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Post by JRGNYR on Jul 20, 2016 7:53:39 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jul 20, 2016 8:27:44 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jul 20, 2016 9:34:29 GMT -5
That would renew the long time rivalry between Uconn and Texas Tech or is it TCU ? Baylor ? |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 20, 2016 9:41:52 GMT -5
Despite obnoxious UConnvict honks thinking they deserve a spot in the B12, there is virtually no shot of the current B12 schools agreeing to travel to Storrs/Hartford for ALL sports, especially when they even complain about traveling to Morgantown for major revenue sports.
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Post by HC92 on Jul 20, 2016 10:24:00 GMT -5
That would renew the long time rivalry between Uconn and Texas Tech or is it TCU ? Baylor ? From UConn's perspective, they'd obviously rather play a non-rival like Texas than non-rivals like SMU and Houston. That said, I think UConn would much rather wind up in the ACC when the dust settles than the Big12. |
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Post by HC92 on Jul 20, 2016 10:31:07 GMT -5
Despite obnoxious UConnvict honks thinking they deserve a spot in the B12, there is virtually no shot of the current B12 schools agreeing to travel to Storrs/Hartford for ALL sports, especially when they even complain about traveling to Morgantown for major revenue sports. The Big12 will do whatever is in the financial best interest of the Big12 regardless of whether the fans like the travel. I assume UConn would rather be in the ACC or the Big Ten in that order. Whether any of these conferences want UConn due to location and weak football, we shall see. The basketball is obviously attractive. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 20, 2016 11:04:09 GMT -5
Despite obnoxious UConnvict honks thinking they deserve a spot in the B12, there is virtually no shot of the current B12 schools agreeing to travel to Storrs/Hartford for ALL sports, especially when they even complain about traveling to Morgantown for major revenue sports. The Big12 will do whatever is in the financial best interest of the Big12 regardless of whether the fans like the travel. I assume UConn would rather be in the ACC or the Big Ten in that order. Whether any of these conferences want UConn due to location and weak football, we shall see. The basketball is obviously attractive. I'm not talking about the fans traveling to the games. I'm referring to the coaches, AD's, Prez's, and professors at the B12 schools who would rather not see the likes of say the tennis team from Texas Tech in Lubbock miss a couple days of class to travel to Storrs, and the expense of such travel for several minor, no-interest sports. A LOT more to a conference invite than just the addition of strong basketball programs especially when the football team blows. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 20, 2016 15:37:02 GMT -5
This discussion covers so many issues that point out the lunacy of the change from geographic conferences composed of traditional rivals to the network $$ driven absurdities in place today. What a joke this has become
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Post by Tom on Jul 20, 2016 15:42:16 GMT -5
This discussion covers so many issues that point out the lunacy of the change from geographic conferences composed of traditional rivals to the network $$ driven absurdities in place today. What a joke this has become Always one to take a cheap shot, I will remind everyone that the first school to start this lunacy was Boston College when they went from a conference where Georgetown was about their most distant rival to one where Maryland was their closest |
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 20, 2016 16:03:53 GMT -5
When will someone realize that football is what screwed up college sports. The network $$$$ is roughly 98% about football. It is an entirely different animal and should be treated separately from the rest of the athletics progams.
There are 128 schools playing FBS football. And 350ish Division 1 schools. Having Rutgers in the Big 10, BC in the ACC, West Virginia in the Big 12, etc. for football makes little sense. Having them there for all other sports makes less sense. Keep the madness in FBS Football only.
So, throw the 128 FBS schools into a room and let them figure out how to align into football only conferences. My suggestion. Eight 16 teams conferences each with two 8 team divisions. Each conference holds a Championship game, those 8 champions advance to a FBS playoff system based in the Bowls.
Then take the 350ish schools that play Division 1 in all other sports and form conferences that make sense based on geography, academics, rivalries, history, etc.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 20, 2016 17:48:15 GMT -5
chc8485, very intriguing concept. One problem though, --for many of the Power Five, football is so lucrative that it underwrites the cost of the entire athletic program, and for a few schools, generates enough revenue that athletics runs a multi-million dollar 'profit'.
All schools missing out on the football cash cow are ultimately at a fundamental competitive disadvantage.
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Re: West Virginia, of all schools complained about travel schedules in the Big 12, forcing athletes to miss too much classroom time. I understand the Big 12 tried to make adjustments, but I think the problem lingers.
In the 2013 NCAA summery report of athletic expenses, for all FBS, cost of team travel (M/W) highest quartile (schools that spent the most) averaged $5.6 million, lowest quartile averaged $2 million.
For private schools in the FCS, team travel (M/W teams) averaged $1.4 million
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Post by HC92 on Jul 20, 2016 20:14:23 GMT -5
The Big12 will do whatever is in the financial best interest of the Big12 regardless of whether the fans like the travel. I assume UConn would rather be in the ACC or the Big Ten in that order. Whether any of these conferences want UConn due to location and weak football, we shall see. The basketball is obviously attractive. I'm not talking about the fans traveling to the games. I'm referring to the coaches, AD's, Prez's, and professors at the B12 schools who would rather not see the likes of say the tennis team from Texas Tech in Lubbock miss a couple days of class to travel to Storrs, and the expense of such travel for several minor, no-interest sports. A LOT more to a conference invite than just the addition of strong basketball programs especially when the football team blows. Nobody likes it but conferences are doing it. The Big10 schools flying their field hockey team to NJ and Maryland isn't a lot different from the Big12 schools flying to CT and West Virginia. The whole system is screwed up. If we were starting from scratch, we'd do something like 8485 suggested. Since we're not, conferences will continue to put their tennis and soccer teams on flights halfway across the country. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 21, 2016 8:49:48 GMT -5
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Post by sarasota on Jul 22, 2016 0:02:19 GMT -5
Media contracts have ruined sports on all levels, including pro and amateur. The money is more important than "the game." Competitiveness is sacrificed. The PL is clean because it doesn't have a multi-zillion-dollar media contract. And because it's clean, it's more fun to watch. The games are competitive.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 22, 2016 6:13:45 GMT -5
Media contracts have ruined sports on all levels, including pro and amateur. The money is more important than "the game." Competitiveness is sacrificed. The PL is clean because it doesn't have a multi-zillion-dollar media contract. And because it's clean, it's more fun to watch. The games are competitive. +100 This is not wholly the NCAA's fault. There was one (maybe two?) court decisions in the 1980s that basically eliminated NCAA control of broadcast rights, allowing conferences to negotiate their own packages. I believe it was about that time when major universities created quasi-autonomous athletic associations to operate the athletics programs, and make these somewhat independent of the university, and allow employees of the athletic association to be compensated at levels which would otherwise be prohibited by state law. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 22, 2016 12:11:27 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Jul 22, 2016 12:26:32 GMT -5
Probably little, since many markets, esp the Carolina teams, televised most or all of their games, at least their league games |
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 22, 2016 12:37:15 GMT -5
Probably little, since many markets, esp the Carolina teams, televised most or all of their games, at least their league games I agree. The ACC fans love hoops enough to want to see a game in person whenever possible. |
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Post by hchoops on Jul 26, 2016 13:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jul 26, 2016 15:50:51 GMT -5
"UConn's new athletic director says he's waiting to hear from the Big 12 about its interest level in the school before reaching out with an official pitch to join the conference."
Way to be aggressive UConnvict... sit on your ass and wait for the phone to ring, rather than initiating the sales job by calling the B12 to let them know you want in and the chance to make a formal pitch, and setting a date to do so.
Compare this to Memphis who got the Prez of FedEx to pen a letter guaranteeing sponsorship of a B12 Championship game if Memphis gets a nod. But then again UC has virtually no shot anyway, and maybe the new AD realizes this...
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