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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 9, 2019 21:15:03 GMT -5
If we are being honest, we look at the minutes and see 8 men contributing tonight (and Copeland getting back in the flow). Does CLS having a stat line of playing two minutes and committing one foul mean that he actually contributed tonight? This team has six guys capable of playing regular minutes. That’s abundantly clear to anyone watching.
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Post by sonsofspitler on Jan 9, 2019 21:16:25 GMT -5
If we are being honest, we look at the minutes and see 8 men contributing tonight (and Copeland getting back in the flow). The 7th and 8th men are not contributing in a meaningful manner. This team is not deep and is REALLY missing Niego in this capacity. The team hasn't played a B+ or better game since he went down.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 9, 2019 21:17:12 GMT -5
This team will finish mid pack again, lack of depth and height at guard spot kills this team!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 9, 2019 21:19:20 GMT -5
This team has six guys capable of playing regular minutes. That’s abundantly clear to anyone watching. Most significantly, Carmody. He doesn't trust anybody beyond the six (and Niego, when he gets back)
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 9, 2019 21:21:23 GMT -5
Their 3 starting guards combined for 71 points on 52.5% shooting.
With an undersized Green, we need MUCH better defense from the other wings.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 9, 2019 21:26:05 GMT -5
Is there a reason we couldn’t try a little man tonight? They just penetrated, kicked and then moved the ball through a bunch of stationary guys at the perimeter until they got to the wide open guy, usually Tejada. Painful.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 9, 2019 21:29:26 GMT -5
The minutes received by one have been earned by his contributions over 4 years, but not by his play this year. The group will come around, but as I have said since last year we only make real progress this year as a program if Faw and Niego play and develop.
I would love a group of floyd, grandison, green, a healthy Niego and Faw with butler off the bench followed by Copeland, Benzan, LeSann and Hargis
We are better offensively, defensively we have size and length and we bring sparks off the bench
Nobody really pressures the ball in this league and if so Grandison is more than adequate
I know I’m an N-1 but as a fan and a dreamer there you have it
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 9, 2019 21:31:33 GMT -5
We were the Beast of the mid-major East in OOC play, but the M&W BB Teams are a combined 1-6 in league play. Let's hope there are some tomato cans left on the schedule. One consolation is that the two Mens' losses have been very close games (can't get much closer than OT) and continued improvement by all of the sophomores could make us tough to beat in the PLT.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 9, 2019 21:34:00 GMT -5
Make that 1-5 in league play.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 9, 2019 21:34:08 GMT -5
Is there a reason we couldn’t try a little man tonight? They just penetrated, kicked and then moved the ball through a bunch of stationary guys at the perimeter until they got to the wide open guy, usually Tejada. Painful. We don’t have the personnel for M2M. Faw and Butler would provide major matchup advantages for the opposition. A zone is fine, but our zone is undisciplined with guys flying past ball fakes, multiple guys playing the ball at the same time, the weak side falling asleep, etc.
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Post by billy72 on Jan 9, 2019 21:35:34 GMT -5
Like I said after Navy game , it’s going to be a long season !!!
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Post by efg72 on Jan 9, 2019 21:38:38 GMT -5
Is there a reason we couldn’t try a little man tonight? They just penetrated, kicked and then moved the ball through a bunch of stationary guys at the perimeter until they got to the wide open guy, usually Tejada. Painful. We don’t have the personnel for M2M. Faw and Butler would provide major matchup advantages for the opposition. A zone is fine, but our zone is undisciplined with guys flying past ball fakes, multiple guys playing the ball at the same time, the weak side falling asleep, etc. Running and flying past 3 pt shooters is not defense, certainly not disciplined and creates enormous gaps on the floor. They need to clean things up defensively and understand they can’t go up and down with others until they have the right personnel on the floor
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 9, 2019 21:39:11 GMT -5
The minutes received by one have been earned by his contributions over 4 years, but not by his play this year. The group will come around, but as I have said since last year we only make real progress this year as a program if Faw and Niego play and develop. I would love a group of floyd, grandison, green, a healthy Niego and Faw with butler off the bench followed by Copeland, Benzan, LeSann and Hargis We are better offensively, defensively we have size and length and we bring sparks off the bench Nobody really pressures the ball in this league and if so Grandison is more than adequate I know I’m an N-1 but as a fan and a dreamer there you have it I agree that Butler’s best role is approx 20 mins off the bench as an offensive spark, but starting Niego & Faw at the 3-4 would be a disaster defensively. I know you aren’t high on Benzan, but IMO we would be a better team with Green-Benzan-Grandison-Faw/Niego-Floyd as the primary group. The ball would move a lot better, Benzan is more active on defense, and the extra shots should be distributed to the other four guys.
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Post by possum on Jan 9, 2019 21:45:31 GMT -5
Just back from game very entertaining unfortunately wrong team won. Truly a game of two halfs HC was unconscious in first half and predictably came back to earth in second half. Thought Lehigh played pretty consistently throughout. Late foul shooting basically lost us the game and is becoming a big issue. Tejada put on quite a shooting display but Carmody made good move to 1-3-1 and took him out of the game for last ten minutes of regulation. Unfortunately lost him a couple of times in OT and he made us pay big time. Very tough loss and it really puts us behind the eight ball being two games behind Lehigh with a home loss. Hopefully Niego returns soon as we really need another big in the mix.
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Post by cmo on Jan 9, 2019 21:48:27 GMT -5
Ten 3’s for Tejada a Hart record?
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Post by efg72 on Jan 9, 2019 21:55:25 GMT -5
I hear you but I don’t like his ability to play this style-he gets stuck in bad positions and then forces things. If I looked at any roster I want everyone to play as hard as does-he would make my all heart and desire team but not willing to give him more than 10-12 min
Playing Faw and Niego together right now is a liability, but I would adjust the match up or straight zones—a 3-2 or even a 1-1-3 with them would work if you ocassionally trapped the corners and wings.
But the staff is set with what it wants to do and this season will give us the rotations we get—and on top of that I could be totally wrong about the approach
I really want to develop Faw and Niego, because I believe the guards coming in will give strength to the backcourt. Those I know in Michigan have told me our two recruits are great gets for our program.
This year is important for the future because the kids will need to learn how to fight through games like Navy and Lehigh and get the right outcome. In addition, this year is about how deep we can build the roster in the next two years so we will be seen as a top 100 program each and every year.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 9, 2019 21:55:37 GMT -5
Is there a reason we couldn’t try a little man tonight? They just penetrated, kicked and then moved the ball through a bunch of stationary guys at the perimeter until they got to the wide open guy, usually Tejada. Painful. Do we have the quickness or athleticism to play m2m? A good zone can cover a lot of individual deficiencies. The constant drumbeat of "athleticism" just drives me crazy. Every year in every sport we hear "HC lacks athleticism". Is every player on every opponent team athletic--super quick, a great leaper, and on and on?
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Post by efg72 on Jan 9, 2019 22:00:43 GMT -5
We are athletic enough for this league but still not quick enough
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 9, 2019 22:14:34 GMT -5
Face it guys, outside of the soph class, carmody’s recruiting record is terrible!!
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Post by timholycross on Jan 9, 2019 22:19:00 GMT -5
Who would you have benched for Faw and Copeland? Benzan and then any other player who is struggling to make plays they all impacted the outcome with missed ft The play that pissed me off was the final minute- Benzan gets stuck underneath. No time out, no kick the ball out. No, he just tries to put it up and it gets swatted away like it always does. Floyd tries to grab it out of the air (would have been a great play) but it goes oob off him. Can't keep having critical plays end up with a midget under the hoop getting his shot blocked. Last play in regulation sucked too. What's wrong with calling a time out if you end up with 10 seconds or so on the shot clock and no one is in position to do anything? Can't hurt to try something off an out-of-bounds play and with the clock stopped you effectively get extra time.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 9, 2019 22:21:07 GMT -5
The jury is out on the freshmen and next year’s class is still in high school. You are making a statement based on this year’s junior class, which might be a bit unfair and only time will tell if your overall assessment is correct.
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Post by DiMarz on Jan 9, 2019 22:21:44 GMT -5
Just got back....A very entertaining college game tonight...HC shot 70% in the first half (plus 8 for 8 from the FT line)..Lehigh is a very good team, they move the ball, shoot it it very well (47% on the season from 3), and play with confidence..A Jr /Sr. dominated team, and their guards are outstanding..Tejada was unbelievable, 10 for 13 on 3's (7 in the second half), and he was hitting shots from well beyond the NBA range..HC just couldn't close out the game, Lehigh wouldn't let them..However HC never gave up. Missed free throws really hurt in the 2nd half..A few mistakes by HC and Lehigh capitalized on everyone...One big play, IMHO, with about 2 1/2 minutes left in regulatation, HC down 81-79 did a great job on D, forcing a rushed last second 3 point shot by Andree. PB got a hand in Anree's face, the all hit the front of the rim and came straight back tot he shooter..PB had left the zone and headed down court..Andree rebounded his miss and hit Cohen (I think) who made a 3...Can't make that kind of mistake at that moment....PB new he blew it, and he was distressed over it, I hope the team can learn from it... Still, lots of good stuff tonight..JF was a monster in the first half, Lehigh came out to gaurd him, and he blew by defenders..Caleb was solid, shot it well, but did have a bad TO at the end, trying to do too much..Coach going to the 1-3-1 slowed Lehigh down..HC doesn't have the team footspeed or quickness to play man..The D was not that bad, it was good offense by Lehigh... Lehigh is a very good team, they will challenge for the PL championship...
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Post by efg72 on Jan 9, 2019 22:26:13 GMT -5
After the sting of tonight passes I think DiMarz is right. In the end this will be a race to the finish and the tournament up for grabs. Home court will be a factor
With that said Floyd might very well be a one man wrecking crew two months from now
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 9, 2019 22:30:08 GMT -5
The jury is out on the freshmen and next year’s class is still in high school. You are making a statement based on this year’s junior class, which might be a bit unfair and only time will tell if your overall assessment is correct. [br Also, you are forgetting his two senior recruits. One is gone and other hasn’t scored a point and has played about 5 mins the s year.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 9, 2019 22:33:06 GMT -5
Understand, and if I recall correctly, he came in at the very end of that recruiting cycle so I don’t give him credit or blame for that class-it was a scramble to find available bodies that were under recruited or not recruited at all.
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