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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2019 16:07:07 GMT -5
Still away, I'm pretty sure. Horrific loss. My first post of the day, haven't read any. The final possessions of regulation and OT really pissed me off. The ridiculous turnovers ON THE SAME FRIGGIN PLAY TIME AFTER TIME in the first half most likely contributed most to HC being in that position in the first place.
Poorly officiated too but I won't blame the zebras
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Post by Ray on Jan 19, 2019 16:16:33 GMT -5
Very, very disappointing performance here.
Seems like the league has this system figured out. Need some new wrinkles asap.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2019 16:19:52 GMT -5
Whatever fans were there including me are struggling to find reasons to go back. 11-8? 2-4 in the PL? 1-3 in last four? Two home loses in a row, both in overtime and both times they let one player beat them! FLOYD 6-6 Why can't we get it to him down low more. Well in general, yes, my friend. When the second half started and the first two times the court, they never got him involved after 12-14 minutes on the bench, that was annoying (and may have led to Green getting yanked a minute into the half). But down the stretch he was not very good and/or LC did a great job bottling him up. Yes, he was 6-6, but he was co-leader on the team with 4 turnovers. Part of it was his very dumb fouls #3 and #4 (#1 was on the refs, a real dive that college refs usually are wise to); I think that may have made him afraid to get more physical underneath.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 19, 2019 16:22:18 GMT -5
Will be interesting to hear the excuses. I don't think travel, prep time, or youth can be blamed for this one. We are going backwards. The bag carriers will find something. Maybe it was it too cold outside? Major changes are needed to turn this program around. Only one win this year against a team with a winning record.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 19, 2019 16:28:47 GMT -5
Very, very disappointing performance here. Seems like the league has this system figured out. Need some new wrinkles asap. Whether the league has the system figured out or not, we would have won this game easily if we had simply disciplined ourselves to avoid the sloppy. limp-wristed, anemic, pathetic passes that Loyola picked off so easily. Crisp passing would have led to a 10+ point win. That's what lost us the game, in my opinion: sloppy passing.
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Post by stjamessoldier6 on Jan 19, 2019 16:31:18 GMT -5
Six players played 216 minutes. In the nine minutes Zignorski played, he contributed one turnover and one steal. That's nearly impossible. Check his plus/minus. Pretty good considering how the rest of the team couldn't put away a sub-par Patriot league "rival". Check your facts
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Post by possum on Jan 19, 2019 16:33:20 GMT -5
KY Loyola was just as bad if not worse with unforced turnovers.
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Post by Bleed Purple on Jan 19, 2019 16:35:37 GMT -5
Was there. Very disappointing. Signature loss of the Carmody era.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 19, 2019 16:49:35 GMT -5
Guys face the facts. This coach has not had a winning season here, the year he went to the tournament, we had 20 losses. He can’t teach his team how to rebound and get back on defense. He gave out scholarships to 13 kids and 6 can’t compete at a D1 level. I saw this coming, 10 wins were nice but the OOC wins were weak. The short bench was going to be a huge problem, and our lack of height and strength are showing every game. Basketball at HC needs a deep re-evaluation. The current coaches are not getting the job done and their time has passed. Do we continue to look at our programs as intramural sports? Or do we need to change things? I vote for true change. I have had it with the ridiculous excuses and reasons why we are a bottom feeder in this terrible league!!!
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 19, 2019 16:51:17 GMT -5
KY Loyola was just as bad if not worse with unforced turnovers. Right— so if we had executed properly we would have had fewer sloppy mistakes and would still have been able to capitalize on their shortcomings
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 19, 2019 16:58:59 GMT -5
Was watching Joe Pridgen (report later), so missed the debacle, but as always, the numbers don't lie . . .
Points in the Paint - Loyola, 36-24 Points off Turnovers - Loyola, 20-13 Second Chance Points - Loyola, 11-6
Loyola had 10 ORs - the eleventh time this year opponents have had double-digit totals. Holy Cross DR - 62%, very poor. Loyola made 60% of its twos.
Holy Cross did shoot the ball well, but the high number of TOs clearly a concern. Averaged 9.8 during OOC, but up to 11.7 during conference play
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Post by Bleed Purple on Jan 19, 2019 17:07:46 GMT -5
Folks, let's look on the bright side. This loss may bring us closer to our next coach.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 19, 2019 17:17:55 GMT -5
I think we were outcoached in this one. our offense had a very tough time when they put Kostecka at the top of their zone and he was intercepting and deflecting passes. I don't think they employed him there in the previous game. Let's add 'outplayed' also as our guys did not play well at all
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 19, 2019 17:24:46 GMT -5
FLOYD 6-6 Why can't we get it to him down low more. Well in general, yes, my friend. When the second half started and the first two times the court, they never got him involved after 12-14 minutes on the bench, that was annoying (and may have led to Green getting yanked a minute into the half). But down the stretch he was not very good and/or LC did a great job bottling him up. Yes, he was 6-6, but he was co-leader on the team with 4 turnovers. Part of it was his very dumb fouls #3 and #4 (#1 was on the refs, a real dive that college refs usually are wise to); I think that may have made him afraid to get more physical underneath. Today, Floyd got 11.5% of the shots. On the season, he's getting 12.5% of the shots. Somebody who makes 70% of their FGAs should be taking more than one out of every eight shots the team puts up, imho. His season-long mis-"usage" (as KenPom understands the term) is a concern.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 19, 2019 17:27:01 GMT -5
Well in general, yes, my friend. When the second half started and the first two times the court, they never got him involved after 12-14 minutes on the bench, that was annoying (and may have led to Green getting yanked a minute into the half). But down the stretch he was not very good and/or LC did a great job bottling him up. Yes, he was 6-6, but he was co-leader on the team with 4 turnovers. Part of it was his very dumb fouls #3 and #4 (#1 was on the refs, a real dive that college refs usually are wise to); I think that may have made him afraid to get more physical underneath. Today, Floyd got 11.5% of the shots. On the season, he's getting 12.5% of the shots. Somebody who makes 70% of their FGAs should be taking more than one out of every eight shots the team puts up, imho. His season-long mis-"usage" (as KenPom understands the term) is a concern. Just really poor coaching. Inexcusable.
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Post by bikeman on Jan 19, 2019 17:41:50 GMT -5
But the players played great. Right?
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Post by hc87 on Jan 19, 2019 17:44:09 GMT -5
A new head coach is a "band-aid" on a program hemorrhaging in significance....basketball is no more important in the Patriot League than soccer or field hockey.
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 19, 2019 17:58:22 GMT -5
Guys face the facts. This coach has not had a winning season here, the year he went to the tournament, we had 20 losses. He can’t teach his team how to rebound and get back on defense. He gave out scholarships to 13 kids and 6 can’t compete at a D1 level. I saw this coming, 10 wins were nice but the OOC wins were weak. The short bench was going to be a huge problem, and our lack of height and strength are showing every game. Basketball at HC needs a deep re-evaluation. The current coaches are not getting the job done and their time has passed. Do we continue to look at our programs as intramural sports? Or do we need to change things? I vote for true change. I have had it with the ridiculous excuses and reasons why we are a bottom feeder in this terrible league!!! I haven't watched much HC basketball this year and I only caught the last five minutes and OT in this one. That may not qualify me to offer an opinion, but our boys have come across to me as a glorified high school team every time I've seen them. And one playing in a glorified high school gym when at home. On top of that, the ineffective end of game coaching is starting to remind me of the Milan Brown days and that ain't good. We are in a hole that is getting deeper. When the press lionized Casey Stengel after the Yankees won their fifth consecutive World Series in 1953, the Ole Perfesser was quick to point out that he couldn't have done it without the players. The players is where it starts and ends when all is said and done. And we're clearly not getting high quality players these days. Some of the reasons are obvious. The PL is just awful and shows no signs it will get better any time soon. There is little about the Hart or the apparent lack of enthusiasm of today's student body to attract quality athletes. The coaching has been mediocre or worse ever since Willard left a decade or so ago. As you say, basketball...HC's historical marquee sport...needs a comprehensive re-evaluation. The only school in the PL that has had a modicum of recent success is Bucknell. Perhaps an in-depth, serious study of the Bison program would be a good place to start.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2019 18:07:25 GMT -5
As I have already posted, next season is the fifth and final year of Carmody's contract. Do we want to really be extending him?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2019 18:14:25 GMT -5
FLOYD 6-6 Why can't we get it to him down low more. Hard to do when his foul trouble keeps him on the bench.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2019 18:16:39 GMT -5
FLOYD 6-6 Why can't we get it to him down low more. Hard to do when his foul trouble keeps him on the bench. Floyd played seven more minutes than Faw and show the ball three fewer times. Pretty bad.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 19, 2019 18:17:05 GMT -5
Question: Has Carmody lost this team? Losing and screaming taken together is an indicator, no? LoveHC No. Is the team's record 11-8 or is it 8-11? Isn't it hard to criticize a coach whose team has a winning record for "never" having coached an HC team with a winning record? I guess for some, nothing is hard when it is a chance to blame everything on the coach...well not everything, The players lost the game but, according to some, they are not very good and for recruiting is the fault of the coach.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 19, 2019 18:22:06 GMT -5
Question: Has Carmody lost this team? Losing and screaming taken together is an indicator, no? LoveHC No. I pray we don’t start this “lost the team” nonsense. It’s ludicrous
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 19, 2019 18:22:45 GMT -5
Question: Has Carmody lost this team? Losing and screaming taken together is an indicator, no? LoveHC Is the team's record 11-8 or is it 8-11? Isn't it hard to criticize a coach whose team has a winning record for "never" having coached an HC team with a winning record? What?
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Post by crosspride on Jan 19, 2019 18:30:46 GMT -5
It’s a long season. It’s hard to win when there are 6 contributors. Is Niego being out hurting? Sure. But that can’t be an excuse for overall poor performance due to lack of depth. Every single D1 team deals with injuries, and I’d say with only 1 (to a sub), were actually lucky in that regard.
Bottom line is this falls close to 100% on Carmody for poor recruiting and management of existing players that led to suspensions.
Also, anyone recall how he first met Malachi Alexander about a week after being hired back in 2015? Would sure be a shame if it took him a week to contact Andrew Kostecka. With him on the team I have a feeling this these recent threads would have a much different tone
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