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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 23, 2019 22:40:04 GMT -5
Nice to see Verbeek score his first college points (I think?). With some development he could be Greg McCarthy on a good day. Ouch.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 23, 2019 22:44:01 GMT -5
Getting above .500 in conference play seems a daunting task now. Would need to go 8-3 - not impossible, of course, but highly unlikely.
No Carmody team has finished above .500 in conference play since he left Princeton.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 23, 2019 22:50:25 GMT -5
Again, while I am not picking on him, something seems radically wrong with Grandy.
During our positive run of wins, he seemed to be our all-around best and most consistent player with Caleb and Jehyve close seconds.
As I posted previously, I missed almost the entire 1st half so just took a look at the stats.
Grandy played 31 minutes but was 3 for 9 shooting overall and only 1 of 5 from 3 and zero free throws for a total of 7 points. Not only that, he had only 2 rebounds and a turnover (with 1 block). That's not close to his average in any category.
Jehyve did pretty well hitting 6 of 10 shots and of those 4 misses, 1 was from beyond the arc, possibly his first and only one all season and since I didn't see it, assume it was as the shot clock expired. 1 for 3 from the charity stripe and a decent 6 rebounds along with a block, 2 steals and 3 assists. Total 13 points. Not a great game for him but a solid one.
No surprise here but we shot a pretty poor 4 of 9 from free throws while our Army friends went 13 for 17, making 4 more than we even attempted. Those 9 extra made free throws weren't the difference in the game, but it didn't help.
For a change, there wasn't much difference in offensive rebounds as we got 6 and Army had 5 but, they doubled the number of defensive boards. We got only 15 and they got 30.
Here's the one that'll knock your socks off since we've seen assists as one of our strengths. We got 9 assists tonight and Army had 21!!
I can't prove it but it seems like there is more going on here than just the other PL teams being better prepared for us than OOC opponents.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 23, 2019 22:50:52 GMT -5
Getting above .500 in conference play seems a daunting task now. Would need to go 8-3 - not impossible, of course, but highly unlikely. No Carmody team has finished above .500 in conference play since he left Princeton. Hope this team can finish strong Gray. The next 5 games on the schedule don’t intimidate me. We just don’t seem to have a complete enough team to be a contender in what looks like a deeper Patriot League than usual.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 23, 2019 22:53:47 GMT -5
1970 - I haven’t really noticed Grandy being so off his game because I didn’t get to see much HC basketball the first half of the season. However last year he was the frosh I thought would be the best overall ball player out of that class. Now I would say Green is that guy. Hope he rounds into form, we surely need it.
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Post by hc87 on Jan 23, 2019 23:00:15 GMT -5
Attendance: 480 A classmate there tonight thinks that's quite a rounding up too. Ridiculous.
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Post by lou on Jan 23, 2019 23:00:51 GMT -5
. We got 9 assists tonight and Army had 21!! I was about to mention the nice nice dish Verbeek to Copeland to end the game. Then looked at the stats and I see that Verbeek has zero assists ... so maybe the stats are a little off??
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Post by lou on Jan 23, 2019 23:02:26 GMT -5
Attendance: 480 A classmate there tonight thinks that's quite a rounding up too. Ridiculous. Typical Army game attendance over the years, except for the band and cheer squad not a cadet in sight
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Post by efg72 on Jan 23, 2019 23:04:03 GMT -5
Faw also found himself in the usual foul trouble landing his third 40 seconds into the second half. It’s tough to keep him on the floor for 30+ minutes. Plus he got absolutely manhandled by Matt Wilson. In an attempt to be controversial theteam play fell apart when Floyd became more important offensively-we ask him to go 15-18 feet with the ball to score—insane and everybody else watches since then his defensive value has been close to non existent as they try and keep him out of foul trouble while this is a great learning experience for Faw, he is playing the role of Floyd defensively a year or two too early and making mistakes floyd on the wing and high post is not maximizing his talent i won’t speak about benzan because he tries although 8-10 min should be his max butler gives a gutty performance every time he steps on the floor even if some don’t want him touching the ball, we are lucky to have him green is hurt, going back to Lehigh game when he injured his right hand granderson has nice talent but appears lost because he isasked to do something different each game or perhaps in the same game not having Niego is big— couldn’t see him on the bench tonight but my eyes aren’t what they once were Copeland, leSann and Hargis need minutes
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Post by hc87 on Jan 23, 2019 23:05:14 GMT -5
It's a typical PL crowd for the most part.....seriously, the fact that Carmody makes 300K coaching before consistently smaller crowds than many HS coaches do night to night just blows my mind.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 23, 2019 23:06:29 GMT -5
Attendance: 480 A classmate there tonight thinks that's quite a rounding up too. Ridiculous. Never understood why Army can’t draw for basketball even in the 1500 range. For hockey, they fill Tate Rink for most every game. You can barely find a parking spot those nights. They get a TON of youth hockey teams to fill the place — kids from all over Hudson Valley. How come they can’t do same with basketball youth groups at least for the Saturday games? Getting in and out of the academy is not hard. More convenient than Navy where you have to take a shuttle bus from the football stadium to get to a game at alumni hall.
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Post by lou on Jan 23, 2019 23:09:55 GMT -5
Faw also found himself in the usual foul trouble landing his third 40 seconds into the second half. It’s tough to keep him on the floor for 30+ minutes. Plus he got absolutely manhandled by Matt Wilson. Niego is big— couldn’t see him on the bench tonight but my eyes aren’t what they once were Copeland, leSann and Hargis need minutes even if they make mistakes Niego wasn't on the bench, and I would like to add Verbeek to the list
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Post by efg72 on Jan 23, 2019 23:13:15 GMT -5
Agree with you on Verbeek Wondering why they left CN home-
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 23, 2019 23:39:21 GMT -5
It's a typical PL crowd for the most part.....seriously, the fact that Carmody makes 300K coaching before consistently smaller crowds than many HS coaches do night to night just blows my mind.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 23, 2019 23:49:42 GMT -5
The Athletic Program is a major expense. The major revenue stream is tuition. Many students borrow to pay part of their tuition. Thus those students are borrowing money to pay part of the coaches salaries. The sad thing is most students aren't getting their money's worth by having a blast attending games and forming a lifetime attachment to the Crusader BB and FB teams like many of us did, although many students do participate in other sports. No easy solutions but a sense of urgency from the Administration would be nice.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 24, 2019 6:01:00 GMT -5
Sounds like CN may have had a setback, which would be extremely unfortunate...as the team desperately needs a spark.
I agree with others in that, purely from a minutes played standpoint, this is no longer a "young" team. By and large, though, at this level teams utilizing mostly juniors and seniors have an advantage (remember what RW said about recruiting players with the expectation of being able to depend on them as juniors). I don't think they are tired (they are young and in shape, for crying out loud), but the increased expectations with the short rotation may be slowly wearing at the guys. There is a difference between being expected to be productive for 18 minutes vs having to be productive for 35 minutes. And its multiple guys.
I think Coach Carmody has to break from his norm and get more players involved. Just run 1-2 subs in a minute or so before the media timeouts. It can't hurt. Something different is needed; as others have noted, there are no secrets about what we like to do.
I'm not conceding this year quite yet - none of the losses this year compare to last year's Navy debacle, and the guys bounced back from that. This time, though, I do think they need a little assistance from the coaching staff. I plan on being there Saturday rooting the guys on; as I've been told, it's easy to pat guys on the back when they are doing well.....but they need it more when they are down.
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Post by possum on Jan 24, 2019 7:10:59 GMT -5
Grandison is not getting the easy shots he was during OOC play. He was getting 2-3 layups a game off feeds from Floyd but that has stopped in PL play. Development of the bench needs to happen during OOC play but it seems Carmody doesn't have the patience to let guys play and live with the mistakes. I remember some posters telling me that depth was not an issue because Duke and Villanova won with only 7 players, might work for them not working for us. It would be nice if we developed some offense that gets the ball to Floyd closer to or on his way to the basket, getting the ball at the foul line and expecting him to get by a defender who is already sagging into the lane makes him vulnerable to charges and double teams.
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Post by sader81 on Jan 24, 2019 7:22:32 GMT -5
Well, this is certainly not the same team that played Michigan, Providence tough, beat UMass and rolled a few MAaC teams. They are not shooting well, look lackluster on defense and appear to be in a funk. They are still mostly sophomores, and sometimes that happens with young players, no matter their experience. It’s a long season with distractions, physical dings and monotony. They didn’t suddenly become crappy basketball players. The team looked the same about this time last year when a unintentional roster shakeup woke them up. They’ll figure it out, hopefully soon.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 24, 2019 7:27:53 GMT -5
At the beginning of league play, Holy Cross was ranked 137th in EFG% defense. This morning, we're 242nd. Over the last three games, we've allowed teams to shoot 62% EFG, the fourth worst mark in the country during that span.
We continue to shoot the ball wall and take good care of it. These are necessary - but not sufficient - conditions for success. We have to do something else well, and it's getting harder to see what that could be. Poor rebounding and an inability to get to the line are largely built into the system, and we can't seem to stop anybody from scoring with the defensive scheme that's been used, without much variation, since Carmody arrived.
Whatever improvements can be made at the offensive end, I hope there's a Plan B for the defense.
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Post by efg72 on Jan 24, 2019 7:46:30 GMT -5
Plan B should be to move Floyd underneath and inside the paint and make him change shots-fouls are a part of the game
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Post by jflare on Jan 24, 2019 8:13:21 GMT -5
Getting above .500 in conference play seems a daunting task now. Would need to go 8-3 - not impossible, of course, but highly unlikely. No Carmody team has finished above .500 in conference play since he left Princeton. Look if we can at least grab that 8th seed we will get a home game in the tourney and go from there.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 24, 2019 8:23:48 GMT -5
They’ll figure it out, hopefully soon. The players are trying to do what they've been told to do. I don't think they are the ones that need to figure this out.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 24, 2019 8:27:01 GMT -5
The PO was cool 25 years ago when it caught teams by surprise, with the once in a great while you see a nice back door, it pretty much old and boring. The defense this guy runs is flat out atrocious! We have no answer to ball reversal! The defense for it is to run at a shooter flailing your arms like you are on 🔥. Rebounding, what is that! The game has clearly passed BC by and he is obviously not interested in changing. But if a tree falls in the woods....who is watching and who really cares??
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Post by sader81 on Jan 24, 2019 9:27:52 GMT -5
They’ll figure it out, hopefully soon. The players are trying to do what they've been told to do. I don't think they are the ones that need to figure this out. "They'll" is not just limited to the players, although they are the ones that missed over a half dozen layups last night.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 24, 2019 9:37:29 GMT -5
The players are trying to do what they've been told to do. I don't think they are the ones that need to figure this out. "They'll" is not just limited to the players, although they are the ones that missed over a half dozen layups last night. They're just young and there will be some road blocks along the way, right?
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