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Feb 18, 2019 1:04:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 1:04:31 GMT -5
In addition to the coaches eye witness reports from Chris Butash's high school games I should think they'd be looking at a lot of video. Even if it's highlight reels, they can see how far downfield he can throw, see if he checks for secondary or tertiary receivers, put a stopwatch on his throws, on how quickly he makes his throws and how fast a pass he throws, etc. Were his receivers all wide open or is he able to make accurate passes to small windows? I don't think they are relying on just gaudy stats against low-level competition. Do we get any stats from football camps--to confirm/contradict the measures in Hudl? There were lots of kids that put up huge numbers at sub par high schools that never played during their 4 years in Worcester. Dom Randolph was a backup at St Xavier, however, was part of a highly competitive and winning high school culture that set the stage for his success at Holy Cross. If I was a recruiter at HC, I would target kids at nationally ranked high school programs that may fly under the radar.... If you face sub par competition in high school and go (6-6), there is absolutely no chance you can have any impact as a true freshmen. We really need to pickup a transfer or focus our attention on running the option (if we can't pass, we might as well find other ways to win)
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Feb 18, 2019 7:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Feb 18, 2019 7:46:30 GMT -5
Any chance Wade does a 5th year as a medical redshirt?
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Feb 18, 2019 8:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Feb 18, 2019 8:14:29 GMT -5
Any chance Wade does a 5th year as a medical redshirt? Not positive but I think that would be known by now and reflected on the 2019-20 roster.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 18, 2019 8:33:01 GMT -5
In addition to the coaches eye witness reports from Chris Butash's high school games I should think they'd be looking at a lot of video. Even if it's highlight reels, they can see how far downfield he can throw, see if he checks for secondary or tertiary receivers, put a stopwatch on his throws, on how quickly he makes his throws and how fast a pass he throws, etc. Were his receivers all wide open or is he able to make accurate passes to small windows? I don't think they are relying on just gaudy stats against low-level competition. Do we get any stats from football camps--to confirm/contradict the measures in Hudl? Obviously the coaching staff doesn't rely on stats to pick recruiting classes. However, I feel like many times message board posters decide to "anoint the next savior" by looking at incoming players from this lens. I fully believe the Chesney staff knows exactly what it's doing.
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Feb 18, 2019 9:35:28 GMT -5
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Post by richh on Feb 18, 2019 9:35:28 GMT -5
Any chance Wade does a 5th year as a medical redshirt? Not positive but I think that would be known by now and reflected on the 2019-20 roster. Probably not. 5th years have to file with NCAA. Once approved it goes to the PL for approval. Up to the player to file. If he has already filed you may know by Spring practice. If not preseason camp.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 18, 2019 9:37:20 GMT -5
Divining who will be the next star and next bust is probably more an art than a science. If statistics were sufficient, someone would have written a program by now.
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Feb 18, 2019 9:38:55 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Feb 18, 2019 9:38:55 GMT -5
I think it's ironic that with the spread offenses and more (make that much more) passing; it's become even harder to judge qb talent, especially from the stats.
You put kids with decent speed out there on turf, spread 'em out; and there's not too many high school teams that have a clue how to cover them.
Consider our former rivals in Chestnut Hill. Troy Flutie broke everyone's records in Massachusetts, could move around pretty well and was a good 3-4 inches taller than his uncle. The fans couldn't wait for the starter (who was pretty much just a runner) to go down and see him out there. He was awful.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 18, 2019 9:50:36 GMT -5
If Wade were applying for a redshirt, would he be on the roster ? He is not there.
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Feb 18, 2019 11:56:37 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 18, 2019 11:56:37 GMT -5
In addition to the coaches eye witness reports from Chris Butash's high school games I should think they'd be looking at a lot of video. Even if it's highlight reels, they can see how far downfield he can throw, see if he checks for secondary or tertiary receivers, put a stopwatch on his throws, on how quickly he makes his throws and how fast a pass he throws, etc. Were his receivers all wide open or is he able to make accurate passes to small windows? I don't think they are relying on just gaudy stats against low-level competition. Do we get any stats from football camps--to confirm/contradict the measures in Hudl? Carrollwood Day apparently had 38 players on its football roster in 2018. So not even a two deep. Its hard to evaluate overall team talent where apparently everyone can and does play, --often on both sides of the ball. In the video highlights of a Carrollwood Day 61-6 victory, Butash threw a touchdown pass that went about 33 yards in the air to a wide open receiver. In that highlight reel, the other team looked inept, which is one classification above terrible. www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/carrollwood-day-patriots-(tampa,fl)/football/roster.htm In the loss to Jones (a higher division school) there are no highlights to speak of; Carrollwood Day had less than 100 yards total offense. Link below to Carrollwood loss to Jones, highlights. Carrollwood in white. Jones video first, followed by Carrollwood video. The Jones QB, a soph, has since transferred to IMG Academy, class of 2021. www.maxpreps.com/games/football-fall-18/carrollwood-day-vs-jones/10-11-2018-gIcR6rI_V0moA30FXfzSUg.htm#tab=recap&schoolid=
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Feb 18, 2019 11:59:46 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Feb 18, 2019 11:59:46 GMT -5
Given our bare [experienced] quarterback cupboard, it is not a shocker hope springs eternal regarding an incoming frosh. Or a transfer. Or a Wade redshirt.
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Feb 18, 2019 12:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by richh on Feb 18, 2019 12:17:04 GMT -5
If Wade were applying for a redshirt, would he on the roster ? He is not there. He cant be until 5th year approved.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 18, 2019 14:26:44 GMT -5
Clifford and Degenhardt were good recruits and the coaches have had another full year to work with them. Any chance either has come along enough to be the first starter? Might either or both be moved to play a different position?
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Feb 19, 2019 7:37:27 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 19, 2019 7:37:27 GMT -5
Is Wade for sure pursuing a 5th year at HC?
If so, you would think that puts a damper on the already-microscopic possibility of an FBS transfer coming in.
If Wade is back, he will for sure start the season for us in Annapolis.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 19, 2019 9:52:56 GMT -5
Is Wade for sure pursuing a 5th year at HC? If so, you would think that puts a damper on the already-microscopic possibility of an FBS transfer coming in. If Wade is back, he will for sure start the season for us in Annapolis. Is there any reason to believe Wade is pursuing a fifth year? I have not heard that. There are multiple guys on next year’s roster who were seniors this year so I have been assuming all the fifth year paperwork that is going to be done has been done.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 19, 2019 10:08:12 GMT -5
The only place I saw any reference to Wade's fifth year has been on CROSSPORTS and (get ready for a shock) not everything here is correct. After some attacked him early on, I liked his season and would like to have him back, but I am not holding my breath.
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Feb 19, 2019 14:12:55 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 19, 2019 14:12:55 GMT -5
I believe for Wade to take a fifth year, he has to have taken the current semester off. And then enroll next fall for his eighth (and final) semester at HC. On the old board, there were student posters who might have posted whether he was enrolled for the Spring 2019 semester. But alas.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 19, 2019 14:21:57 GMT -5
I would bet a decent chunk of money Wade is not coming back so let’s focus on the guys who are in our search for a 2019 QB until someone comes forward with some info that Wade is looking to come back.
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Feb 19, 2019 16:06:43 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 19, 2019 16:06:43 GMT -5
I believe you are correct tgstWade not coming back.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2019 17:20:33 GMT -5
Without assurances that you would be starting or at least having a significant role on the team, it would be tough to take your Senior Spring semester off from school and give up graduating with your class.
Given Wade's career to date and the fact that he wouldn't even be able to participate in Spring practice because he would not be enrolled in school, I can see why the staff might feel it's in the best interest in the program to not make those assurances to Wade and move on with the offense in a different direction.
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Feb 19, 2019 22:12:00 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 19, 2019 22:12:00 GMT -5
I believe for Wade to take a fifth year, he has to have taken the current semester off. And then enroll next fall for his eighth (and final) semester at HC. On the old board, there were student posters who might have posted whether he was enrolled for the Spring 2019 semester. But alas. This was definitely true before scholarships. Back then you got 8 semesters of whatever your financial aid package was and that’s it. So, guys who had fifth years approved would take the spring off from school and complete their final semester in the fall. Casey Gough, Dom Randolph, Chris Poole, Chris Smith, Bill Edger and Sean Lamkin all did this during years I was at HC. However, now that scholarships are a thing, I would imagine that it’s possible to stay enrolled. If you come back for a fifth year, you should just take one scholarship away from the incoming class and academicslly be required to add a minor or double major. Basketball, for example, traverses both semesters so fifth year guys wind up doing ten semesters enrolled and on scholarship. Pat Doherty and Andrew Keister both did this and both had to add either a concentration, minor or second major.
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Feb 19, 2019 22:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 19, 2019 22:44:51 GMT -5
I believe for Wade to take a fifth year, he has to have taken the current semester off. And then enroll next fall for his eighth (and final) semester at HC. On the old board, there were student posters who might have posted whether he was enrolled for the Spring 2019 semester. But alas. This was definitely true before scholarships. Back then you got 8 semesters of whatever your financial aid package was and that’s it. So, guys who had fifth years approved would take the spring off from school and complete their final semester in the fall. Casey Gough, Dom Randolph, Chris Poole, Chris Smith, Bill Edger and Sean Lamkin all did this during years I was at HC. However, now that scholarships are a thing, I would imagine that it’s possible to stay enrolled. If you come back for a fifth year, you should just take one scholarship away from the incoming class and academicslly be required to add a minor or double major. Basketball, for example, traverses both semesters so fifth year guys wind up doing ten semesters enrolled and on scholarship. Pat Doherty and Andrew Keister both did this and both had to add either a concentration, minor or second major. To stay for the 5th year at HC, you would need to pick up a double major (or possibly minor) - something that’s nearly impossible unless planned far in advnace of the Spring of your Senior year.
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Post by inhocsigno on Feb 20, 2019 8:22:44 GMT -5
Just take 4 more Fr. Reboli classes - and pick up an Art History minor.
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Feb 20, 2019 9:05:50 GMT -5
Post by joe on Feb 20, 2019 9:05:50 GMT -5
Or perhaps the student's parents pay for another semester and HC gets another paycheck. Not every student is schollie dependent.
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Feb 20, 2019 9:44:03 GMT -5
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Post by richh on Feb 20, 2019 9:44:03 GMT -5
I believe for Wade to take a fifth year, he has to have taken the current semester off. And then enroll next fall for his eighth (and final) semester at HC. On the old board, there were student posters who might have posted whether he was enrolled for the Spring 2019 semester. But alas. This was definitely true before scholarships. Back then you got 8 semesters of whatever your financial aid package was and that’s it. So, guys who had fifth years approved would take the spring off from school and complete their final semester in the fall. Casey Gough, Dom Randolph, Chris Poole, Chris Smith, Bill Edger and Sean Lamkin all did this during years I was at HC. However, now that scholarships are a thing, I would imagine that it’s possible to stay enrolled. If you come back for a fifth year, you should just take one scholarship away from the incoming class and academicslly be required to add a minor or double major. Basketball, for example, traverses both semesters so fifth year guys wind up doing ten semesters enrolled and on scholarship. Pat Doherty and Andrew Keister both did this and both had to add either a concentration, minor or second major. Agreed. There is no absolute requirement for a student to take a semester off in order to use a 5th year. That was the usual practice preschollie. Schollies are still 8 semester awards. To be eligible player 1st needs to qualify by showing hardship or injury that prevented participation. Second, the player must must have uncompleted academic courses to complete his degree requirements. The semester off requirement is a university requirement not a PL bylaw. I cant speak to Holy Cross policies but at Lehigh each case is determined based upon the individual athlete's circumstances. Where the injury or hardship requires too much time away from class, the student usually withdraws for the semester. Usually this involves a family crisis such as serious illness or death. Injuries such as ACLs and shoulder injuries, which are the most common, usually do not prevent the student from attending class. LU does not require them to withdraw.
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Feb 20, 2019 9:59:59 GMT -5
Post by hc6774 on Feb 20, 2019 9:59:59 GMT -5
This was definitely true before scholarships. Back then you got 8 semesters of whatever your financial aid package was and that’s it. So, guys who had fifth years approved would take the spring off from school and complete their final semester in the fall. Casey Gough, Dom Randolph, Chris Poole, Chris Smith, Bill Edger and Sean Lamkin all did this during years I was at HC. However, now that scholarships are a thing, I would imagine that it’s possible to stay enrolled. If you come back for a fifth year, you should just take one scholarship away from the incoming class and academicslly be required to add a minor or double major. Basketball, for example, traverses both semesters so fifth year guys wind up doing ten semesters enrolled and on scholarship. Pat Doherty and Andrew Keister both did this and both had to add either a concentration, minor or second major. Agreed. There is no absolute requirement for a student to take a semester off in order to use a 5th year. That was the usual practice preschollie. Schollies are still 8 semester awards. To be eligible player 1st needs to qualify by showing hardship or injury that prevented participation. Second, the player must must have uncompleted academic courses to complete his degree requirements. The semester off requirement is a university requirement not a PL bylaw. I cant speak to Holy Cross policies but at Lehigh each case is determined based upon the individual athlete's circumstances. Where the injury or hardship requires too much time away from class, the student usually withdraws for the semester. Usually this involves a family crisis such as serious illness or death. Injuries such as ACLs and shoulder injuries, which are the most common, usually do not prevent the student from attending class. LU does not require them to withdraw. doesn't PL require the player to take a full academic load in season... so merely taking a course or two to complete degree requirements would not meet this requirement?
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