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Post by lou on Jan 6, 2019 19:30:19 GMT -5
Pat Benzan's O-Ratings per KenPom Soph= 105.7 Junior= 99.0 Senior= 108.0 I am not sue if these ratings are good or not, but I admit I expect more offense from PB. He is the most experienced player and I suspect has the most career game minutes of any other player on the team. IMO we should be getting more offensive production from him. I believe the comment today from the play by play guys was nobody is even covering Benzan. Sorry to say that pretty much sums up his contributions to our offense this year.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 6, 2019 19:55:03 GMT -5
Well, here's Pat's stat line for today:
3 of 4 shooting; 2 for 2 at the free throw line; 8 points; 1 rebound; 2 assists; 1 turnover; 1 steal; 1 foul in 30 minutes. I don't think that's too bad.
Caleb's line:
1 for 7 shooting; 0 for 3 from 3; 1 of 2 from the free throw line; 3 points; 5 rebounds; 4 assists; 3 turnovers; 0 steals; 3 fouls in 40 minutes.
Don't get me wrong, I think Caleb is generally the better player. My point is, we didn't lose this game because of Pat.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 6, 2019 20:05:47 GMT -5
Benzan knows his limitations on offense and picks his spots very nicely. He’s crafty enough that he’s able to score around the trees near the basket, but doesn’t force it. He rarely shoots from the perimeter as his shot isn’t consistent enough. I think Benzan is giving us everything he realistically can on offense from a scoring perspective. Nails it +1 We could have used more Pat Benzans in the program over the last couple years.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 6, 2019 20:10:49 GMT -5
Nobody was suggesting that about the game today-clearly a team, that as a team, fell short on the objective
Comments, at least on my end, are we have other options/rotations that might be equal or better if given a chance.
I also acknowledged I am not a coach, not at practice, and wouldn’t pretend to understand the chemistry of the team
But then again I am not sure any of us qualify by those standards. After all we are all fans who only want the best for the program and will naturally have a wide range of opinions
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Post by efg72 on Jan 6, 2019 20:13:15 GMT -5
Benzan knows his limitations on offense and picks his spots very nicely. He’s crafty enough that he’s able to score around the trees near the basket, but doesn’t force it. He rarely shoots from the perimeter as his shot isn’t consistent enough. I think Benzan is giving us everything he realistically can on offense from a scoring perspective. Nails it +1 We could have used more Pat Benzans in the program over the last couple years. Agree with the comment it is only the role where we might have a difference of opinion
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Post by possum on Jan 6, 2019 20:34:12 GMT -5
Very poorly played game today by both teams neither really deserved to win. Abdullah far and away best player on the floor today,dominated Green didnt allow the mid range jumpers Green has been living on this season. EFG not sure who you think are better options than Benzan, Copeland has shown little in the numerous opportunities he's been given and it's obvious Carmody has no confidence in CLS or Zignorski (not sure what the one minute cameo for CLS today was all about). As far as the freshmen go it seems Carmody only plays them when there is no other choice like last year and when Charles was a frosh. Based on the first week of league action it doesn't look to me like there will be any 15 plus win teams as just about every game has been very competitive.
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Post by lou on Jan 6, 2019 20:39:24 GMT -5
Benzan replaced Faw, so that's a clear option which Carmody is choosing right now
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Post by classof83 on Jan 6, 2019 20:54:59 GMT -5
I like PB for his hard nose play and aggressiveness, but let s face it - he is a guard who has attempted 11 3-pointers in 393 minutes this season and has hit 3 of them. CL has attempted the same number of 3's in 51 minutes and has hit 5 of them. I am not suggesting that CL should get more minutes than PB, but a senior guard with the number of minutes Pat has played has to do better than that. His outside shot should be developed by now.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 6, 2019 20:58:27 GMT -5
Very poorly played game today by both teams neither really deserved to win. Abdullah far and away best player on the floor today,dominated Green didnt allow the mid range jumpers Green has been living on this season.EFG not sure who you think are better options than Benzan, Copeland has shown little in the numerous opportunities he's been given and it's obvious Carmody has no confidence in CLS or Zignorski (not sure what the one minute cameo for CLS today was all about). As far as the freshmen go it seems Carmody only plays them when there is no other choice like last year and when Charles was a frosh. Based on the first week of league action it doesn't look to me like there will be any 15 plus win teams as just about every game has been very competitive. I was at the game today and Abdullah was very impressive. Best player on Navy BY FAR. He is almost unselfish to a fault but an absolute assassin when he decides to take over.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 6, 2019 21:07:18 GMT -5
In my thirteenth season of following Holy Cross basketball, I can FINALLY say I saw us play a Men's Basketball game at Navy. Not counting newcomers Loyola and BU, it had for nearly a decade been the only Patriot League campus that I had not seen an HC sporting event of some kind.
Tough loss today obviously. I really thought we would pull away in the second half with Floyd back in the game. It's unbelievable how much we get manhandled without him on the floor as was the case for 16 min of the first half. Navy won the offensive rebound battle today 17-3. At times Austin Butler was playing center on defense. Navy was called for EIGHT travels today and still managed to win.
I still like this team to compete with all comers in the league, which looks stronger than usual this year with some depth at the top. If Floyd stays out of foul trouble and we don't waste possessions by forcing shots, this will continue to be a strong season.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 6, 2019 21:31:52 GMT -5
In my thirteenth season of following Holy Cross basketball, I can FINALLY say I saw us play a Men's Basketball game at Navy. Not counting newcomers Loyola and BU, it had for nearly a decade been the only Patriot League campus that I had not seen an HC sporting event of some kind. Tough loss today obviously. I really thought we would pull away in the second half with Floyd back in the game. It's unbelievable how much we get manhandled without him on the floor as was the case for 16 min of the first half. Navy won the offensive rebound battle today 17-3. At times Austin Butler was playing center on defense. Navy was called for EIGHT travels today and still managed to win. I still like this team to compete with all comers in the league, which looks stronger than usual this year with some depth at the top. If Floyd stays out of foul trouble and we don't waste possessions by forcing shots, this will continue to be a strong season. Don’t forget, Faw and Grandy were playing with 2 fouls late in the first half, and were playing tentatively. Unfortunately, it caried over to the 2d half. These guys are sophs, people forget that! Just a frustrating loss, nonetheless.
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Post by billy72 on Jan 6, 2019 22:04:35 GMT -5
Nate Pine is gone ?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 6, 2019 22:26:54 GMT -5
I was at the game today and Abdullah was very impressive. Best player on Navy BY FAR. He is almost unselfish to a fault but an absolute assassin when he decides to take over. Abdullah was very good last year, put up terrible numbers in the OOC this season, but was a one-man gang in the win over Colgate - one rebound, two assists short of a triple-double today. PoW, I would guess.
The Middies can't shoot straight, but they do have multiple guys who get after it on the glass - soph Luke Loehr came off the bench to snare seven bounds in 13 minutes and frosh Greg Summers added another seven in 22 minutes.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2019 6:28:32 GMT -5
Very poorly played game today by both teams neither really deserved to win. Abdullah far and away best player on the floor today,dominated Green didnt allow the mid range jumpers Green has been living on this season.EFG not sure who you think are better options than Benzan, Copeland has shown little in the numerous opportunities he's been given and it's obvious Carmody has no confidence in CLS or Zignorski (not sure what the one minute cameo for CLS today was all about). As far as the freshmen go it seems Carmody only plays them when there is no other choice like last year and when Charles was a frosh. Based on the first week of league action it doesn't look to me like there will be any 15 plus win teams as just about every game has been very competitive. I was at the game today and Abdullah was very impressive. Best player on Navy BY FAR. He is almost unselfish to a fault but an absolute assassin when he decides to take over. At least a few of his shots were made with defenders in his face, for sure.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 7, 2019 6:33:11 GMT -5
Very poorly played game today by both teams neither really deserved to win. Abdullah far and away best player on the floor today,dominated Green didnt allow the mid range jumpers Green has been living on this season. EFG not sure who you think are better options than Benzan, Copeland has shown little in the numerous opportunities he's been given and it's obvious Carmody has no confidence in CLS or Zignorski (not sure what the one minute cameo for CLS today was all about). As far as the freshmen go it seems Carmody only plays them when there is no other choice like last year and when Charles was a frosh. Based on the first week of league action it doesn't look to me like there will be any 15 plus win teams as just about every game has been very competitive. possum, just curious: do you have any inside info on Ziggy? I just can't accept that Coach Carm no longer has confidence in him. In the few games he has played, he didn't appear to be moving around all that well. This is a kid who was in the regular rotation as a freshman; played in the NCAA tournament games.
Prior to the season, I was expecting perhaps a combined 15 minutes a game between Ziggy and Hargis.
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Post by joe on Jan 7, 2019 7:13:18 GMT -5
Would bet 99% are fans of Austin and doubt people think he is selfish, but instead an intense competitor and leader that needs to take charge-the staff just needs to teach him how to manage his role over the next two years. I believe Matt and Conor will be real leaders if not more by time they are seniors With respect to Ziggy -I agree and can only assume he is injured or there are other issues Seems like Carm has a very long leash for AB. Other guys get pulled more quickly for similar mistakes. His value in other areas must negative these.
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Post by possum on Jan 7, 2019 7:26:02 GMT -5
No inside info on MZ but it's a very curious situation last year played 17 minutes a game this year virtually nothing. Maybe there's some type of injury but there has been no confirmation of that. To my untrained eye he seems to be heavier this year. It sure would be nice if the limited press coverage we do get would ask some of these questions.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 7, 2019 10:22:30 GMT -5
No inside info on MZ but it's a very curious situation last year played 17 minutes a game this year virtually nothing. Maybe there's some type of injury but there has been no confirmation of that. To my untrained eye he seems to be heavier this year. It sure would be nice if the limited press coverage we do get would ask some of these questions. The Ziggy of a couple years ago would help the team, give some people a rest at least; but the big deficiency is still getting some minutes out of a larger/stronger person. No one on the bench ready, apparently; save for Niego.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 7, 2019 11:07:17 GMT -5
I warned everyone in my season prediction thread... not like you needed me to say it. HC's bugaboo is that they are far more likely to lose the games they "should" win, rather than win the games they are not expected to win.
36.7% from field and 25% from 3pt... we actually shot BETTER from 2pt range if you can believe it, with these atrocious numbers, and still lost.
Is it a young team? Is it the Curse of the Crusader? I don't know, but these happen every year. We never seem to have a "take care of business" team that wins the chalk consistently, keeps the bettors happy, and has us inappropriately optimistic to pull off some truly big wins.
Instead, these clunkers come along and keep us very well grounded, if not pessimistic, in the more mediocre performance of the past 15 years on average.
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Post by cmo on Jan 7, 2019 11:17:57 GMT -5
And if we are to get back to the dance, these losses really hurt our chances of getting to the 14 seed or better line.
It’s grest to get in. But if we’re a 16 playing duke or in the PIG, it loses a bit of its luster.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 7, 2019 11:26:33 GMT -5
I was at the game today and Abdullah was very impressive. Best player on Navy BY FAR. He is almost unselfish to a fault but an absolute assassin when he decides to take over. Abdullah was very good last year, put up terrible numbers in the OOC this season, but was a one-man gang in the win over Colgate - one rebound, two assists short of a triple-double today. PoW, I would guess.
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Yes, quite likely. Sestina had 49 points and 21 rebounds in his two games - hitting a very high pct of shots - but going only 1-1 in the two games will probably cost him.
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Post by nhteamer on Jan 7, 2019 11:31:03 GMT -5
That was a very bad loss
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Post by hchoops on Jan 7, 2019 11:43:31 GMT -5
The few HC highlights, plus the last Lehigh hoop
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 7, 2019 11:48:55 GMT -5
Not accusing you of making this excuse, but this one drives me crazy. Based on my math, Carmody has brought in 13 scholarship players over the past four years, with the opportunity to bring in 14. Out of those 13 used, FOUR are currently contributing to this year. (Maybe it would be five if Niego stayed healthy, but still a totally unacceptable hit rate) When you manage a roster that poorly, youth cannot be an excuse. *Edited to 4 contributors from previous mistake
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 7, 2019 11:54:09 GMT -5
BCC, help me (us?) out here, how many of 13 recruits should be helping out here? All 13? 10? 6? Pretty sure that no team has equal contributions from the entire bench. While some coaches use a very long bench, that might well just be a philosophical thing. Not everyone is an equal star.
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