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Feb 20, 2019 10:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by richh on Feb 20, 2019 10:32:52 GMT -5
Agreed. There is no absolute requirement for a student to take a semester off in order to use a 5th year. That was the usual practice preschollie. Schollies are still 8 semester awards. To be eligible player 1st needs to qualify by showing hardship or injury that prevented participation. Second, the player must must have uncompleted academic courses to complete his degree requirements. The semester off requirement is a university requirement not a PL bylaw. I cant speak to Holy Cross policies but at Lehigh each case is determined based upon the individual athlete's circumstances. Where the injury or hardship requires too much time away from class, the student usually withdraws for the semester. Usually this involves a family crisis such as serious illness or death. Injuries such as ACLs and shoulder injuries, which are the most common, usually do not prevent the student from attending class. LU does not require them to withdraw. doesn't PL require the player to take a full academic load in season... so merely taking a course or two to complete degree requirements would not meet this requirement? Rules require normal academic progress as a full time student. One or two classes would make you a part time student. The key is degree requirements. A student ,for example, takes a full load every semester but mid soph year changes major from biochem to English. Unless he overloads for multiple semesters he will finish 4 yrs possibly short of requirements for an English degree. Even more likely at least at Lehigh are 5yr double majors and interdisciplinary majors all requiring more credits. Another possibility is alternating semesters at 15 and 12 credits. Both qualify as full time students and fall within normal academic progress definitions Bottom line this is the PL. Most Kids pick our schools based more on academic offerings and not just on a sport. At Lehigh our 5th years who dont take a semester off will be given a new schollie for his last year. It is certainly worth the investment by the coach. 5th year players are usually worth much more than a frosh.
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Feb 20, 2019 12:54:20 GMT -5
Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 20, 2019 12:54:20 GMT -5
This was definitely true before scholarships. Back then you got 8 semesters of whatever your financial aid package was and that’s it. So, guys who had fifth years approved would take the spring off from school and complete their final semester in the fall. Casey Gough, Dom Randolph, Chris Poole, Chris Smith, Bill Edger and Sean Lamkin all did this during years I was at HC. However, now that scholarships are a thing, I would imagine that it’s possible to stay enrolled. If you come back for a fifth year, you should just take one scholarship away from the incoming class and academicslly be required to add a minor or double major. Basketball, for example, traverses both semesters so fifth year guys wind up doing ten semesters enrolled and on scholarship. Pat Doherty and Andrew Keister both did this and both had to add either a concentration, minor or second major. To stay for the 5th year at HC, you would need to pick up a double major (or possibly minor) - something that’s nearly impossible unless planned far in advnace of the Spring of your Senior year. Makes sense. Keister and Doherty both had plenty of time to plan for this with their injuries occurring early in their careers. Just another example of how even with scholarships we are at a disadvantage against schools with grad programs, making it easy for fifth year seniors to stay in school with another year of scholarship eligibility.
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Feb 21, 2019 9:20:28 GMT -5
Post by scrantonsader on Feb 21, 2019 9:20:28 GMT -5
Wade is, for sure, not returning for a fifth year.
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Feb 21, 2019 11:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 21, 2019 11:12:25 GMT -5
Many of our 5th years pay their own way for the semester.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2019 13:13:31 GMT -5
Agree. I only have indirect knowledge but matches your post. Had a discussion with one of the 5th year seniors in which we talked about QB situation and Wade's name never came up. So, by ommission assume he's not going to be on the team or would have been the first name.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 21, 2019 15:07:01 GMT -5
My understanding is while Wade did not play his first year, he was not injured, thus not eligible for a medical redshirt in the fifth year, under Patriot League guidelines.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 22, 2019 7:22:41 GMT -5
Best of luck to Mr. Wade. Hope he enjoys his senior spring to the fullest. His family should be very proud of the contributions he made to the school.
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Mar 29, 2019 7:41:03 GMT -5
Post by joe on Mar 29, 2019 7:41:03 GMT -5
Anyone happen to have any info on who is running with the first offense, getting more reps, anything?
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Apr 1, 2019 18:39:52 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 1, 2019 18:39:52 GMT -5
A clue?
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Apr 1, 2019 19:08:43 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 1, 2019 19:08:43 GMT -5
I think the starting job will go to Clifford unless Butash proves to be amazing in August practices
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 1, 2019 19:11:33 GMT -5
If it goes to Clifford, let’s hope he has made significant strides during the offseason.
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Apr 1, 2019 19:31:44 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Apr 1, 2019 19:31:44 GMT -5
Kortebein, a senior, played 10 games last season with 6 total tackles
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Apr 1, 2019 19:38:45 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Apr 1, 2019 19:38:45 GMT -5
Hmmm.
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Apr 1, 2019 20:34:59 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 1, 2019 20:34:59 GMT -5
Kortebein, a senior, played 10 games last season with 6 total tackles I don't believe he was on the first or second team for many games and thus I am guessing most of his playing time came on special teams. WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Holy Cross football team rallied from a 26-point deficit with less than 20 minutes remaining to post a 32-31 victory Georgetown at Cooper Field. The Crusaders wrap up the season at 5-6 overall and 4-2 in the Patriot League, while the Hoyas conclude the season at 5-6 overall and 4-2 in the conference. After trailing 31-5, senior quarterback Geoff Wade threw a 20-yard touchdown pass to senior wide receiver Martin Dorsey with 4:21 left in the third quarter to begin the comeback. Early in the fourth quarter, junior defensive back Macklin Kortebein blocked a punt which was returned 38 yards for a touchdown by freshman wide receiver Spencer Gilliam. Less than five minutes later, Kortebein blocked a second punt which freshman tailback Peter Oliver brought back 27 yards for a score, and the Crusaders trailed 31-25. Still down by six with less than a minute and half to play, Wade found sophomore wide out Tenio Ayeni for 30 yards on a third-and-15 play to give the Crusaders a first down at the Georgetown 23-yard line. Five plays later, junior tailback Miles Alexander scored on a two-yard run with just 42 seconds on the clock to put Holy Cross up 32-31. Georgetown would have one last possession, but on the third play junior defensive back Chris Riley intercepted a pass to put the game away. The Crusader defense held Georgetown to just 212 yards of total offense and 10 first downs on the afternoon, while forcing a pair of turnovers. Senior linebacker Ryan Brady led the way with 16 tackles, three tackles for loss and a safety, while senior defensive lineman Teddy Capsis added nine tackles with four tackles for loss. On the offensive side of the ball, Dorsey had a career-best 13 receptions for 139 yards and a score.
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Apr 1, 2019 20:42:11 GMT -5
Post by breezy on Apr 1, 2019 20:42:11 GMT -5
KY, as usual, is correct.
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Apr 1, 2019 21:02:12 GMT -5
Post by thecrossisback on Apr 1, 2019 21:02:12 GMT -5
Clifford worries me, would rather play Butash. Clifford did little to nothing and made Wade look like Montana especially against Yale.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 1, 2019 21:18:03 GMT -5
Clifford definitely struggled last year. If he’s the guy, you have to assume he’s made a leap from where he was last year. Experience will help in the early part of the schedule. Will be rooting hard for whoever it is under center come Week One.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 1, 2019 21:55:56 GMT -5
KY, as usual, is correct. Very kind of you!! I am going to show this to Mrs KY and she may not stop laughing for hours....
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Post by southernsader on Apr 1, 2019 22:47:25 GMT -5
Clifford did struggle last year, but he must have shown the coaches something to come out of the gate as the starter. I fully expect him to start this year and to be much improved.
I continue to be puzzled what the basis is for so many posters to push Butash as if he were some big time blue chip recruit. Hope he does well eventually, but it is unrealistic to expect anything from him as a true frosh.
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Apr 1, 2019 23:06:09 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 1, 2019 23:06:09 GMT -5
Clifford did struggle last year, but he must have shown the coaches something to come out of the gate as the starter. I fully expect him to start this year and to be much improved. I continue to be puzzled what the basis is for so many posters to push Butash as if he were some big time blue chip recruit. Hope he does well eventually, but it is unrealistic to expect anything from him as a true frosh. I think we all understand that he went to a very small high school and was not being recruited by Alabama or Clemson or Nebraska. I don't think there's anything wrong with hoping he arrives as a game ready starter even if we don't expect that to happen. We have had many freshmen quarterbacks who have excelled in past seasons
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Post by hc80 on Apr 2, 2019 0:15:41 GMT -5
Does not surprise me that Clifford is leading the field for QB. After all, he was the starting QB for a team that won the Illinois state championship - at the biggest school level. The kid has talent - and while it was a struggle last year - he will be much improved as a result.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 2, 2019 4:54:55 GMT -5
There was a photograph of Wade and Clifford walking off the field together, side-by-side, following a game in which Wade came in for Clifford and sparked the offense. Clifford was a whole head shorter than Wade.
From that photograph, I concluded Clifford is shorter than his listed height, and also came to think that the RPO was put in to allow Clifford to see the field better.
I doubt Clifford has grown, nor do I think that that linemen have shrunk over the past year.
If Clifford is the starter, its likely, IMO, that Mr. Spread 'em and Shred 'em, will be back to his RPO offensive scheme. And if that again fails, there is no QB on the roster with college-level game experience as a drop back passer.
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 2, 2019 6:35:01 GMT -5
when I look at the team's experience level. I see RB's & OL's...
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Post by hc6774 on Apr 2, 2019 7:32:49 GMT -5
when I look at the team's experience level. I see RB's & OL's... In addition to the above, CBC's 2 QB recruits seem to favor a run first mentality... the RPO. If Clifford as a season starter, has an HC QB had tougher assignments, two years in a row, in the last 10 - 15 years?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 4, 2019 7:12:43 GMT -5
I hope Butash turns into a player here but there is ZERO CHANCE IMO that he emerges from camp as the starter against Navy.
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