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Post by rgs318 on Jan 10, 2019 9:43:49 GMT -5
Tim,
IIRC when her drove underneath at the end of the game, the replay showed the defender hit him across both arms before he took that shot. That may have been what prevented him from passing to the perimeter.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 10, 2019 10:00:16 GMT -5
The idea that Pat Benzan seems to catch the heat for every loss is getting more and more ridiculous. Is that happening? I don't see it. I will say, though -- Benzan had a chance to tie the game from the free throw line, and went 1-2. You just knew he was going to miss one, as free throws have plagued him this year, which doesn't make much sense as he shot 80% FT last season. When we are trying to ice a game away, Green and Grandison should be the only ones touching the ball. Also, of the six players who saw significant minutes last night, Benzan's ORtg was 85, while the other five were all above 100. I definitely agree that Benzan does many things that don't show up in the box score or that Pomeroy tracks, but a line of 5 points on 2-7 shooting with 5 rebounds and 3 assists in 39 minutes cannot be ignored. We lost last night's game by allowing Lehigh to dictate the pace all night. They play at one of the fastest paces in the league and beat us at their game. We didn't make them uncomfortable. It was clear they did that to us when the well dried up in the second half. One final thought. Of the 225 minutes that Carmody was able distribute around, six players played 213 minutes. This doesn't bode well. I would have hoped that Hargis would be able to crack the rotation over Copeland or CLS.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 10, 2019 10:01:14 GMT -5
Poor defense,, Lehigh found the open man after some passing around the defense. We are too slow compared to the other teams.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 10, 2019 10:04:55 GMT -5
The idea that Pat Benzan seems to catch the heat for every loss is getting more and more ridiculous. Is that happening? I don't see it. I will say, though -- Benzan had a chance to tie the game from the free throw line, and went 1-2. You just knew he was going to miss one, as free throws have plagued him this year, which doesn't make much sense as he shot 80% FT last season. When we are trying to ice a game away, Green and Grandison should be the only ones touching the ball. Also, of the six players who saw significant minutes last night, Benzan's ORtg was 85, while the other five were all above 100. I definitely agree that Benzan does many things that don't show up in the box score or that Pomeroy tracks, but a line of 5 points on 2-7 shooting with 5 rebounds and 3 assists in 39 minutes cannot be ignored. We lost last night's game by allowing Lehigh to dictate the pace all night. They play at one of the fastest paces in the league and beat us at their game. We didn't make them uncomfortable. It was clear they did that to us when the well dried up in the second half. Biggest problem with that line: 39 minutes. He is not the type of player who should be playing that much, but our roster has been so poorly managed that we had no other choice.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 10, 2019 10:05:40 GMT -5
Austin Butler had a good game on offense. Maybe his shoulder has healed?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 10, 2019 10:10:49 GMT -5
Copeland didn't play in the second half and neither did LeSann, iirc. Does that mean the first half doesn't count? Of course the first half counts - the big lead we built up allowed Carmody to give Copeland and LeSann a little burn. But when Lehigh made a game of it, they were in their usual place, on the bench - pretty clear to me the coach doesn't have a lot of confidence in either one when things get tight.
Like others here, I hope Copeland starts to see more time sooner rather than later, as he definitely shows some promise. Expecting much out of LeSann requires the triumph of hope over experience - he's had less than a handful of games in three years in which he's contributed meaningfully. Ditto Ziggy, who's declined in almost linear fashion since the OOC of his freshman year - he's always been slow for a guard, and if he's gained weight . . .
Niego's loss has more impact than it should, because he's the only guy who can help up front when Grandy, Faw, and Floyd get in foul trouble - as each has in the last two games. The roster is over-weighted with guards and small wings as a result of recruiting decisions - three more on the way in 2019 - and unanticipated off-court problems. The freshmen with size apparently aren't ready to play, even though they're needed now.
Getting Niego back will help - hopefully, Hargis can earn some trust and time as well.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 10, 2019 10:12:26 GMT -5
Is that happening? I don't see it. I will say, though -- Benzan had a chance to tie the game from the free throw line, and went 1-2. You just knew he was going to miss one, as free throws have plagued him this year, which doesn't make much sense as he shot 80% FT last season. When we are trying to ice a game away, Green and Grandison should be the only ones touching the ball. Also, of the six players who saw significant minutes last night, Benzan's ORtg was 85, while the other five were all above 100. I definitely agree that Benzan does many things that don't show up in the box score or that Pomeroy tracks, but a line of 5 points on 2-7 shooting with 5 rebounds and 3 assists in 39 minutes cannot be ignored. We lost last night's game by allowing Lehigh to dictate the pace all night. They play at one of the fastest paces in the league and beat us at their game. We didn't make them uncomfortable. It was clear they did that to us when the well dried up in the second half. Biggest problem with that line: 39 minutes. He is not the type of player who should be playing that much, but our roster has been so poorly managed that we had no other choice. Hard to disagree with you on that. In a perfect world, Butler would be a 20-25 minute a gam kind of guy, and Benzan around 18-20.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 10, 2019 11:50:52 GMT -5
I agree the depth on this team is a real issue.
Nobody is mentioning, however, what occurred about a year ago that threw the roster configuration out of whack. Some may blame CBC for the trouble Stevens and Charles got into. I have a hard time blaming CBC for their actions. I understand the buck stops with CBC, but the coaches can't watch the players 24 hours a day. Charles, if nothing else, would have added to the depth to the team and we never really got a chance to see what Stevens could do. In a conversation Stevens had with a poster on this board he mentioned that he knew was not a great offensive player, but his real strength was rebounding. We will never know if that was a true statement.
It also forced the coaches to find players to fill the holes after many other players had already committed - so why are we surprised the freshman aren't ready to play?
As for Le Sann and Copeland - I actually thought they both played relatively well for the limited time they both received. I normally think Le Sann looks lost out there - but last night I didn't get that impression. He had a great pass to PB down low as the shoot clock was running out, but then Pat missed the layup. As soon as he makes a mistake, however, CBC pulls him. He did dribble into the corner and was immediately trapped and it forced a turnover. CBC immediately pulled him. IIRC he did get a short stint in the second half and was called for a foul for pushing a guy in the back trying to get a rebound - again immediately subbed out.
Copeland had a nice 3 pointer and got an offensive rebound for a put back two-pointer.
I think both are getting better.
On the positive, the team performed well offensively when Grandy was sitting on the bench for most of the first half.
Pat still frustrates me offensively, but he had a great steal at the end of the game - I can't recall if it was in regulation or overtime, but on his one 3-point shot he didn't look like he actually wanted to take the shot. I think the lack of offense may be getting to him mentally.
Lehigh is good and if they continue to play like they did last night they will be tough to beat.
The next two games are going to be big for HC.
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Post by Ignutz on Jan 10, 2019 11:54:27 GMT -5
Does that mean the first half doesn't count? Of course the first half counts - the big lead we built up allowed Carmody to give Copeland and LeSann a little burn. But when Lehigh made a game of it, they were in their usual place, on the bench - pretty clear to me the coach doesn't have a lot of confidence in either one when things get tight.
Like others here, I hope Copeland starts to see more time sooner rather than later, as he definitely shows some promise. Expecting much out of LeSann requires the triumph of hope over experience - he's had less than a handful of games in three years in which he's contributed meaningfully. Ditto Ziggy, who's declined in almost linear fashion since the OOC of his freshman year - he's always been slow for a guard, and if he's gained weight . . .
Niego's loss has more impact than it should, because he's the only guy who can help up front when Grandy, Faw, and Floyd get in foul trouble - as each has in the last two games. The roster is over-weighted with guards and small wings as a result of recruiting decisions - three more on the way in 2019 - and unanticipated off-court problems. The freshmen with size apparently aren't ready to play, even though they're needed now.
Getting Niego back will help - hopefully, Hargis can earn some trust and time as well.
What's all this talk about Niego being out?? If you look at the caption for picture #8 in the T&G article, he played last night. If it's in the paper, it must be true.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 10, 2019 12:09:01 GMT -5
By the way, who was the big kid in sweats on the Lehigh bench who CBC had a brief conversation with before and after the game. He did not play so I don't know if he is hurt or is a transfer coming in? Is he someone HC recruited? The kid had to be in the 6'10" range.
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Post by lou on Jan 10, 2019 12:11:16 GMT -5
By the way, who was the big kid in sweats on the Lehigh bench who CBC had a brief conversation with before and after the game. He did not play so I don't know if he is hurt or is a transfer coming in? Is he someone HC recruited? The kid had to be in the 6'10" range. Believe it was Lynch
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 10, 2019 12:17:24 GMT -5
By the way, who was the big kid in sweats on the Lehigh bench who CBC had a brief conversation with before and after the game. He did not play so I don't know if he is hurt or is a transfer coming in? Is he someone HC recruited? The kid had to be in the 6'10" range. Believe it was Lynch Lynch got five minutes last night.
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Post by rickii on Jan 10, 2019 12:21:37 GMT -5
SoV -
One final thought. Of the 225 minutes that Carmody was able distribute around, six players played 213 minutes. This doesn't bode well. I would have hoped that Hargis would be able to crack the rotation over Copeland or CLS.
How has Hargis looked in practice ?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 10, 2019 12:21:54 GMT -5
Then, again, NAD, you and a slew of posters picked HC to win this game. At halftime, it sure looked, and we all including me, hoped you were right. One poster even suggested to me to remember the improbable PL tournament results a few years back, as if none of it matters, as we were in 9th place. Of course, that was in jest . . . . . . I hope. As for common ground, I think everyone can agree that the job has been made tougher with this loss. Hmmm..did I predict the W in our chat before the game last night? I could have, but as I've mentioned to some in the past, because of my silly superstitions I can never bring myself to joining in on the pick 'em contests. I thought it was a game that could either way. Thinking back, I think a real key last night was Lehigh's ability to shrink their deficit down to 12 by halftime.
Both teams battled; I'm still encouraged in that I think there is no quit in this team. But - they do have to be better in the things they are supposed to be good at. Remember, share, care and shoot. We continue to be strong at sharing, although it could be a little better (such as being more persistent in getting JF the ball). With caring, we are generally better than most, but still not quite good enough (really want to start seeing single digit turnovers). And shooting - well, we generally shoot decently (and for a half, exceptionally), but again, we need to be a little better.
Going to have to make some hay on the road.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 10, 2019 12:23:18 GMT -5
Lehigh has (had?) a kid named Jack Lieb, 6-10, who I thought had been hurt last year. Not sure if its the same kid....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 10, 2019 12:26:50 GMT -5
How has Hargis looked in practice ? Either not great or unable to pick up the offense / defense. We need more bodies out there, and if he was ready to go, I have to believe Carmody would have called his number.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 10, 2019 12:28:47 GMT -5
Poor defense,, Lehigh found the open man after some passing around the defense. We are too slow compared to the other teams. If we are so slow, how come Lehigh couldn't come close to guarding our guys in the first half?
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Post by rickii on Jan 10, 2019 13:55:02 GMT -5
Is that happening? I don't see it. I will say, though -- Benzan had a chance to tie the game from the free throw line, and went 1-2. You just knew he was going to miss one, as free throws have plagued him this year, which doesn't make much sense as he shot 80% FT last season. When we are trying to ice a game away, Green and Grandison should be the only ones touching the ball. Also, of the six players who saw significant minutes last night, Benzan's ORtg was 85, while the other five were all above 100. I definitely agree that Benzan does many things that don't show up in the box score or that Pomeroy tracks, but a line of 5 points on 2-7 shooting with 5 rebounds and 3 assists in 39 minutes cannot be ignored. We lost last night's game by allowing Lehigh to dictate the pace all night. They play at one of the fastest paces in the league and beat us at their game. We didn't make them uncomfortable. It was clear they did that to us when the well dried up in the second half. Biggest problem with that line: 39 minutes. He is not the type of player who should be playing that much, but our roster has been so poorly managed that we had no other choice. Someday, when I've watched multiple practices, when I've been in the trainers room daily, when I've attended all the film sessions, when I've been at all staff meetings, maybe I'll be informed enough to make a statement like this.
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Post by rickii on Jan 10, 2019 14:01:54 GMT -5
How has Hargis looked in practice ? Either not great or unable to pick up the offense / defense. We need more bodies out there, and if he was ready to go, I have to believe Carmody would have called his number. +1
Thus, pretty obvious we're missing Niego.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 10, 2019 14:19:44 GMT -5
Lehigh has (had?) a kid named Jack Lieb, 6-10, who I thought had been hurt last year. Not sure if its the same kid.... I think you're right. Believe Lieb is from the Chicago area and we may have shown interest in him out of high school. He got hurt as a senior(?) in HS, don't believe he's played at all for Lehigh.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 10, 2019 14:38:21 GMT -5
Lehigh has (had?) a kid named Jack Lieb, 6-10, who I thought had been hurt last year. Not sure if its the same kid.... I think you're right. Believe Lieb is from the Chicago area and we may have shown interest in him out of high school. He got hurt as a senior(?) in HS, don't believe he's played at all for Lehigh. Yes, I'm sure that was Lieb. He actually tore his ACL in the summer after his junior HS year in Illinois. Returned to play the last part of his senior year, but didn't have offers. Consequently opted to do a post-grad year at Brewster Academy, but his play in spring/summer AAU prior to that earned him an offer from Lehigh. Unfortunately he missed all of his first two years at LU due to injury and likely will not play this year.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 10, 2019 15:34:13 GMT -5
I can't wait until the fall when the OOC slate begins! Let's just focus on league play, that's more important. Eh, three games in March is really our mantra-- win and get in. Oh well, there's always next year.
I can't wait until the fall when the OOC slate begins! Let's just focus on league play, that's more important. Eh, three games in March is really our mantra-- win and get in. Oh well, there's always next year.
I can't wait until the fall when the OOC slate begins! Let's just focus on league play, that's more important. Eh, three games in March is really our mantra-- win and get in. Oh well, there's always next year.
I can't wait until the fall when the OOC slate begins! Let's just focus on league play, that's more important. Eh, three games in March is really our mantra-- win and get in. Oh well, there's always next year.
I can't wait until the fall when the OOC slate begins! Let's just focus on league play, that's more important. Eh, three games in March is really our mantra-- win and get in. Oh well, there's always next year.
I can't wait until the fall when the OOC slate begins! Let's just focus on league play, that's more important. Eh, three games in March is really our mantra-- win and get in. Oh well, there's always next year.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 10, 2019 17:11:00 GMT -5
That is sad to hear about Leib or about any athlete. I wish him well.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 10, 2019 17:26:31 GMT -5
A variation of our own Riley Criswell?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 10, 2019 17:38:29 GMT -5
He was on my mind.
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