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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 19, 2019 15:10:37 GMT -5
I gather what you're saying Ray, but I have serious doubts the BE school prez's want a large state school in the league given its current makeup. StL or Dayton much more viable options in my opinion. It is my opinion that the BE would absolutely put the whole Catholic thing aside to bring in UCONN. The one thing that would worry them is that if UCONN got a ACC invite due to further expansion down line they would drop them like that. But I don’t think that’s happening. AAC membership is what holds UCONN basketball hostage. I know being an FBS independent is really hard but if I were them, I would seriously look into the pros/cons of going Indy in football while getting BE hoops membership back.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 19, 2019 16:03:59 GMT -5
I gather what you're saying Ray, but I have serious doubts the BE school prez's want a large state school in the league given its current makeup. StL or Dayton much more viable options in my opinion. It is my opinion that the BE would absolutely put the whole Catholic thing aside to bring in UCONN. The one thing that would worry them is that if UCONN got a ACC invite due to further expansion down line they would drop them like that. But I don’t think that’s happening. AAC membership is what holds UCONN basketball hostage. I know being an FBS independent is really hard but if I were them, I would seriously look into the pros/cons of going Indy in football while getting BE hoops membership back. Disagree ny. And the chance of UConn getting an ACC invite is about the same as HC getting a BE invite, as absolutely zero shot the ACC wants anything to do with the worst 1A FB team in the country.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 19, 2019 16:15:02 GMT -5
Maybe the Ivy League will take them. A 38,000 seat stadium with 8,000 people in it fits the league pretty well.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 19, 2019 16:37:47 GMT -5
The smart thing to do is for UConn to cut its FBS losses and move to FCS (the SB Nation article suggests this). Similar to its fellow New Englanders (URI, UNH, Maine). UMass is continuing to show how foolish FBS is for the New England state schools. Perhaps temporarily NEC and beg CAA for a football slot. (Again, idea stolen from SBNation) Hoops is another issue entirely - they should beg the Big East but that won't be an easy sell. CAA football and Big East men's basketball would be a great and financially wise option. No idea about the other sports of course.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 19, 2019 16:44:39 GMT -5
HC should be CAA in football and BE in hoop but that's a story for many other threads.....
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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2019 21:32:11 GMT -5
First of all, if you lose 40 million, then they had an extra 40 million to spend from somewhere to make up the shortfall? Is it the taxpayers and/or students (via tuition) who are picking up the tab? Or a big IOU?
I guess if it were HC they'd have to get the money out of the endowment. Not that I believe the school would ever be that irresponsible.
Secondly, if they haven't broken ground on that rink, what's the odds on them folding their tents in hockey (M&W or at least M)?
They are clearly by far the biggest loser in the Big East starting football, dropping football, and splitting up.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 20, 2019 8:32:21 GMT -5
HC should be CAA in football and BE in hoop but that's a story for many other threads..... As much as I like watching competitive college football...I'd consider giving up HC football entirely (and the PL entirely) for BE hoops (PC sports model). I am not suggesting that it is possible just winding up my first cup of coffee. Don't think it would hurt our pocketbook or our reputation. Villanova, with the enviable CAA/BE combo you note, has really made some very wise sports choices but that is also another story.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 20, 2019 12:21:33 GMT -5
PC is a recent national champion in hockey, in a top BB conference, gets great crowds at the Dunk, has no football or baseball, and had no dilemma choosing between top level athletics and academics when the BE was formed. They chose both.
The N.E. Patriots call that playing "complimentary football." I wonder what the revenue and expense comparison is between HC and PC?
Having said all that, I respect the value to current student atheletes of HC's participatory model, but would like to root for winning teams that contend for championships in the major spectator sports, like we did under Duffner, Willard and Gibbons, before he inexplicably lost his fastball.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 20, 2019 16:25:33 GMT -5
First of all, if you lose 40 million, then they had an extra 40 million to spend from somewhere to make up the shortfall? Is it the taxpayers and/or students (via tuition) who are picking up the tab? Or a big IOU? I guess if it were HC they'd have to get the money out of the endowment. Not that I believe the school would ever be that irresponsible. Secondly, if they haven't broken ground on that rink, what's the odds on them folding their tents in hockey (M&W or at least M)? They are clearly by far the biggest loser in the Big East starting football, dropping football, and splitting up. At last report, CT had $36.9B in bonded debt. Losing $40M on mostly terrible college sports is nothing to us.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 22, 2019 21:43:00 GMT -5
HC should be CAA in football and BE in hoop but that's a story for many other threads..... As much as I like watching competitive college football...I'd consider giving up HC football entirely (and the PL entirely) for BE hoops (PC sports model). I am not suggesting that it is possible just winding up my first cup of coffee. Don't think it would hurt our pocketbook or our reputation. Villanova, with the enviable CAA/BE combo you note, has really made some very wise sports choices but that is also another story. I don’t get why people think there’s some kind of correlation between potentially dropping football and getting invited to the Big East. Spoiler alert: there isn’t. Topic for another thread...
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Post by alum on Jan 23, 2019 7:39:28 GMT -5
UConn has 19,000 undergraduates in Storrs, an additional 4600 undergraduates at the regional campuses, and 8300 graduate and professional school students. The $40 million they lose is much less per student than what it costs per student to operate the HC athletic program which, if I recall correctly, is close to $5000 per student.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 23, 2019 8:41:16 GMT -5
As much as I like watching competitive college football...I'd consider giving up HC football entirely (and the PL entirely) for BE hoops (PC sports model). I am not suggesting that it is possible just winding up my first cup of coffee. Don't think it would hurt our pocketbook or our reputation. Villanova, with the enviable CAA/BE combo you note, has really made some very wise sports choices but that is also another story. I don’t get why people think there’s some kind of correlation between potentially dropping football and getting invited to the Big East. Spoiler alert: there isn’t. Topic for another thread... I don't think there is any correlation between potentially dropping football and getting invited to the Big East. (I would prefer Big East basketball to PL football and basketball but I don't see any correlation between potentially dropping football and getting invited to the Big East. I just find the PC model [top level hoops league, no football] a better financial -and otherwise - fit for our school nowadays.)
As far as UConn goes it is certainly true they can absorb those sorts of financial losses.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2019 0:09:24 GMT -5
Without using a calculator, I figure if 32,000 total students at UConn pay $1,000 each out of their tuition it will cover $32,000,000. If they each pay $1,250 it will cover the whole $40,000,000 deficit. If HC students are paying $5,000 each they are paying four times as much, but a much larger percentage of students get to participate in a sport at HC. The 75% of HC students who don't play a sport are not faring well in this comparison, especially since they don't have bragging rights from championships like UConn students have.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 24, 2019 9:54:31 GMT -5
Ultimately, unlike HC, don't the monies come from CT taxpayers?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 24, 2019 10:31:30 GMT -5
Ultimately, unlike HC, don't the monies come from CT taxpayers? +1. The State of CT even built UConn its own modern football stadium. Mass. didn't do that for UMass, it got upgraded, but more or less on the same level as the Hart Center Arena did.
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Post by alum on Jan 24, 2019 16:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 23, 2020 11:47:05 GMT -5
Had to dig 5 pages back to find this thread but as a Ct tax payer, these results just released from 2019 will probably not get any better as UConn goes indy for football - these numbers add up to approx $44 million deficit - just amazing
Football: $3.3m revenue, $16.6m expenses MBB: $6m revenue, $9.9m expenses WBB: $4.5m revenue, $8 million expenses Other: $2.8 mil revenue, $25.8 mil expenses
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Post by HC92 on Jan 23, 2020 17:34:16 GMT -5
How much longer will taxpayers pay for a football program losing $13M+ per year that virtually no one cares about? The move to the CAA for football can’t be more than a year away.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 23, 2020 19:07:55 GMT -5
How much longer will taxpayers pay for a football program losing $13M+ per year that virtually no one cares about? The move to the CAA for football can’t be more than a year away. Probably as long as they hold out hope that at some point down the line an ACC invite COULD materialize. Only play they have left. Also, the taxpayer has to justify the "sunk costs" of the stadium.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 23, 2020 19:16:03 GMT -5
How much longer will taxpayers pay for a football program losing $13M+ per year that virtually no one cares about? The move to the CAA for football can’t be more than a year away. Probably as long as they hold out hope that at some point down the line an ACC invite COULD materialize. Only play they have left. Also, the taxpayer has to justify the "sunk costs" of the stadium. What’s sunk is sunk. Only choice left now is whether to continue to lose huge chunks of money every year for no reason. Don’t see the ACC as a realistic option but I guess you never know. If the men’s basketball team gets back to where it was under Calhoun, it would at least be a small possibility.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 23, 2020 19:19:43 GMT -5
Supposedly when the ACC expanded, the basketball schools pushed for UCONN but the football schools were not interested so Louisville became the option to appease both sides.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 23, 2020 21:11:43 GMT -5
Makes sense but perhaps due to regional Parochialism, I think UConn is a more prestigious "get" for the ACC than Louisville. It also would compliment the ACC expansion into Boston and UConn is much closer to the Atlantic Coast than Louisville is.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 23, 2020 21:51:11 GMT -5
The Ville excels in multiple sports, revenue and non-revenue, and has a large and loyal fan base. It brought a lot more to the ACC than UConn could ever hope to bring
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2020 1:14:30 GMT -5
The Ville excels in multiple sports, revenue and non-revenue, and has a large and loyal fan base. It brought a lot more to the ACC than UConn could ever hope to bring In that case eliminate "perhaps" in front of regional Parochialism. I am only vaguely familiar with UL and compared to HC I have always been impressed with UConn's overall sports program as they make the NCAA in minor sports much more frequently than we do and M&W BB must have more national championships combined than any other school this century.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 24, 2020 1:50:01 GMT -5
I have to think UConn made promises to Danny Hurley about the future of the mens bball program when he came over from URI.
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