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Apr 17, 2019 14:56:43 GMT -5
Post by hc6774 on Apr 17, 2019 14:56:43 GMT -5
As I read BC's roster notes, Perry has already matriculated 2 and a half years at BC. He enrolled in Jan 2017, and participated in spring practice that year. If he enrolled at HC, he would have two years of football eligibility, and would also need four academic semesters at HC. His extra semester at BC would count for naught. ---Unless, he enrolled in HC / Notre Dame's computer science 3/2 program and an 'on-line' semester would satisfy the NCAA with respect to enrollment. He is a computer science major at BC. Isn't the HC/ND program a bachelor's/master's program? ...unlike the 3/2 engineering program which is 2 bachelors awarded both awarded after the 5th year.
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Apr 17, 2019 14:57:47 GMT -5
Post by joe on Apr 17, 2019 14:57:47 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the NCAA can be petitioned to get another year of eligibility back in this situation, and he can claim that he had a virtually insignificant amount of playing time one year. Kind of a spirit-of-the-law vs letter-of-the-law-situation. Seems like hardship appeals are given consideration these days.
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Apr 17, 2019 15:17:09 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 17, 2019 15:17:09 GMT -5
As I read BC's roster notes, Perry has already matriculated 2 and a half years at BC. He enrolled in Jan 2017, and participated in spring practice that year. If he enrolled at HC, he would have two years of football eligibility, and would also need four academic semesters at HC. His extra semester at BC would count for naught. ---Unless, he enrolled in HC / Notre Dame's computer science 3/2 program and an 'on-line' semester would satisfy the NCAA with respect to enrollment. He is a computer science major at BC. Isn't the HC/ND program a bachelor's/master's program? ...unlike the 3/2 engineering program which is 2 bachelors awarded both awarded after the 5th year. Yes, it is a bachelor / master's. The 'graduate' coursework is apparently all done on-line.
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Apr 17, 2019 15:21:04 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 17, 2019 15:21:04 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the NCAA can be petitioned to get another year of eligibility back in this situation, and he can claim that he had a virtually insignificant amount of playing time one year. Kind of a spirit-of-the-law vs letter-of-the-law-situation. Seems like hardship appeals are given consideration these days. Perry played in six games his freshman year.
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Apr 17, 2019 16:42:06 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Apr 17, 2019 16:42:06 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the NCAA can be petitioned to get another year of eligibility back in this situation, and he can claim that he had a virtually insignificant amount of playing time one year. Kind of a spirit-of-the-law vs letter-of-the-law-situation. Seems like hardship appeals are given consideration these days. Perry played in six games his freshman year. Yes. His frosh year he played so that is gone. His 2nd year he did not play in over 4 games [new redshirt rule]. So, he has three two years of eligibility remaining. (Any year may count as a redshirt year - it is not confined to freshman year. )
{Edited after scrutinizing roster verbiage and statistics).
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Post by jsherman on Apr 17, 2019 16:55:49 GMT -5
Joined this board because I know one of the incoming freshman.
It is fun to speculate, I personally am looking forward to some concrete answers from the coaching staff as the summer progresses.
Could be a very exciting year!
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 17, 2019 17:04:09 GMT -5
Welcome to CROSSPORTS, jsherman. Post often.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 17, 2019 18:02:14 GMT -5
I read somewhere that the NCAA can be petitioned to get another year of eligibility back in this situation, and he can claim that he had a virtually insignificant amount of playing time one year. Kind of a spirit-of-the-law vs letter-of-the-law-situation. Seems like hardship appeals are given consideration these days. Perry played in six games his freshman year. One game. Six snaps. All handoffs.
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Apr 17, 2019 19:05:21 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 17, 2019 19:05:21 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 17, 2019 19:17:33 GMT -5
No stats in 2017 but he did take 6 snaps against UConn. The question is whether he can get back that year of eligibility or whether it was burned by the six snaps.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 17, 2019 20:55:04 GMT -5
We are becoming a bit of a football factory … thank God.
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2019 QB
Apr 17, 2019 21:03:44 GMT -5
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Post by jsherman on Apr 17, 2019 21:03:44 GMT -5
Welcome to CROSSPORTS, jsherman. Post often. thank you!
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Apr 18, 2019 7:18:21 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 18, 2019 7:18:21 GMT -5
No stats in 2017 but he did take 6 snaps against UConn. The question is whether he can get back that year of eligibility or whether it was burned by the six snaps. He is not listed as participating in the UConn game. bceagles.com/boxscore.aspx?id=14931&path=football#startersThe play-by-play of garbage time near the end of the 4th quarter indicates either BC running backs ran the ball exclusively or BC punted. I thought the rule on participation was that if you were on the field for at least one play, that meant you 'participated'. Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of that rule. ____________________________ With respect to computer science graduate programs, Brown is ranked #25 nationally. (Notre Dame is #58), Rice is ranked #20. Villanova not ranked in computer science by USN&WR, the 'n' value is 188 for computer science programs..
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Apr 18, 2019 7:41:28 GMT -5
Post by hc6774 on Apr 18, 2019 7:41:28 GMT -5
don't both IL & PL restrict participation in athletic programs to undergrads?
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Apr 18, 2019 8:34:10 GMT -5
Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 18, 2019 8:34:10 GMT -5
don't both IL & PL restrict participation in athletic programs to undergrads? ivyserver.princeton.edu/ivy/downloads/rulesummary/ivysummary.pdf^^^ This is a fascinating document, but perhaps fascinating to only a few. I'll start a separate thread on the Academic Index in General Sports. It would be interesting to read a similar document for the PL, and see how many of the provisions are similar, or replicated. (Note: I may not start a separate thread unless I can find an AI section in the current Ivy League Manual.) Edit: This document on Princeton's wen server is not the latest word. (I realized that because the floor AI score is the old number.) From Penn, here is a link to the apparently current Ivy League manual. s3.amazonaws.com/penn.sidearmsports.com/documents/2018/9/14/Ivy_Manual_2017_18.pdfFrom the Manual,
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Apr 18, 2019 10:10:21 GMT -5
Post by timholycross on Apr 18, 2019 10:10:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether the rule has changed since 2017 but there was much mention of Perry burning a year by playing in the UConn game. Think it had something to do with him being the backup for the bowl game too although he never got in that one.
Made no sense if down the road they saw him as the starting quarterback, but I recall something to the effect that he and his family bought off on it.
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Apr 18, 2019 11:02:48 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Apr 18, 2019 11:02:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether the rule has changed since 2017 but there was much mention of Perry burning a year by playing in the UConn game. Think it had something to do with him being the backup for the bowl game too although he never got in that one. Made no sense if down the road they saw him as the starting quarterback, but I recall something to the effect that he and his family bought off on it. Yes, briefly participating in that one blowout of UConn in 2017 burned that year (and, of course, it is irrelevant for redshirt-burning purposes whether he threw a pass, handed off, rushed or kicked the ball). Agree it is an odd call (if they saw a bright future with him.) And by participating in a 5th game this past year (the new rule allows a redshirt to be preserved with 4 games or less) the year is similarly burned. (Since the new rule coaches have been able to preserve years for high-potential backup QBs, for example, by giving them pretty good experience in 4 games...and using a 3rd stringer once in a while in meaningless blowouts. Situations like Perry's as a frosh is one reason why the rule changed.)
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Apr 18, 2019 11:17:50 GMT -5
Post by joe on Apr 18, 2019 11:17:50 GMT -5
From the Eagle-Tribune 8/19/18:
"There is still a chance BC could petition the NCAA and get the redshirt year back. Particularly since the NCAA recently announced more liberal rules for redshirting which Perry easily would have qualified for."
Take it for what it's worth. If true, could HC also petition the NCAA on his behalf?
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2019 QB
Apr 18, 2019 12:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 18, 2019 12:11:36 GMT -5
Maybe we’ll only need him as Butash’s backup for two seasons anyways........
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Apr 18, 2019 12:22:59 GMT -5
Post by hcpride on Apr 18, 2019 12:22:59 GMT -5
From the Eagle-Tribune 8/19/18: "There is still a chance BC could petition the NCAA and get the redshirt year back. Particularly since the NCAA recently announced more liberal rules for redshirting which Perry easily would have qualified for." Take it for what it's worth. If true, could HC also petition the NCAA on his behalf?Not if we stay in the Patriot League.
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Apr 18, 2019 13:04:10 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Apr 18, 2019 13:04:10 GMT -5
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Apr 22, 2019 10:51:31 GMT -5
Post by hc87 on Apr 22, 2019 10:51:31 GMT -5
Been a few days, anything new on this? What is the usual timeline on transfers via admissions dept.?
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2019 QB
Apr 25, 2019 14:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by latoworcester on Apr 25, 2019 14:26:10 GMT -5
Per team sources Mathew Considine, QB at Wake Forest, will be on campus today and tomorrow for an official visit due to a possible transfer. And EJ Perry will have his official visit Saturday and Sunday if this weekend
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 25, 2019 14:52:57 GMT -5
Wow-- that is exciting news.
Gunnar Hoak has indicated he'll be transferring from U of Kentucky--let's add him to the mix
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Apr 25, 2019 14:54:59 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 25, 2019 14:54:59 GMT -5
Looks like Considine red-shirted his first season then played in one game last season, throwing 2 passes which were not caught.
Redshirted ...2017 Named to the ACC Academic Honor Roll.
High School
Team Captain as a Junior and Senior ... 17-2 record as a two-year starter ... Led SJA to its first undefeated season (10-0) in school history and won the North Florida Football Conference (NFFC) statewide championship title ... Named to the NFFC 2016 All-Conference Team and All-Southern Division Team ... Honorable Mention selection to the Florida Athletic Coaches Association District 6 All-District 2016 Team ... Honorable Mention selection to Duval Sports 2016 All-Area Prep School Team and St. Augustine Record’s All-St. Johns County Team ... Senior season ranked 8th out of 53 N.E. Florida quarterbacks (3rd for TDs) ... Named to the Florida Times-Union’s 2017 top-ten list of Scholar Athletes ... Together with receiver Tre Preston broke St. Johns County’s all time single-season TD reception record.
Personal
Son of Tracy and Katherine Considine ... Born Nov. 8, 1998 ... Graduated No. 2 in his class with a 4.64 GPA ... Salutatorian ... National Honor Society Inductee ... Eagle Scout.
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