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Post by joutsHC77 on Jan 7, 2019 16:28:42 GMT -5
To date, the men's record is 3-12-2 while the women's record is 1-18-2. Admittedly, the women's move facing increased competition in Hockey East is partly reasonable. The men are not producing a successful season. Not good results on Mt. St. James and seems far removed from the Minnesota victory years ago.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 7, 2019 18:30:16 GMT -5
You may well have a point about men's hockey but the women's program was successful for many years at the level of play they were at previously. To say that moving to Hockey East was "partly" the reason is an understatement IMHO.
It does bring up an interesting point that has been brought up frequently on Crossports about other sports - a kind of chicken or the egg thing. Some feel that if we changed leagues, we would attract better athletes. Others feel that if we had better athletes and won more at our own level in hockey or PL for other sports, we would be more attractive and get opportunities into "higher" leagues.
Let's see how the women are doing in hockey in 3-4 years and if we start getting higher caliber recruits in the next year or two now that they are in HE despite the losing record.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 7, 2019 18:50:24 GMT -5
Perhaps all of this is a plot by the athletic administration to reduce fan interest and thus justify not expanding the capacity of the HC rink.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 8, 2019 2:59:15 GMT -5
Do you think the leading scorer leaves if HC was in hockey east? I know he went to the best conference in the nation but I think he battles through it if holy cross was in hockey east as seen by the professional success of Merrimack, Providence, and Lowell players before they were anything great.
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Post by cruskater31 on Jan 8, 2019 9:40:02 GMT -5
Perhaps all of this is a plot by the athletic administration to reduce fan interest and thus justify not expanding the capacity of the HC rink. I wonder how the attendance has been at HC this season. Unfortunately with my coaching schedule I haven't gotten back to a men's game this year. They had been packing the place for some games (particularly local foes) in recent years. On the live stream, I think the Providence game as well as the home opener seemed pretty well attended. If so, the plan is backfiring! On a serious note, I think the Hockey East teams in the area bring a decent amount of fans as exhibited by the PC game as well as the last few home/neutral games against HE teams. On the women's side of things, I swear some of my friends who played in the 2006-2012 range had better talent as well as Hockey East offers than some more recent players (up to the last two classes preparing for the move to Hockey East). I think the top end talent might have been better but the depth after the 2nd line was not there and in no ways comparable to today. I think with the better depth players comes better play as the team is able to comfortable cycle 4 lines and not worry about a complete mismatch. From there comes the higher end talent. It wouldn't hurt to steal a good recruit from programs like Nobles, Tabor, St. Paul's, New Hampton, etc. It seems like the prep schools are making a comeback in sending players to D1 schools after a long stretch of coaches preferring girls from club teams. BC's current roster, although with girls who played on both high school and club teams, includes just two who played exclusively for their prep varsity program. It would be a shame to see women's coaches joining the ranks of the men's coaches asking players to "do a year of juniors" before coming to college. If a kid is playing on a mediocre team or an average public high school, I can understand it. The talent at one of the aforementioned programs, however, is so strong I would be shocked if they were asked to play club also. We have seen it recently where even DIII schools are looking for boys from prep powerhouses to go play in the USHL, NAHL, BCHL, AJ, etc. before matriculating. That's a story for another day. In any event, wonder if a new men's coach would draw on different talent. Pearl seemed to recruit better in the great white north as well as in New England...Just sayin'
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 8, 2019 10:29:08 GMT -5
Much like lax, recruiting is done well in advance of the player's entry into college. here you will fInd the 'women's' commitments around the country. I count 6 for HC next season and one for 2020 (probably more in actuality). Maybe a poster knows more than I about determining the quality of next year's class. (Note how active 'LIU Brooklyn' is having just announced a new D.1 program) www.collegecommitments.com/CommitList.aspx?x7cq9=FEMALE
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2019 10:37:06 GMT -5
Is junior Rachel Moore a transfer from Boston College?
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 8, 2019 12:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 8, 2019 13:15:25 GMT -5
Thanks, haze.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 8, 2019 17:33:26 GMT -5
The NCAA flexibility in allowing schools to decide which division to participate in for hockey, as well as the benign neglect (rest in peace RMN) many leagues practice about where their members skate appears to be allowing schools to dip their toe in a D-1 sport to see how the water is.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 8, 2019 19:03:56 GMT -5
don't follow yours above - which schools are you referring to ?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 8, 2019 20:06:09 GMT -5
The NCAA flexibility in allowing schools to decide which division to participate in for hockey, as well as the benign neglect (rest in peace RMN) many leagues practice about where their members skate appears to be allowing schools to dip their toe in a D-1 sport to see how the water is. Yeah, who's in Division 1 hockey that wasn't in Division 1 hockey previously (schools like St. Lawrence, Clarkson, etc already had this arrangement) or isn't D1 in other sports anyway? LIU is merging two schools into one athletic program under the banner of the previously D1 school.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 8, 2019 22:22:08 GMT -5
I was thinking of schools like Bentley, Merrimack, Mercyhurst, AIC. I was also thinking of UMass Lowell, which I believe was D-2 before they transitioned in all sports to D-1, and was D-1 in hockey before moving up lock, stock and barrel. Like a good journalist I am printing this without checking the facts first.
If Assumption chose to go D-1 in hockey and joined Atlantic Hockey, HC could have a cross town rival.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 9, 2019 8:24:07 GMT -5
I was thinking of schools like Bentley, Merrimack, Mercyhurst, AIC. I was also thinking of UMass Lowell, which I believe was D-2 before they transitioned in all sports to D-1, and was D-1 in hockey before moving up lock, stock and barrel. Like a good journalist I am printing this without checking the facts first. If Assumption chose to go D-1 in hockey and joined Atlantic Hockey, HC could have a cross town rival. You can only play up in hockey as D2 schools can’t play down and be eligible for the ncaa tourney. This is also true with Hobart, Johns Hopkins, and Bellarmine Lacrosse who play d-1
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 9, 2019 9:08:48 GMT -5
I was thinking of schools like Bentley, Merrimack, Mercyhurst, AIC. I was also thinking of UMass Lowell, which I believe was D-2 before they transitioned in all sports to D-1, and was D-1 in hockey before moving up lock, stock and barrel. Like a good journalist I am printing this without checking the facts first. If Assumption chose to go D-1 in hockey and joined Atlantic Hockey, HC could have a cross town rival. The big thing you have to keep in mind is there is no such thing as D2 hockey, so if you're a D2 athletics program and you want to play championship hockey, the rules force you to play D1. So it's not so much dipping their toes in the water as it is the by-product of necessity. I suppose as a D2, you could play D3 but would be ineligible for NCAA tournament participation, much like HC's women's program before the move to HE.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 9, 2019 11:29:25 GMT -5
I learned something, thanks. I knew HC had been ineligible for the D-3 NCAA tournament, but didn't realize that extended to D-2 schools. Makes sense.
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