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Post by gks on Feb 10, 2019 19:45:05 GMT -5
Yes...won at Columbia maybe 95 or 96 and got thumped at home by Columbia around that time. Marcellus Wiley was on Columbia team that won big at Fitton.
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Post by breezy on Feb 10, 2019 20:24:41 GMT -5
I was at the 1997 Columbia game that HC won, 45-16.
HC won three games that season (Georgetown at home, Columbia and Lehigh away -- and was awarded a fourth victory over Towson by forfeit even though the game was lost when played). I attended all three victories.
After the season, I sent an e-mail to Coach Allen -- something to the effect of "I was your good-luck charm this year, attending all three victories."
I got an e-mail back from Coach Allen -- "Please arrange to attend all eleven games next year."
Great guy, great person.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 10, 2019 21:55:36 GMT -5
Has Columbia played HC since that game in '83? Has Penn played HC since their payback thumping of HC at the truly venerable Franklin Field? LoveHC My guess is that we won't play any non-New England Ivy for awhile. For awhile the PL-IL played sort of a rotating schedule against one another, HC playing Penn, Princeton, Cornell and Columbia etc....but that seemed to have come to an end 10 or so years ago. The Ivies seem to have withdrawn from playing PL schools except for nearby ones (Penn-Lehigh, Colgate-Cornell etc)...we are one of the only PL schools that continue to play multiple Ivies in any one season.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 10, 2019 22:10:16 GMT -5
No doubt because Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale, Brown are all in New England like Holy Cross so the IL is "centered" in New England while the rest of the Patriot League is "centered" in Pennsylvania, which only has UPenn. Colgate and Cornell are proximate. Princeton is pretty close to the Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell group. Columbia and Fordham are close.
I suspect geography and tradition have a lot to do with which PL-IL match-ups happen with regularity.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 10, 2019 23:00:27 GMT -5
No doubt because Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale, Brown are all in New England like Holy Cross so the IL is "centered" in New England while the rest of the Patriot League is "centered" in Pennsylvania, which only has UPenn. Colgate and Cornell are proximate. Princeton is pretty close to the Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell group. Columbia and Fordham are close. I suspect geography and tradition have a lot to do with which PL-IL match-ups happen with regularity. Ivy schools don't like venturing south of Philadelphia.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 10, 2019 23:04:44 GMT -5
Respectfully, I was there I didn't have to read about it in The Crusader. I get it "we were just running' the offense." Maybe, it was Columbia's fault 'cause they should have taken a knee instead of passing to try to get back in the game. Really? Sounds convoluted to me. Honestly, folks were quite surprised that Fenerty ( a wonderful, truly great runner) was still playing in the third quarter. Didn't he score another 2TDs in the third to set the record? ( I remember one of them on a long run into the end zone at the open end of Fitton.) Whoopie doo! Look, it's long past, no sense in my prattling on about this game. As I wrote I have an old school view of sportsmanship.Time has passed me by, once again. LoveHC Respectfully, I was there and had forgotten some details from the game of 35+ years ago. We were not just 'running the offense' - we had a strong passing offense (led by HC HOFer QB Peter Muldoon who graduated with the most passing yards in HC history - at the time) that we completely bagged as the lead opened. Carter used 4 different quarterbacks. Good old school sportsmanship. Since Columbia had played well the previous 2 weeks (Bucknell- tie and Yale- win) this was a change Coach Carter made on the fly. We threw just 13 times (completing 9 - - 5 from backup Tom Heffernan who entered the game at the start of the second QTR) the entire game (and rushed 72 times). Columbia should not have taken a knee. That would have been silly. They should have worked the clock. And kept it out of our hands. That would have involved running the ball and not passing 54 times. That is a common strategy for a team getting blown out to take. HC was smart enough to throw it just 22 times v BC this year...when you are getting blown out the last thing you do is fling it around and extend the game and give the other team more possessions. Columbia's passing antics were just plain weird - as the paper and the folks in the audience commented about. (If we threw it 54 times v BC folks would be calling for Chesney's scalp...and rightfully so...we could have lost by 65 or 70 [v 48] ...and perhaps lost a QB or two.) In fact, one of my strongest memories of the game was the puzzled discussions/speculations amongst my friends in the stands as to why the heck the Columbia QB (6th Round NFL Draft BTW)) and coach were preserving the clock and literally giving us the ball so much. The article explains how Carter put Fenerty in for just three handoffs early in the third quarter. The final handoff came with HC up by 29 points. The paper also describes the fact that Carter yanked him despite the fact he was closing in on the all time New England record, the fact that HC used 4th stringers (who ran an 18 play clock-burning TD drive BTW) throughout the 4th quarter, and the fact Carter played all 96 players. That is good sportsmanship.
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Post by inhocsigno on Feb 11, 2019 12:19:23 GMT -5
I was at the 1997 Columbia game that HC won, 45-16. HC won three games that season (Georgetown at home, Columbia and Lehigh away -- and was awarded a fourth victory over Towson by forfeit even though the game was lost when played). I attended all three victories. After the season, I sent an e-mail to Coach Allen -- something to the effect of "I was your good-luck charm this year, attending all three victories." I got an e-mail back from Coach Allen -- "Please arrange to attend all eleven games next year." Great guy, great person. I would think it was 50% Beezy and 50% Pre-Game speech by TK and Rob McGovern. I think it was my first or third game making the travel squad my freshman year and I did not know what to expect. It would not have mattered, as the pre-game speech was different from any other in my 4 years. TK's speech is smooth, talking about the honor of playing at HC, etc. - very good by normal accounts. McGovern follows, starts shaking and getting into it, talks of laying it on the line, etc. By the end of the speech, every player in the locker room was ready to tear someone's head off. I thought that McGovern was ready to suit up. I won't get into particulars except for one quote (to the effect of and obviously sanitized): "I am going to leave everything on the field. I am not afraid of injuries - Hell you can wheel me into my office later in life."
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Post by dharry13 on Feb 11, 2019 16:04:15 GMT -5
Regarding Confesor leaving:
I think a very important hire for HC to get right for a number of reasons. He was on the younger side and my guess is a lot of the recruits gravitate toward that. He seemed to be a solid recruiter with Young, Blessing, Asante to name a few.
The WR group will have 9 of the 11 to start next year as either Freshmen or Sophomores. Very very young group that could use solid guidance. A lot will be asked of the Freshmen in my opinion and a steady hand will be a big deal to them as the game gets a lot faster and stronger.
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