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Post by timholycross on Jan 9, 2019 14:07:00 GMT -5
Anyone know come the double round robin is so out of order? For example, Loyola is games 1 and 6; Navy is 2 and 8. Both Colgate games are later in the season. Several other examples of that.
I'm used to seeing the BU game moved around a bit, but all the others too? And I can see if there was some kind of schedule where not everyone played everyone else twice, there would be this sort of thing.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 9, 2019 15:42:55 GMT -5
maybe the league is finally listening to the schools' preferences vis a vis travel and academic schedules.
one thing I note is that the men/women dh's are back on 2 jan weekends, this saturday and the 19th
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Post by Tom on Jan 9, 2019 16:32:42 GMT -5
Without having an open date in the middle and an odd number of opponents, the Wednesday/Saturday would flip at the mid point if you went in the same order twice. They used to do that before there were 10 teams, but there was an open date somewhere in the middle. When they went to 10 teams a few years back they handled it by having BU first and then again last. Once school is back in session, the only mid week opponents are BU, Army, and Colgate. Seems like a real smart idea this shake-up
Good catch on the double header. I hadn't noticed
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Post by bigfan on Jan 10, 2019 10:08:25 GMT -5
Why complain about the schedule, just play the games, it all evens out at the end.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2019 15:08:03 GMT -5
I like the double headers. I also like Friday night/Sunday afternoon game road trips to opponents in the same relative geographic area for missing the least class time and having the most efficient spending on travel. I am sure there are also compelling reasons to do it exactly the way it is being done this year and a huge amount of collaboration and discussion went in to the current schedule arrangements. And I am sure the pendulum will swing back (and forth) in the future.
I was friendly with a couple with a son who was a reserve for four years for an Ivy league basketball team in the 80's. Friday-Sunday is how their away games were scheduled as I recall. The couple made two weekend trips per season to away games and got to all the league campuses over four years. The wife wanted to make each trip like a second honeymoon, filled with wine and roses. The husband wanted to save money and eat at McDonalds. Naturally the wife prevailed.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 10, 2019 16:20:46 GMT -5
I would not be in favor of Friday night/Sunday afternoon games.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 10, 2019 16:34:27 GMT -5
maybe the league is finally listening to the schools' preferences vis a vis travel and academic schedules. one thing I note is that the men/women dh's are back on 2 jan weekends, this saturday and the 19th Just a friendly reminder that the schedule is not created independent of school input or preferences. The schedules might originate with league staff, but they're done with parameters set forth by the membership, and usually completed with some level of membership approval before being publicized. This is largely the case across the board with a few exceptions. Some larger conferences utilize an outside firm for assistance on schedule creation because of all the key players involved named TV, TV and TV. There's this sentiment floating around that the league just does things on its own independent of any direction from the membership, and in the vast majority of instances that's simply untrue. The conference is, by definition, a membership-driven organization. Of course there are times when the league has to make a decision on something, usually in a time crunch, but typically those powers are bestowed in the by-laws which are written by and approved by the membership. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2019 17:14:24 GMT -5
maybe the league is finally listening to the schools' preferences vis a vis travel and academic schedules. one thing I note is that the men/women dh's are back on 2 jan weekends, this saturday and the 19th Just a friendly reminder that the schedule is not created independent of school input or preferences. The schedules might originate with league staff, but they're done with parameters set forth by the membership, and usually completed with some level of membership approval before being publicized. This is largely the case across the board with a few exceptions. Some larger conferences utilize an outside firm for assistance on schedule creation because of all the key players involved named TV, TV and TV. There's this sentiment floating around that the league just does things on its own independent of any direction from the membership, and in the vast majority of instances that's simply untrue. The conference is, by definition, a membership-driven organization. Of course there are times when the league has to make a decision on something, usually in a time crunch, but typically those powers are bestowed in the by-laws which are written by and approved by the membership. It sure looks like it was school influenced. From a strictly academic standpoint, this is a great schedule for HC. 3 of the 4 longest trips are during Christmas break. Only American on a Saturday is during classes. HC was one of the schools pushing to get rid of double headers. I have heard Coach Gibbons say that he would like to see a return to some doubleheaders, and now it has happened. Seems like these changes are pro-HC |
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 10, 2019 17:36:02 GMT -5
longsuffering, to your post above, the Ivy league has never had a Friday-Sunday weekend schedule - it's always been Friday-Saturday and that is conducive to families attending games. It doesn't seem to hurt their performances on Saturday nights which is interesting. (With few exceptions, they do not play weekday games in the league) Their women do the same thing but at the opposite venues
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Post by bison137 on Jan 10, 2019 18:36:35 GMT -5
longsuffering, to your post above, the Ivy league has never had a Friday-Sunday weekend schedule - it's always been Friday-Saturday and that is conducive to families attending games. It doesn't seem to hurt their performances on Saturday nights which is interesting. Not sure how you measured that, but I know the away teams this past year had a 7-17 record in the Saturday night games. No idea how they've done in other years, but it has to be tough to play a Friday night game in one place and then travel to a different site on Saturday. Especially if it is a trip from Columbia to Ithaca, or from Harvard to Dartmouth. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2019 22:14:24 GMT -5
Thanks Purplehaze, I thought I might have remembered Fri-Sat, but then dismissed it in my mind because I thought it placed the games too close together. It does make traveling for fans convenient if, for example the two Lehigh Valley teams are scheduled in the same weekend or HC and BU were scheduled in the same weekend for visiting teams. I am sure the current schedule is the best combination of pros and cons for all interests, although I hope Stadium TV was not given the same deference as network TV!
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Post by princetoncrusader on Jan 10, 2019 22:27:36 GMT -5
I like the double headers. I also like Friday night/Sunday afternoon game road trips to opponents in the same relative geographic area for missing the least class time and having the most efficient spending on travel. I am sure there are also compelling reasons to do it exactly the way it is being done this year and a huge amount of collaboration and discussion went in to the current schedule arrangements. And I am sure the pendulum will swing back (and forth) in the future. I was friendly with a couple with a son who was a reserve for four years for an Ivy league basketball team in the 80's. Friday-Sunday is how their away games were scheduled as I recall. The couple made two weekend trips per season to away games and got to all the league campuses over four years. The wife wanted to make each trip like a second honeymoon, filled with wine and roses. The husband wanted to save money and eat at McDonalds. Naturally the wife prevailed. Friday night/Saturday night has been the schedule in the Ivy for years. This year, Princeton and Penn are playing each other on consecutive Saturdays, which is a first. |
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Post by bison137 on Jan 10, 2019 22:58:18 GMT -5
I like the double headers. I also like Friday night/Sunday afternoon game road trips to opponents in the same relative geographic area for missing the least class time and having the most efficient spending on travel. I am sure there are also compelling reasons to do it exactly the way it is being done this year and a huge amount of collaboration and discussion went in to the current schedule arrangements. And I am sure the pendulum will swing back (and forth) in the future. I was friendly with a couple with a son who was a reserve for four years for an Ivy league basketball team in the 80's. Friday-Sunday is how their away games were scheduled as I recall. The couple made two weekend trips per season to away games and got to all the league campuses over four years. The wife wanted to make each trip like a second honeymoon, filled with wine and roses. The husband wanted to save money and eat at McDonalds. Naturally the wife prevailed. Friday night/Saturday night has been the schedule in the Ivy for years. This year, Princeton and Penn are playing each other on consecutive Saturdays, which is a first. The Ivy League does the scheduling for all of the teams' mandated Friday-Saturday games, where the four pairs of teams (Princeton-Penn, Cornell-Columbia, Yale-Brown, and Harvard-Dartmouth) play Friday-Saturday doubleheaders. But, as you likely know, they leave it to the two teams in each pair to schedule their own games between each other. Those games can be scheduled during the week (usually on a Tuesday) or before the rest of the Ivy schedule starts. Last year, Penn and Princeton played each other in early January - before the start of the regular league schedule - and then on a Tuesday in February. That has been basically true for a number of years - with one game always in early January and the other on a Tuesday later in the season. It used to be that the second game was often played on the Tuesday following the end of the regular Ivy schedule. I don't think that date works any more due to the Ivy Tournament. |
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 11, 2019 11:39:37 GMT -5
Just a friendly reminder that the schedule is not created independent of school input or preferences. The schedules might originate with league staff, but they're done with parameters set forth by the membership, and usually completed with some level of membership approval before being publicized. This is largely the case across the board with a few exceptions. Some larger conferences utilize an outside firm for assistance on schedule creation because of all the key players involved named TV, TV and TV. There's this sentiment floating around that the league just does things on its own independent of any direction from the membership, and in the vast majority of instances that's simply untrue. The conference is, by definition, a membership-driven organization. Of course there are times when the league has to make a decision on something, usually in a time crunch, but typically those powers are bestowed in the by-laws which are written by and approved by the membership. It sure looks like it was school influenced. From a strictly academic standpoint, this is a great schedule for HC. 3 of the 4 longest trips are during Christmas break. Only American on a Saturday is during classes. HC was one of the schools pushing to get rid of double headers. I have heard Coach Gibbons say that he would like to see a return to some doubleheaders, and now it has happened. Seems like these changes are pro-HC It might be an advantageous schedule for HC this year, and it might take 10 years for that to happen again, depending on how the rotation works out in future years. Next year, it's likely another school whose schedule lines up in a way that appears beneficial or advantageous. It happens in a lot of sports, not just basketball. The changes maybe appear pro-HC because HC's opinion happened to be in the majority this time around when scheduling parameters and philosophies were discussed. But more often than not schedules are being looked at over a several-year period and how the advantages and disadvantageous wash each other out over that period of time. |
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