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Post by rickii on Jan 14, 2019 16:23:32 GMT -5
I see Colgate is playing at Air Force again this year AND has a date in 2027 at Colorado !
Fordham is playing at Hawaii in 2020 !
Lafayette is at Navy in 2020 and at Air Force in 2021.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 14, 2019 20:49:06 GMT -5
Disappointing I suppose but with Dartmouth only having 3 OOC opportunities, you have to draw the line somewhere. You can figure out their philosophy based on the non-con opponents, at least in the near term. 2 non-scholarship opponents, 1 scholarship and the Ivies. Next year they're playing Colgate. Towson in 20. UNH in 2021 and 22. In '23 they've scheduled Colgate, UNH and Lehigh. Fordham, Army and CCSU in '24.
Apparently the Army game was originally planned for 22 but was moved to 24.
Clearly they're being more aggressive in 2023 and '24. The Valparaiso game might have something to do with recruiting/exposing the brand in a new area, and it's no surprise that's home and home.
Outside of the UNH games, they're traveling a bit more. Maybe from their perspective, Dartmouth doesn't feel they get much out of going to Worcester once every other year?
This also takes Army off the HC schedule for '24, most likely. I know this year they played two FCS teams. I highly doubt that'll be the norm for them.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 14, 2019 23:04:57 GMT -5
Out with Dartmouth, in with CCSU? We seem to be in love with playing former D-2 teams.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 15, 2019 5:11:24 GMT -5
Out with Dartmouth, in with CCSU? We seem to be in love with playing former D-2 teams. JRGNYR notes Dartmouth itself is playing Fordham, Army and CCSU. In 2024.
CCSU site has games v Holy Cross in 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023. With an Ivy (Brown or Columbia) each year.
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Post by gks on Jan 15, 2019 8:20:47 GMT -5
CCSU has upgraded their schedule lover the years. Don't mind having them or Bryant on since they're regional.
Sure Dartmouth will be back on. Gaps happen in football schedules all the time. At least the Big Green are upgrading their schedule down the road. What the Ivies do now, especially Harvard, is embarrassing to them and their talent.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 15, 2019 8:33:52 GMT -5
Out with Dartmouth, in with CCSU? We seem to be in love with playing former D-2 teams. . Non-conference scheduling is a two-way street. The former D2 programs who are now D1 need games. HC will need games. Those teams are going to be in and out of the schedule. It's more regional non-conference opponents who are a short bus ride away. Merrimack will eventually be on the schedule.
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Post by gerry on Jan 15, 2019 10:33:36 GMT -5
URI would be a natural opponent, but unfortunately, they are tied up for the foreseeable future OOC with their two in state FCS opponents and an annual FBS opponent. I understand the annual matchup with Brown, but playing Bryant every year as well seems tedious. I know it is a quite a hike up to Orono, but I wouldn't mind seeing Maine rotate on the schedule at some point. I gotta think that they have an awfully tough time scheduling OOC games given their remote location, and their program made great strides under Joe Harasymiak who parlayed his success into an assistant job at Minnesota.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 15, 2019 17:26:58 GMT -5
Now would be the time to schedule Villanova as a non-conference game. Why would Villanova be interested in that? They are at a different level right now than Holy Cross in terms of their program.
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Post by inhocsigno on Jan 15, 2019 18:01:49 GMT -5
Now would be the time to schedule Villanova as a non-conference game. Why would Villanova be interested in that? They are at a different level right now than Holy Cross in terms of their program. How so - they went 5-6 and their coaching staff is a mess. They would want OCC games they think are winnable.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 15, 2019 18:29:19 GMT -5
Now would be the time to schedule Villanova as a non-conference game. Why would Villanova be interested in that? They are at a different level right now than Holy Cross in terms of their program. We’re going to be better than Villanova very soon.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 15, 2019 18:32:51 GMT -5
In all likelihood, our next football game against Villanova (if not a playoff matchup in near future), will be when they join the Patriot League. Until then, lukewarm at best interest from either side.
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 15, 2019 20:35:12 GMT -5
In all likelihood, our next football game against Villanova (if not a playoff matchup in near future), will be when they join the Patriot League. Until then, lukewarm at best interest from either side. My guess is that there is zero likelihood that Villanova will join the Patriot League and little interest on their part in playing HC. Their overall sports profile is just much higher than ours. As for us, Villanova would be an excellent CAA opponent and I would hope that we would not be lukewarm in seeking to schedule them.
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 15, 2019 20:43:40 GMT -5
Out with Dartmouth, in with CCSU? We seem to be in love with playing former D-2 teams. . Non-conference scheduling is a two-way street. The former D2 programs who are now D1 need games. HC will need games. Those teams are going to be in and out of the schedule. It's more regional non-conference opponents who are a short bus ride away. Merrimack will eventually be on the schedule. It's not just about the football. The schools we play also have some effect on the school's image. Teams like CCSU, Merrimack, Bryant, Monmouth and others of like ilk do nothing for us on the branding front, regardless of the quality of their football. For OOC games, the Ivies, the CAA, and the occasional tilt against Army, Navy, UConn and UMass should be our goal. Forget these D2 upgrades.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 16, 2019 0:19:29 GMT -5
Dartmouth finished 9-1, ranked 20th in FCS. Their last game was at home vs Brown. The attendance for that game was 2575. I wonder if they have a thread on their board titled: "Dartmouth, Hanover's Team?"
I agree that playing former D-2 teams like Sacred Heart, CCSU, Bryant, Monmouth, etc. are not as positive for HC's image as playing traditional rivals such as Dartmouth, Boston U, Northeastern, UConn, UMass or Vermont. But we are boxed in because BU, NU and UVM dropped football and UConn and UMass wanted to move to FBS in the worst way possible ... and did.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 16, 2019 9:31:07 GMT -5
. Non-conference scheduling is a two-way street. The former D2 programs who are now D1 need games. HC will need games. Those teams are going to be in and out of the schedule. It's more regional non-conference opponents who are a short bus ride away. Merrimack will eventually be on the schedule. It's not just about the football. The schools we play also have some effect on the school's image. Teams like CCSU, Merrimack, Bryant, Monmouth and others of like ilk do nothing for us on the branding front, regardless of the quality of their football. For OOC games, the Ivies, the CAA, and the occasional tilt against Army, Navy, UConn and UMass should be our goal. Forget these D2 upgrades. The irony here is that this is how some people on the BC side feel about resuming games with HC.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2019 9:38:01 GMT -5
Of course, a number of posters here feel the BC series should not be resumed as well, for different reasons. That said, I witnessed a lot of BC folks at Alumni Stadium that were very happy to see the series resumed, if only periodically. Of course, they all happened to me my age or older and welcomed the chance to have an easy win. That might not be the case in future years.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 16, 2019 10:29:52 GMT -5
It's not just about the football. The schools we play also have some effect on the school's image. Teams like CCSU, Merrimack, Bryant, Monmouth and others of like ilk do nothing for us on the branding front, regardless of the quality of their football. For OOC games, the Ivies, the CAA, and the occasional tilt against Army, Navy, UConn and UMass should be our goal. Forget these D2 upgrades. The irony here is that this is how some people on the BC side feel about resuming games with HC. No doubt BC's students/parents might not have seen it as value-added, particularly entertaining or even nostalgic. But at the same time and from their perspective, if they are going to schedule an FCS each year, it may as well be HC or some other New England FCS team (Maine, etc.) each year for a W.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2019 10:40:37 GMT -5
I would hope HC is seeing a NEC game as a win. One game lower than your league (not that it always works out that way), six in your league, two Ivy (at least one of which usually HC will not be favored), one or two CAA, one or two guarantee. Seems about right.
As far as Dartmouth goes, I don't know if they think they are going to get more people from Valpo or Jacksonville to come to NH in the fall than from Worcester; but it's a pretty sure bet more Dartmouth alumni will go to those places than HC. No one comes to HC at all from there, it seems.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2019 10:47:14 GMT -5
Well, it is a long trip, especially from any Dartmouth folks who were brought up in Rhode Island!
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Post by gks on Jan 16, 2019 10:48:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't look down at the NEC. It's an improving league that has beaten you multiple times in recent memory. If the Ivies want to live in their own little world...time to move on. Harvard and Yale are on the schedule for the long term. That's plenty of fur coats and 1950s MGs for me.
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 16, 2019 11:54:48 GMT -5
I would hope HC is seeing a NEC game as a win. One game lower than your league (not that it always works out that way), six in your league, two Ivy (at least one of which usually HC will not be favored), one or two CAA, one or two guarantee. Seems about right. As far as Dartmouth goes, I don't know if they think they are going to get more people from Valpo or Jacksonville to come to NH in the fall than from Worcester; but it's a pretty sure bet more Dartmouth alumni will go to those places than HC. No one comes to HC at all from there, it seems. You have to think a bit more broadly about why certain non-conference games are scheduled. For example, on Dartmouth's 2018 roster they list 11 kids from Florida. I didn't pay attention to classes so I don't know offhand how many are graduating, but suffice to say that Dartmouth has put an emphasis on Florida. It's not uncommon for a school to schedule a game in an area it's targeting for recruiting purposes. Also, it gives the families of those kids an opportunity to see them play within relative proximity of their homes instead of trekking 5x a year to Hanover, which likely isn't happening. In short, from Dartmouth's perspective, scheduling those games has more to do with who will see Dartmouth on the road than at home.
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Post by rickii on Jan 16, 2019 12:07:59 GMT -5
Of course, a number of posters here feel the BC series should not be resumed as well, for different reasons. That said, I witnessed a lot of BC folks at Alumni Stadium that were very happy to see the series resumed, if only periodically. Of course, they all happened to me my age or older and welcomed the chance to have an easy win. That might not be the case in future years. I saw a mostly 30's-40's crowd jointly tailgating in both purple and maroon attire on my pre-game walk thru campus. Oddly perhaps, I didn't see a whole lot of old geezers like me. Also saw more HC student types than I anticipated.
Sidebar - Can't recall if it was noted but the attendance of 40,000+....wasn't that a 'modern' day record for an HC-BC game ? The game at Foxboro in the 80's was 39,000+. AIR, the last game at Alumni was pre-expansion when capacity was 32,000. Guessing the 'record' attendance would date back to Fenway era dates.
Anyone ?
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2019 12:10:37 GMT -5
40,311. Yes, probably a record.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2019 12:17:20 GMT -5
I would hope HC is seeing a NEC game as a win. One game lower than your league (not that it always works out that way), six in your league, two Ivy (at least one of which usually HC will not be favored), one or two CAA, one or two guarantee. Seems about right. As far as Dartmouth goes, I don't know if they think they are going to get more people from Valpo or Jacksonville to come to NH in the fall than from Worcester; but it's a pretty sure bet more Dartmouth alumni will go to those places than HC. No one comes to HC at all from there, it seems. You have to think a bit more broadly about why certain non-conference games are scheduled. For example, on Dartmouth's 2018 roster they list 11 kids from Florida. I didn't pay attention to classes so I don't know offhand how many are graduating, but suffice to say that Dartmouth has put an emphasis on Florida. It's not uncommon for a school to schedule a game in an area it's targeting for recruiting purposes. Also, it gives the families of those kids an opportunity to see them play within relative proximity of their homes instead of trekking 5x a year to Hanover, which likely isn't happening. In short, from Dartmouth's perspective, scheduling those games has more to do with who will see Dartmouth on the road than at home. That's pretty much what I meant; however, you said it a lot better than I did! Valpo is 50 miles from Chicago; as far a JVille goes, there are probably more Dartmouth alumni in greater Miami, Tampa or Orlando; but I can't think of a FCS program in the vicinity of those places. And everyone tries to recruit in that state.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2019 12:24:13 GMT -5
There's something in the Fenway history about BC playing Georgetown in 1940 before over 40,000 fans. I would not doubt that at least one BC/HC game there was around that figure. Probably not that much more as, from the photos; they didn't have as high temporary seats versus what they had for the Pats in the 60s.
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