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Post by alum on Feb 19, 2019 15:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Feb 19, 2019 15:52:48 GMT -5
Total insanity. And he got the Boras-special opt out so that the Padres are guaranteed to either lose him after 5 years or pay above market for years 6-10.
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Post by alum on Feb 19, 2019 16:00:49 GMT -5
Total insanity. And he got the Boras-special opt out so that the Padres are guaranteed to either lose him after 5 years or pay above market for years 6-10. Padres didn't get the memo about not paying this much. I hate long term contracts. I know that Pedroia took a bit of a home town discount years ago but the idea of the Sox paying him $40 million over the next three seasons is driving me crazy.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 19, 2019 16:05:28 GMT -5
Great example to all: run when you feel like it. Engage when you feel like it. Do absolute squat when the lights are the brightest. Get 300 mil.
Now watch what the other big-name, non-winner will get from some chump club when Harper inks, b/c you know it will be more.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 19, 2019 16:35:06 GMT -5
Just happy the Yankees didn’t seriously engage on Machado and seem not to be involved with Harper. Of course, I probably just jinxed it and they will sign Harper for 12 years and $480M with player opt outs after each season.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 19, 2019 19:47:37 GMT -5
There's a big difference between this deal and the Angels ludicrous offer to Albert Pujols 7 years ago, Machado is 25 and likely has his most productive years ahead of him; Pujols was 31 and already has=d shown signs of decline. I don't know about the $300MM, but Machado looks to be improving--increased his sub-optimal OBP by being a bit more selective at the plate last year and is good for 30-35 hr's and a .280+ batting average. Of course, he's also one of the greatest fielders in history.
Harper is also 25 and has been hot and cold. He has the potential for ripping off a string of .320/.420/.600+ seasons for years to come. Visually, I include him with two other batters whose swing was positively frightening to watch: Harmon Killebrew and Josh Hamilton.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 19, 2019 20:58:12 GMT -5
There's a big difference between this deal and the Angels ludicrous offer to Albert Pujols 7 years ago, Machado is 25 and likely has his most productive years ahead of him; Pujols was 31 and already has=d shown signs of decline. I don't know about the $300MM, but Machado looks to be improving--increased his sub-optimal OBP by being a bit more selective at the plate last year and is good for 30-35 hr's and a .280+ batting average. Of course, he's also one of the greatest fielders in history. Harper is also 25 and has been hot and cold. He has the potential for ripping off a string of .320/.420/.600+ seasons for years to come. Visually, I include him with two other batters whose swing was positively frightening to watch: Harmon Killebrew and Josh Hamilton. Stars are defined how they perform when the lights are the brightest KY. Take a look at these post-season numbers for Machado, and tell me what makes these pedestrian at best Mendoza line-esque #'s worth 30 mil a year: www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=machama01&t=b&post=1
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 19, 2019 21:04:05 GMT -5
Note that I said "I don't know about the $300MM", but I would not write off Machado yet. He's just 25. There's a long list of athletes who were thought to choke in the playoffs who eventually performed superbly.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 19, 2019 21:07:49 GMT -5
There's a big difference between this deal and the Angels ludicrous offer to Albert Pujols 7 years ago, Machado is 25 and likely has his most productive years ahead of him; Pujols was 31 and already has=d shown signs of decline. I don't know about the $300MM, but Machado looks to be improving--increased his sub-optimal OBP by being a bit more selective at the plate last year and is good for 30-35 hr's and a .280+ batting average. Of course, he's also one of the greatest fielders in history. Harper is also 25 and has been hot and cold. He has the potential for ripping off a string of .320/.420/.600+ seasons for years to come. Visually, I include him with two other batters whose swing was positively frightening to watch: Harmon Killebrew and Josh Hamilton. Stars are defined how they perform when the lights are the brightest KY. Take a look at these post-season numbers for Machado, and tell me what makes these pedestrian at best Mendoza line-esque #'s worth 30 mil a year: www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=machama01&t=b&post=1
Objection. Irrelevant. He’s going to the Padres.
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Post by Tom on Feb 20, 2019 8:34:09 GMT -5
Machado looks to be improving--increased his sub-optimal OBP by being a bit more selective at the plate last year He could also pick up some points on his OBP by running hard towards first
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Post by timholycross on Feb 20, 2019 10:43:56 GMT -5
I don't understand the wisdom of a team with the Padres' resources signing ANY player for that much money; the only way it's going to work is if all or nearly all their young, unproven players blossom all of a sudden and they are under relatively inexpensive team control for 2-3-4 years. They are never going to be able to sign other veterans to complement him.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 20, 2019 12:03:04 GMT -5
Will Manny continue to step on the Achilles of first basemen ,even if his friend?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 21, 2019 8:55:25 GMT -5
Total insanity. And he got the Boras-special opt out so that the Padres are guaranteed to either lose him after 5 years or pay above market for years 6-10. Dumb move by SD. This is another Cano deal, another Stanton deal. Theres NO WAY Machado opts out after 5 because at age 31 hell be scheduled to make 30+mill a year guaranteed until age 36. Even if hes playing at an all-star level at that point, no one is going to top those dollars. In other words the Padres are stuck paying him. 80-90% chance he gets traded in 4-6 years and the Pads dump as much as they can off the remaining deal to Boston, Chicago or the NY METS.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2019 9:19:26 GMT -5
NOT the Mets, please you left out the Yank...
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 21, 2019 9:34:39 GMT -5
Every year of my life I have attended fewer games - the madness of these types of contracts turns me off
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 21, 2019 10:39:29 GMT -5
Every year of my life I have attended fewer games - the madness of these types of contracts turns me off This contract is now an outlier. It's a classic example of a small market owner trying to make a splash. This is not the norm like it was until about 2012. The labor market in baseball is in the midst of a major correction which will make next the CBA very interesting.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 21, 2019 11:12:14 GMT -5
Will the Harper contract also be an outlier ?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 21, 2019 14:17:11 GMT -5
Will the Harper contract also be an outlier ? Well see what he gets. Sounds to me like multiple teams have offered 300M+ already and hes turned down. I actually see these two contracts being a net negative for the labor market in MLB. As the current trend shows, its getting tougher for players to secure lucrative free agent contracts extending into the late 30s. That's a fact. But because of the Machado (and soon Harper) deals, owners will be able to go to the union and say, "see, look at these massive deals. What do you mean free agents are getting screwed?" Ten years ago, guys like Dallas Keuchel wouldve been gobbled up like a guppy and gotten paid. Not so today. Same with Moustakas and Arrieta last year. Never in the post-reserve clause history of the sport have big-name FAs been unsigned this late in these type of numbers.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 22, 2019 1:17:38 GMT -5
Will the Harper contract also be an outlier ? Well see what he gets. Sounds to me like multiple teams have offered 300M+ already and hes turned down. I actually see these two contracts being a net negative for the labor market in MLB. As the current trend shows, its getting tougher for players to secure lucrative free agent contracts extending into the late 30s. That's a fact. But because of the Machado (and soon Harper) deals, owners will be able to go to the union and say, "see, look at these massive deals. What do you mean free agents are getting screwed?" Ten years ago, guys like Dallas Keuchel wouldve been gobbled up like a guppy and gotten paid. Not so today. Same with Moustakas and Arrieta last year. Never in the post-reserve clause history of the sport have big-name FAs been unsigned this late in these type of numbers. I really think it's the extra years not the money that the owners are sick of.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 22, 2019 6:43:34 GMT -5
The Yankees finally showing some restraint and not engaging on a lot of these guys has definitely made it harder, but obviously not impossible, for Boras and others to secure the 10-year deals.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 22, 2019 8:01:12 GMT -5
Last season The Yank... gladly picked up the last 10 years of the Stanton 13 year 325mm contract. Will they show restraint when Judge is due ?
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 22, 2019 8:04:43 GMT -5
A 10 year deal for any professional athlete is ridiculous . . . . not for the player but the organization. This made sense years ago when I was a kid and players stayed with the same team. There was loyalty both ways. Don't these teams know that sports is a " business!?" Heck, CEOs of corporations don't get 10 year deals and they are less likely to get injured.
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Post by Tom on Feb 22, 2019 9:06:06 GMT -5
Maybe they should go to the golf model and everyone gets paid based on how they preformed that week
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 22, 2019 12:49:28 GMT -5
I don't think he will make SD a championship team, but he will help sell tickets. If he kales the fan base happy, that is what counts today. I think it is not a wise move financially, but if they want to pay him that much (with all of his well known eccentricities), he would be foolish to pass it up.
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Post by hcross22 on Feb 22, 2019 16:00:24 GMT -5
A 10 year deal for any professional athlete is ridiculous . . . . not for the player but the organization. This made sense years ago when I was a kid and players stayed with the same team. There was loyalty both ways. Don't these teams know that sports is a " business!?" Heck, CEOs of corporations don't get 10 year deals and they are less likely to get injured. players stayed with the same team because they weren't allowed to leave. That's not loyalty, it's forced servitude.
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