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Post by hchoops on Jan 17, 2019 23:45:40 GMT -5
Here come the predictable responses.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 18, 2019 6:32:41 GMT -5
Well, Rashad Phillips knows Jehyve's a baller. That's good enough for me!
As mentioned, I also sure hope he is ok for tomorrow.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 18, 2019 7:30:57 GMT -5
From Ken Pomeroy
7:41 PM (3 hours ago) It's a combination of a player's value to his team (mostly offensive rating and %poss) and his team's rating. Jehyve's pedestrian usage is what's holding him back.
Ken-- So Floyd's "problems" seem to be two-fold:
1. Pomeroy's formula may overweight offense - defense (other than counting stats like blocks) harder to quantify. 2. Usage - i.e., JF doesn't "get enough touches," the offense doesn't "go through him" on a regular basis. Aka, "Get Jehyve the damn ball."
Depending on your point of view, this is ok - in the nature of the P.O. beast - or the offense is overly democratic. In either event, I'm not convinced the KenPom algorithm adequately captures the array of Floyd's skills and contributions.
Sports-ref tracks usage %
Nelson, 30.8% Mahoney, 29.2% Kostecka, 29.8% Burns, 29.2% Sestina, 27.2"
Floyd, 19.9%
Fwiw . . . Grandison, 23.8%. Butler, 22.8%. Faw, 19.5%. Green, 18.1%
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Post by hchoops on Jan 18, 2019 7:42:03 GMT -5
Does usage % count assists as much as shots, or weighs touches.? Jehyve seems to get many touches and assists as the offense frequently runs through him. Based on his teammates’s higher scores, it seems that points are weighed more heavily than shots or assists. Matt’s relatively high % seems to indicate that this formula weighs heavily shots per minutes played
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 18, 2019 8:07:37 GMT -5
The formula for "usage percentage" does emphasize shots - both from the floor and the line - as well as TOs. Grandison, Butler, and Faw all have more FGA per 40 than Floyd, Green about the same as JF.
The question remains - does it make sense for a would-be PoY, who's among the national leaders in FG%, to take just 13% of the shots?
www.nbastuffer.com/analytics101/usage-rate/
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 18, 2019 8:19:42 GMT -5
Aren't his number of shots increasing as more league games are being played? I know his ppg is creeping up every game.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 18, 2019 8:33:31 GMT -5
Aren't his number of shots increasing as more league games are being played? I know his ppg is creeping up every game. Yes. Overall, Jehyve is taking 9.8 FGA per forty minutes. In conference, it's 12.2.
While I wouldn't trust myself to do the math, I do generally trust Offensive Rating, Defensive Rating, and (to a lesser extent) "Box /-" and Win Shares as the most comprehensive statistical ways to evaluate performance and contributions to team success. There are only two players in the league who currently rank in the top five of all four categories - Mahoney and Floyd.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 18, 2019 12:59:49 GMT -5
From Ken Pomeroy
7:41 PM (3 hours ago) It's a combination of a player's value to his team (mostly offensive rating and %poss) and his team's rating. Jehyve's pedestrian usage is what's holding him back.
Ken-- So Floyd's "problems" seem to be two-fold:
1. Pomeroy's formula may overweight offense - defense (other than counting stats like blocks) harder to quantify. 2. Usage - i.e., JF doesn't "get enough touches," the offense doesn't "go through him" on a regular basis. Aka, "Get Jehyve the damn ball."
Depending on your point of view, this is ok - in the nature of the P.O. beast - or the offense is overly democratic. In either event, I'm not convinced the KenPom algorithm adequately captures the array of Floyd's skills and contributions.
Sports-ref tracks usage %
Nelson, 30.8% Mahoney, 29.2% Kostecka, 29.8% Burns, 29.2% Sestina, 27.2"
Floyd, 19.9%
Fwiw . . . Grandison, 23.8%. Butler, 22.8%. Faw, 19.5%. Green, 18.1%
These numbers are inexcusable.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 18, 2019 13:45:42 GMT -5
Does usage % count assists as much as shots, or weighs touches.? Jehyve seems to get many touches and assists as the offense frequently runs through him. Based on his teammates’s higher scores, it seems that shots are weighed more heavily than shots or assists. Matt’s relatively high % seems to indicate that this formula weighs heavily shots per minutes played It counts assists - but obviously not touches.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 18, 2019 13:58:31 GMT -5
At least 9 shots in 7 of the last 9 games.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 11, 2019 8:05:05 GMT -5
KY, what's KenPom's current take here?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2019 8:54:51 GMT -5
KY, what's KenPom's current take here? Patriot League all-kenpom.com
Rank Player
1 Sa'eed Nelson, American (Jr)
2 Andrew Kostecka, Loyola MD (Jr)
3 Max Mahoney, Boston University (Jr)
4 Nate Sestina, Bucknell (Sr)
5 Jordan Burns, Colgate (So
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Post by hchoops on Feb 11, 2019 10:22:25 GMT -5
logical
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 11, 2019 12:24:27 GMT -5
KY, what's KenPom's current take here? Patriot League all-kenpom.com
Rank Player
1 Sa'eed Nelson, American (Jr)
2 Andrew Kostecka, Loyola MD (Jr)
3 Max Mahoney, Boston University (Jr)
4 Nate Sestina, Bucknell (Sr)
5 Jordan Burns, Colgate (SoI think you have to have a Lehigh player on here, don't you? All due respect to Kostecka and/or Mahoney, but their squads are currently tied for last in the PL. Last year, Sa'eed put up much better numbers overall than Andre Walker at Loyola, but was penalized because AU was DFL in the PL. I don't have a preference among Tejada/Lucroy/Cohen, but one of them has to be here, I think. i get KenPom is all about the numbers, so if this is just a stats-based ranking, okay. But it doesn't pass the eyeball test IMHO.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 11, 2019 13:03:40 GMT -5
Patriot League all-kenpom.com
Rank Player
1 Sa'eed Nelson, American (Jr)
2 Andrew Kostecka, Loyola MD (Jr)
3 Max Mahoney, Boston University (Jr)
4 Nate Sestina, Bucknell (Sr)
5 Jordan Burns, Colgate (So I think you have to have a Lehigh player on here, don't you? All due respect to Kostecka and/or Mahoney, but their squads are currently tied for last in the PL. Last year, Sa'eed put up much better numbers overall than Andre Walker at Loyola, but was penalized because AU was DFL in the PL. I don't have a preference among Tejada/Lucroy/Cohen, but one of them has to be here, I think. i get KenPom is all about the numbers, so if this is just a stats-based ranking, okay. But it doesn't pass the eyeball test IMHO. I don't think a player should be penalized for being on a weak team if he is, in fact, an outstanding performer. Now when you talk about "Most Valuable Player", rather than "All Star", you see the team's finish come into the discussion more often.
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Post by Ray on Feb 11, 2019 13:18:02 GMT -5
I can't believe we're still debating a computer ranking.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 17, 2019 10:07:49 GMT -5
Some changes to the All KenPom team
1 Sa'eed Nelson, American (Jr)
2 Andrew Kostecka, Loyola MD (Jr)
3 Nate Sestina, Bucknell (Sr) was # 4
4 Max Mahoney, Boston University (Jr) was #3
5 Rapolas Ivanauskas, Colgate (So)--NEW to the list, replacing teammate Jordan Burns who missed 5 games
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Post by sader81 on Feb 17, 2019 11:10:17 GMT -5
On Wednesday, right before the national anthem, Ivanauskas was getting in line near my court side seat. I called out to him a greeting in his native Lithuanian; he looked a bit stunned, then walked over and shook my hand and we exchanged Lithuanian pleasantries. I was half rooting for him until he buried the three the end! Wish we took a harder look at recruiting Lithuanian kids. It’s .a hotbed for basketball
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 17, 2019 11:13:26 GMT -5
Ivanauskas was the difference in OT yesterday, scoring nine of 'Gate's twelve points.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 20, 2019 7:38:42 GMT -5
Some changes to the All KenPom team--Ivanauskas climbing the ladder
1 Sa'eed Nelson, American (Jr)
2 Andrew Kostecka, Loyola MD (Jr)
3 Rapolas Ivanauskas, Colgate (So)--
4 Max Mahoney, Boston University (Jr)
5 Nate Sestina, Bucknell (Sr)
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 20, 2019 8:14:42 GMT -5
Nelson, Kostecka, and Ivanauskas all look like locks for 1st team PL at this point. Mahoney close to a lock.
Jehyve should still be in contention. There have been a couple years, I think, when six player have been named to the first team.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 24, 2019 15:47:51 GMT -5
Jordan Burns of Colgate is back on the team, replacing Sestina at number 5
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Post by bison137 on Feb 24, 2019 17:38:34 GMT -5
Jordan Burns of Colgate is back on the team, replacing Sestina at number 5 Hope Burns took a screen shot, as Sestina has again passed him. He could have had a huge game today, as LC seemingly couldn't guard him, but Davis used the BU starters sparingly. Sestina played 15 minutes and had 11 points (on five shots) and 7 rebounds. No foul trouble.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 24, 2019 17:43:57 GMT -5
Jordan Burns of Colgate is back on the team, replacing Sestina at number 5 Hope Burns took a screen shot, as Sestina has again passed him. He could have had a huge game today, as LC seemingly couldn't guard him, but Davis used the BU starters sparingly. Sestina played 15 minutes and had 11 points (on five shots) and 7 rebounds. No foul trouble. That is just too funny!!
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