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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 21, 2019 8:42:13 GMT -5
Like 92 said, no reason to read anything into this. The assistant coaching ranks are all about trying to move one rung up the latter however possible, whether it be a promotion, perceived promotion or slightly higher pay. Relationships with head coaches and coordinators obviously also a factor. Its common for young assistants to go back and forth across the country and to go up and down between divisions in pursuit of the best opportunities.
I have faith in Ches to bring in the right candidates to make this team successful.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 21, 2019 9:15:12 GMT -5
Agreed. And I'd add that when an assistant moves up to a stronger program (Air Force Academy, Villanova, etc.) that can be used as a selling point by Chesney as he looks to add quality assistants as replacements.
So, not only is it totally expected that assistants (especially younger and lower-level) frequently hopscotch from program to program, in some instances the post-HC destination is value added for HC.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 21, 2019 9:52:08 GMT -5
I am not concerned with assistants leaving for better jobs and/or more money, but do have some concern with the fact that we have now lost 4 of the 6 guys on the staff who had D1 experience prior to last year, while the one assistant who appeared that he needed to be replaced (OC Murphy) still remains on the job.
These will be very important hires for Chesney to continue to keep the momentum rolling into next season and the next recruiting class, and I hope there is someone at the school who recognizes the importance of these hires. Who is Chesney supposed to go to right now if he needs additional budget for a hire? Interim AD Sullivan? All the way up to Borroughs?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 21, 2019 9:56:57 GMT -5
All valid points, bbc. I will feel better when we see the new staff members announced.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 21, 2019 10:05:11 GMT -5
I am not concerned with assistants leaving for better jobs and/or more money, but do have some concern with the fact that we have now lost 4 of the 6 guys on the staff who had D1 experience prior to last year, while the one assistant who appeared that he needed to be replaced (OC Murphy) still remains on the job. These will be very important hires for Chesney to continue to keep the momentum rolling into next season and the next recruiting class, and I hope there is someone at the school who recognizes the importance of these hires. Who is Chesney supposed to go to right now if he needs additional budget for the hire? Interim AD Sullivan? All the way up to Borroughs? Sullivan is the Interim AD and Chesney's current boss. In addition, as an assitant AD, Sullivan's responsibility is/was finance and budgets, so yes, Chesney goes to Sullivan. Also I'm sure Pak Phreek can tell us exactly when, but the FY 2020 high level budgets (possibly even detailed budgets) were set sometime in 2018, so if Chesney wanted more for assistants, he put in his request some time ago and I'd guess that Sullivan has the ability to allocate the budget within the overal spend for the department.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2019 10:17:56 GMT -5
During the transition from Reedy to McFarland, we had an "interim president" - Vellaccio. I assure you he had the same authority as his predecessor and successor and wielded it accordingly. Sullivan as interim AD and McInerney as interim women's basketball coach are not lacking in authority because of the "interim" prefix to their titles.
Lots of things atop Mt. St. James to be concerned with, this is not one of them.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 21, 2019 10:35:57 GMT -5
Agreed. And I'd add that when an assistant moves up to a stronger program (Air Force Academy, Villanova, etc.) that can be used as a selling point by Chesney as he looks to add quality assistants as replacements. So, not only is it totally expected that assistants (especially younger and lower-level) frequently hopscotch from program to program, in some instances the post-HC destination is value added for HC. Although I hope by the time Chesney is done here, Villanova is no longer viewed as a "stronger program"
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 21, 2019 12:50:03 GMT -5
...................... These will be very important hires for Chesney to continue to keep the momentum rolling into next season and the next recruiting class, and I hope there is someone at the school who recognizes the importance of these hires. Who is Chesney supposed to go to right now if he needs additional budget for the hire? Interim AD Sullivan? All the way up to Borroughs? ................. Also I'm sure Pak Phreek can tell us exactly when, but the FY 2020 high level budgets (possibly even detailed budgets) were set sometime in 2018, so if Chesney wanted more for assistants, he put in his request some time ago and I'd guess that Sullivan has the ability to allocate the budget within the overal spend for the department. To be overly simplistic and succinct. The HC budget for 2019-20 was set in the summer of 2018. One reason for being 'early' in doing this is to inform coaches how much in the way of scollie aid they can offer new first year recruits who will enroll in the fall of 2019. For athletics, the two most critical budget values are the amount of scollie aid, and the total amount of coaches' salary and benefits. Institutionally, such values are often collectively called the budget base, because once built in, the increase (or decrease) to the previous base rolls forward into future years. An example would be women's ice hockey. Illustratively, in year 1, HC awards the equivalent of four full scollies. In year 2, HC awards an additional four full scollies, while also budgeting for the year one scollies. And so on...... The 12 scollies by year three would now form part of the new budget base for women's ice hockey.. I would expect the HC would be reluctant to abruptly bump up assistant coach compensation in 2019-2020, because this salary bump was not budgeted for back in the summer of 2018, and the bump carries forward into 2020-21 and beyond. I am not talking about a small bump, but a significant one. An illustrative example from another sport: head coach of men's hoops, making $350K a year, leaves for another school. The AD tells TPTB that to hire a quality replacement for the departed coach, HC has to offer a new coach twice the salary of the departed coach. TPTB are apt to say, "No way. We didn't budget for that.' And a finance-minded member of TPTB may point out that HC might now have to bump up the salary of the women's hoops coach under Title IX. However, if the AD could tell TPTB that the Pakachoag Package Store has just signed a 20 year contract for the naming rights to the football field for $500,000 a year, and most of that money would go for coaches' salaries, TPTB would probably be all-in.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 21, 2019 12:55:57 GMT -5
Agreed. And I'd add that when an assistant moves up to a stronger program (Air Force Academy, Villanova, etc.) that can be used as a selling point by Chesney as he looks to add quality assistants as replacements. So, not only is it totally expected that assistants (especially younger and lower-level) frequently hopscotch from program to program, in some instances the post-HC destination is value added for HC. Although I hope by the time Chesney is done here, Villanova is no longer viewed as a "stronger program" I hope we can do the same in Lax and Hoops. (Although off the topic Villanova Lax is coming off a nice little win v #1 Yale and hoops is doing OK) Track and Field might be out of reach.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2019 13:16:51 GMT -5
We need the coaches, at least the head coaches, to be endowed.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 21, 2019 17:04:32 GMT -5
We need the coaches, at least the head coaches, to be endowed. $4.75M, at a steady 4.5 percent (the prescribed endowment distribution) gives you a payout of a bit more than $200,000 annually.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 21, 2019 17:10:32 GMT -5
And I was going to ask you to do the math . . . . . but then I figured you'd do it without having to be asked.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Feb 21, 2019 20:51:47 GMT -5
FWIW, Princeton's OC just departed for Oklahoma State after only 2 years on the Tiger's staff. In a recent podcast, Coach Sourace didn't seem annoyed at all. He seems to want to see his guys move up. The OC was a QB at Williams, so obviously a bright guy. He certainly was a success at Princeton as the team rang up 50 or more points on several foes.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 22, 2019 2:42:27 GMT -5
Thank God there isn't a real Pakachoag Package Store.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 22, 2019 7:34:57 GMT -5
Wasn't the one down the street "Chieftain Package Store?" Wonder: 1. is it still there? 2. have they changed to a less "offensive" name?
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 22, 2019 8:03:04 GMT -5
1. I don't think so 2. Not if sales are good.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 22, 2019 8:25:51 GMT -5
Chieftain Liquors is still operating at the same location on Southbridge St. in Auburn.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 22, 2019 9:46:51 GMT -5
We need the coaches, at least the head coaches, to be endowed. If the MegaMillions ticket sitting in front of me wins, on the HC website you'll soon be seeing "Robert Chesney, the Timholycross Head Coach of Football"!
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 22, 2019 12:43:22 GMT -5
Tim...from your mouth to God's ear!
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 22, 2019 12:58:48 GMT -5
Just bought a number of Powerball and MegaMillions tickets. I have sworn off donating to Holy Cross but if I win a big jackpot, I will reconsider a multi-million dollar donation if they bring the Crusader back and a few other lesser things of importance. One would be for Fr. B to recognize loyal supporters who don't/can't donate million dollar gifts to Holy Cross.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 22, 2019 13:40:14 GMT -5
Fr.B. chatted me up at a volunteer function, which was quite nice, and I am a multi-penny contributor.
I suspect he is a reluctant mercenary, but that is what the job requires.
When Fr. Gronan was at BC, they would send him and President F. Donald Monan on the road and bill them as Fathers Monan and Gronan for BC.😉 They pulled in alot of cash.
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