He doesn't admit kids to the school. Hopefully he goes to bat for the coaches but ultimately until HC get a President in who gives a crap about sports win-loss records will be status quo.
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Post by JRGNYR on Dec 14, 2018 8:34:44 GMT -5
The destination surprises me. Supposedly his big claim to fame was fundraising. I would think that would be a lesser deal at a service academy. If they want a major project like Luth, it isn't done by private donations, they just lobby Congress.Not intended as a slam on Nate Pine, but the big swing from part time head coaches to almost all full team head coaches was a Dick Regan thing Tom, the truth is actually very much the opposite. The academies try to raise funds as much as they can. There's always going to be some reliance on federal funds, but the more they can raise privately, the better. Something that gets lost in all the talk of government shutdowns is that it grounds the athletic teams at the academies and furloughs employees. Fundraising helps with the possibility that that doesn't happen to the student-athletes the next time a shutdown comes around... unfortunately for which the sabers rattle all too frequently.
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Post by Tom on Dec 14, 2018 9:03:14 GMT -5
The destination surprises me. Supposedly his big claim to fame was fundraising. I would think that would be a lesser deal at a service academy. If they want a major project like Luth, it isn't done by private donations, they just lobby Congress.Not intended as a slam on Nate Pine, but the big swing from part time head coaches to almost all full team head coaches was a Dick Regan thing Tom, the truth is actually very much the opposite. The academies try to raise funds as much as they can. There's always going to be some reliance on federal funds, but the more they can raise privately, the better. Something that gets lost in all the talk of government shutdowns is that it grounds the athletic teams at the academies and furloughs employees. Fundraising helps with the possibility that that doesn't happen to the student-athletes the next time a shutdown comes around... unfortunately for which the sabers rattle all too frequently. I stand corrected on the fundraising requirements at the academies. Didn't either Army or Navy cancel an away game during a recent shutdown?
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Post by purplepig on Dec 14, 2018 9:09:54 GMT -5
He did a good job but he can be replaced. Those who disagree and want to slam the AD should check out some of the other PL ADs. The academies do rely heavily on fund-raising. Navy went through a cost-cutting round a year or two ago.
Best wishes, P.
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