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Post by joe on Feb 16, 2019 10:37:20 GMT -5
So if we aren’t looking at a transfer, who do we think will earn the starting job, a true freshman who has 3 weeks to learn the system or an upperclassman with no meaningful experience? Our first two games would be challenges for a 5th year senior from Norte Dame, let alone one of our boys. Novina time.
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Feb 16, 2019 10:53:56 GMT -5
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 16, 2019 10:53:56 GMT -5
Are we not looking at a transfer? Who on the staff told you that?
And the freshmen are on campus working out and watching film all summer, so the 3 week thing is inaccurate.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 16, 2019 11:53:10 GMT -5
Players can grow. Once Wade performed fairly well, there was little chance for any backup esp in those last four close games
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Post by southernsader on Feb 16, 2019 12:41:14 GMT -5
IMO, the answer to the "only two choices" cited by HC92 is neither of the above. Who said we were looking for a transfer? What happened to all of the Board's Degenhardt groupies? What separates Butash and makes him the Second Coming in the eyes of many of you? If Clifford won the starting gig at the beginning of last season, Chesney must have seen something in him.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 16, 2019 12:55:58 GMT -5
That would be my thought about CD. With a full year if work I would hope to see him more comfortable in there. Having said that, I can see Butash getting time (without the stupidity of calling him "the second coming" of anything or anyone). I don't see the two big FBS games as "all or nothing" (either competitive or a waste of time with no benefit). I believe our coach sees every minute of every game as a learning opportunity. Better opponents can mean better learning opportunities.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 16, 2019 13:05:55 GMT -5
Poster #1: Joe Jones offers us nothing at quarterback Poster#2: I'm not sure about that-he looked okay when he came in against Dartmouth Poster#3: He's a junior---he hasn't played much but I hear he has talent
Poster #1: I can't believe you guys think Jones is the next Tom Brady....
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 16, 2019 13:47:25 GMT -5
so far CBC has recruited 2 QB's, is there a J Jones transfer likely??
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Post by hcpride on Feb 16, 2019 14:00:49 GMT -5
So if we aren’t looking at a transfer, who do we think will earn the starting job, a true freshman who has 3 weeks to learn the system or an upperclassman with no meaningful experience? Our first two games would be challenges for a 5th year senior from Norte Dame, let alone one of our boys. Novina time. I think you mean the 1st and 4th games. I don't think those will be the most challenging games for our QB since we are likely to play very conservatively on offense (a rare short throw here and there to break up the running offense and otherwise burn the clock). Last year, for example, our 3 quarterbacks only threw 22 passes and completed just 12 (mostly very short) passes for a total of 66 yards v BC. Games 2 (UNH) and 3 (Yale) are games we can win if our team (including QB) plays very well.
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Post by joe on Feb 16, 2019 14:39:33 GMT -5
First two games; first four games, all the same. In other words our schedule is one of the toughest in FCS. If we go 3 and out over and over there is no meaningful experience, and the D will get worn down and injured.
Being up for the Summer is not the same prep as being there for the Spring, at least not for opening at the US Naval Academy. This is a very steep learning curve for a true freshman. Hard enough for a redshirt freshman or upperclassman with zero experience. Even Pujals was a back-up for a time, albeit a very short time.
I’m just assuming no transfer, maybe I’m wrong. What’s the deadline on that? In terms of the existing roster, will be interesting to see who comes out of the Spring as #1. I’d love to see someone break out.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 16, 2019 16:14:40 GMT -5
FWIW, I looked at Butash's ranking on 247sports among 2019 Pro style QBs, and then looked at the commits for five QBs ranked immediately above and five QBs ranked immediately below him. As there were ranked players without commitments, I expanded the ranking until I had 5 QBs with commitments above and 5 QBs with commitments below.
Pro Style QB ranking / committed to: 123 Simon Fraser 124 E Washington 125 Liberty 127 E Tenn State 130 NA (*** from Arlington TX, can't find offers) 131 NA (can't find offers) 132 NA (can't find offers) 133 NA (Offers Pacific Lutheran, SW Minnesota State) 134 Tulsa Butash 135 136 Fordham 137 Dartmouth 138 Stephen F Austin 139 NA (can't find offers) 140 Western Oregon 141 UMass
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Post by cmo on Feb 16, 2019 16:43:49 GMT -5
And your interpretation is?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 16, 2019 19:00:23 GMT -5
And your interpretation is? Butash is not the Second Coming, --at least not right away. Carrollwood Day is a small private school in Tampa that went 6-6 in 2018 in FL Div 2A, which is the second lowest division (of 8) in FL. Looking at the schedule, Carrollwood played only one opponent from a higher division, Jones (Orlando), and lost 34-0. Carrollwood Day is simply not a St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) which had 22 Div I football commits. most of them to Power Five schools. www.aquinas-sta.org/athletics/tradition-of-excellence/college-signeesI don't think it is fair to Butash to put him in a position from the get-go where the quality of the opponents are unlike anything he has ever faced in high school. One can look up his QB rating in the loss to Jones to gain a sense of the challenge it would be for him to be the starting, freshman QB against FBS opponents.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 16, 2019 19:04:29 GMT -5
And your interpretation is? Butash is not the Second Coming, --at least not right away. Carrollwood Day is a small private school in Tampa that went 6-6 in 2018 in FL Div 2A, which is the second lowest division (of 8) in FL. Looking at the schedule, Carrollwood played only one opponent from a higher division, Jones (Orlando), and lost 34-0. Carrollwood Day is simply not a St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) which had 22 Div I football commits. most of them to Power Five schools. www.aquinas-sta.org/athletics/tradition-of-excellence/college-signeesI don't think it is fair to Butash to put him in a position from the get-go where the quality of the opponents are unlike anything he has ever faced in high school. One can look up his QB rating in the loss to Jones to gain a sense of the challenge it would be for him to be the starting, freshman QB against FBS opponents. The coaches offered him early for a reason. They clearly see he can make all the throws and had ability to adapt.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 16, 2019 22:48:46 GMT -5
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Post by gks on Feb 16, 2019 22:56:41 GMT -5
BC QB was 5th or 6th string. Believe Eagles were looking to change his position.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 16, 2019 23:19:22 GMT -5
BC QB was 5th or 6th string. Believe Eagles were looking to change his position. Are all of these FBS players necessarily on scholarship or could some of them be walk-ons or preferred walk-ons who are leaving because things did not work out as they hoped??
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 17, 2019 5:31:47 GMT -5
BC QB was 5th or 6th string. Believe Eagles were looking to change his position. Are all of these FBS players necessarily on scholarship or could some of them be walk-ons or preferred walk-ons who are leaving because things did not work out as they hoped?? The BC QB was redshirted in 2018. Was from Bergen Catholic. Don't think too many walk-ons or preferred walk-ons are redshirted in their freshman year. The transfer from Rutgers to Fordham played in six games as a freshman for Rutgers, so almost certainly a scollie player. He enrolled at Rutgers in the spring semester 2016.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 17, 2019 9:54:43 GMT -5
2 things I guarantee WONT HAPPEN:
1) HC brings in an FBS transfer at QB 2) HC starts a true freshman at QB week 1
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Post by timholycross on Feb 17, 2019 16:05:05 GMT -5
And your interpretation is? Butash is not the Second Coming, --at least not right away. Carrollwood Day is a small private school in Tampa that went 6-6 in 2018 in FL Div 2A, which is the second lowest division (of 8) in FL. Looking at the schedule, Carrollwood played only one opponent from a higher division, Jones (Orlando), and lost 34-0. Carrollwood Day is simply not a St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) which had 22 Div I football commits. most of them to Power Five schools. www.aquinas-sta.org/athletics/tradition-of-excellence/college-signeesI don't think it is fair to Butash to put him in a position from the get-go where the quality of the opponents are unlike anything he has ever faced in high school. One can look up his QB rating in the loss to Jones to gain a sense of the challenge it would be for him to be the starting, freshman QB against FBS opponents. I made the same point in another thread. Hopefully he participated in some camps (or whatever they are called now) where the bar was raised a bit and he looked like he could play. Even with that, I hope they don't throw him in there right away.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 17, 2019 18:53:07 GMT -5
I hope you guys are right but wondering what it is that makes everyone so high on Butash in particular.
Is it his stats? Is it because of other offers received? Highlight tapes?
Hope the hype isn't numbers-based as high school stats in any sport besides swimming and track mean absolutely nothing. If stats were everything then Drew Volkmann should have projected out somewhere between Chase Edmonds and Adrian Peterson.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 17, 2019 19:08:31 GMT -5
I know this is a discussion board but it seems a lot of concern when: 1. No one who knows has said Butash will be starting 2. No one, including the coaches, can ever know with certainty how good he will be until he actually plays 3. Conversely, no one, especially the backbenchers here, can know how well or poorly he will play when and if he actually plays. But I will trust the judgement of our coaches before anyone here on Crossports. 4 I previously posted of examples of freshmen QBs playing well at the highest levels. Not saying Butash will be one of those but it CAN be done. 5. It’s too early to get worked up over this. We still have basketball to occupy our neuroses. 😂
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 17, 2019 19:52:13 GMT -5
Butash is not the Second Coming, --at least not right away. Carrollwood Day is a small private school in Tampa that went 6-6 in 2018 in FL Div 2A, which is the second lowest division (of 8) in FL. Looking at the schedule, Carrollwood played only one opponent from a higher division, Jones (Orlando), and lost 34-0. Carrollwood Day is simply not a St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale) which had 22 Div I football commits. most of them to Power Five schools. www.aquinas-sta.org/athletics/tradition-of-excellence/college-signeesI don't think it is fair to Butash to put him in a position from the get-go where the quality of the opponents are unlike anything he has ever faced in high school. One can look up his QB rating in the loss to Jones to gain a sense of the challenge it would be for him to be the starting, freshman QB against FBS opponents. I made the same point in another thread. Hopefully he participated in some camps (or whatever they are called now) where the bar was raised a bit and he looked like he could play. Even with that, I hope they don't throw him in there right away. Before the latest Super Bowl, there was a video profile about the QB the 49ers drafted way ahead of a skinny QB from the Bay area. He had great numbers in college playing FCS#, but apparently couldn't read pro defenses. He was cut at the end of pre-season. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Carmazzi# But 3500 fewer total career passing yards than DR. DR threw for less than 2500 yards in his HS career, albeit playing for St. Xavier, which, from time-to-time, captures the Div I state of Ohio championship..
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 17, 2019 20:57:01 GMT -5
In addition to the coaches eye witness reports from Chris Butash's high school games I should think they'd be looking at a lot of video. Even if it's highlight reels, they can see how far downfield he can throw, see if he checks for secondary or tertiary receivers, put a stopwatch on his throws, on how quickly he makes his throws and how fast a pass he throws, etc. Were his receivers all wide open or is he able to make accurate passes to small windows? I don't think they are relying on just gaudy stats against low-level competition.
Do we get any stats from football camps--to confirm/contradict the measures in Hudl?
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Feb 17, 2019 22:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Feb 17, 2019 22:29:34 GMT -5
I hope you guys are right but wondering what it is that makes everyone so high on Butash in particular. Is it his stats? Is it because of other offers received? Highlight tapes? Hope the hype isn't numbers-based as high school stats in any sport besides swimming and track mean absolutely nothing. If stats were everything then Drew Volkmann should have projected out somewhere between Chase Edmonds and Adrian Peterson. I don’t think it’s a matter of being high on Butash so much as being low on the other options and hopeful about Butash as a relative unknown. If we’re being honest, Clifford was really not good last year as a Junior. I think Degenhardt was third on the depth chart all year and is the only QB other than Wade or Clifford who attempted a pass (1 vs BC) so I guess he’s the next man up of the returnees. It makes me nervous that he didn’t surpass Clifford on the depth chart or see any action late in the year. The other returning QBs are Jr Dean Nagle and Soph Eddie Scott. I don’t know anything about either one except that it appears they were 4th and 5th last year. Maybe one of the returnees will step up. That would be a very nice surprise.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 17, 2019 23:17:22 GMT -5
Agreed...we are "whistling by the graveyard" given our schedule next year and no QB with any real college experience returning....it is what it is...but to say an FBS transfer QB is out of the question is a bit presumptious imo
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