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Post by gate88 on Mar 14, 2019 15:58:44 GMT -5
Langel doesn't have a death wish. Therefore will not take Fordham job.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 14, 2019 16:08:34 GMT -5
Best in PL vs worst in A10. You do the math. Fordham has been in the A-10 24 season, 2 of which have resulted in a winning conference record plus a third season at .500. For 24 seasons Fordham in conference play 98-296= .249 Fordham is the poster child for stubborn counter-productivity
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 14, 2019 16:43:08 GMT -5
Best in PL vs worst in A10. You do the math. Fordham probably pays 2x what the highest job in the PL pays, so from that standpoint it’s definitey better. But, it’s kind of a career killer, at least dating back to Wittenburg. Going to a place like Bucknell with a winning tradition, beat facilities in the league, good quality of life, and ability to move up in the coaching world (Flannery could have, Paulsen did, Davis will) all off a sudden doesn’t look so bad.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2019 16:45:24 GMT -5
Fordham would be wise to hire someone to recruit NYC metro area Pecora was doing OK, had Paschall as a freshman, then was fired, prematurely imo Maybe Tim Cluess would be good, although I know you don't like him. His age and questionable reputation would hurt
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2019 16:48:01 GMT -5
Best in PL vs worst in A10. You do the math. Fordham probably pays 2x what the highest job in the PL pays, so from that standpoint it’s definitey better. But, it’s kind of a career killer, at least dating back to Wittenburg. Going to a place like Bucknell with a winning tradition, beat facilities in the league, good quality of life, and ability to move up in the coaching world (Flannery could have, Paulsen did, Davis will) all off a sudden doesn’t look so bad. If Lewisburg is your cup of tea over the NYC metro area
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 14, 2019 16:53:00 GMT -5
Best in PL vs worst in A10. You do the math. Fordham probably pays 2x what the highest job in the PL pays, so from that standpoint it’s definitey better. But, it’s kind of a career killer, at least dating back to Wittenburg. Going to a place like Bucknell with a winning tradition, beat facilities in the league, good quality of life, and ability to move up in the coaching world (Flannery could have, Paulsen did, Davis will) all off a sudden doesn’t look so bad. If Carm makes 350K or more, and is highest paid PL coach (or maybe Dechillis makes more), no way does Neubauer make 700k or more.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 14, 2019 22:37:04 GMT -5
Ernie Kent out at Washington State
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Post by bison137 on Mar 14, 2019 22:54:18 GMT -5
Fordham probably pays 2x what the highest job in the PL pays, so from that standpoint it’s definitey better. But, it’s kind of a career killer, at least dating back to Wittenburg. Going to a place like Bucknell with a winning tradition, beat facilities in the league, good quality of life, and ability to move up in the coaching world (Flannery could have, Paulsen did, Davis will) all off a sudden doesn’t look so bad. If Carm makes 350K or more, and is highest paid PL coach (or maybe Dechillis makes more), no way does Neubauer make 700k or more. DeChellis makes at least 450k per season (and apparently had a seven year contract). When he jumped to Navy, the NAAA had so much money they didn't know what to do with it. Billy Lange used to get paid more than Flannery and then Paulsen for example..
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Post by gerry on Mar 15, 2019 8:21:55 GMT -5
Pat Chambers to return next season at Penn State. Good for him, as he is one of the good people in big time college hoops, and PSU played well during the second half of the year, but I can't think of a power conference coach who has ever made it nine years without making the tournament. The only person I could come up with off the top of my head that was similar was Jim O'Brien at BC who made the tourney is his 8th season, and sadly the likely only reason he made it that long was that his wife passed away unexpectedly on the day of the Big East Tournament when the school was likely ready to move on from him.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 15, 2019 9:23:54 GMT -5
Pat Chambers to return next season at Penn State. Good for him, as he is one of the good people in big time college hoops, and PSU played well during the second half of the year, but I can't think of a power conference coach who has ever made it nine years without making the tournament. Our head coach accomplished that feat at Northwestern. 13 years and went below .500 in the Big Ten every year. Carmody has not finished above .500 in conference play since he was at Princeton. Thank you, FADNP!
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Post by gerry on Mar 15, 2019 9:36:16 GMT -5
George Washington fires Maurice Joseph.
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Post by gerry on Mar 15, 2019 9:37:23 GMT -5
Pat Chambers to return next season at Penn State. Good for him, as he is one of the good people in big time college hoops, and PSU played well during the second half of the year, but I can't think of a power conference coach who has ever made it nine years without making the tournament. Our head coach accomplished that feat at Northwestern. 13 years and went below .500 in the Big Ten every year. Carmody has not finished above .500 in conference play since he was at Princeton. Thank you, FADNP! I can't believe I forgot the most obvious one!
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Post by rickii on Mar 15, 2019 10:48:36 GMT -5
Pat Chambers to return next season at Penn State. Good for him, as he is one of the good people in big time college hoops, and PSU played well during the second half of the year, but I can't think of a power conference coach who has ever made it nine years without making the tournament. Our head coach accomplished that feat at Northwestern. 13 years and went below .500 in the Big Ten every year. Carmody has not finished above .500 in conference play since he was at Princeton. Thank you, FADNP! Lemme see....comparing the jobs/performance at Penn State versus Northwestern....got it.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 15, 2019 11:19:23 GMT -5
I think it's a more reasonable comparison than it appears on the surface.
The difference between Penn State and NW would seem to be the athletes they might accept/reject. Much easier to get a kid in Penn State, of course.
That might be offset by NW's location vis-a-vis PSU, which in terms of college basketball recruiting, is in the middle of nowhere. Big advantage to Northwestern.
Neither place has a basketball tradition (NW's boasts a national championship---in 1931, very little else) and, until not that long ago, neither one had a nice arena (Penn State most certainly does now).
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Post by Tom on Mar 15, 2019 12:14:44 GMT -5
I think it's a more reasonable comparison than it appears on the surface. The difference between Penn State and NW would seem to be the athletes they might accept/reject. Much easier to get a kid in Penn State, of course. That might be offset by NW's location vis-a-vis PSU, which in terms of college basketball recruiting, is in the middle of nowhere. Big advantage to Northwestern. Neither place has a basketball tradition (NW's boasts a national championship---in 1931, very little else) and, until not that long ago, neither one had a nice arena (Penn State most certainly does now). I think that not getting a stud athlete into the school when that kids gets accepted by most of your conference rivals is a bigger obstacle than being in College Park
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Post by hcnation on Mar 15, 2019 12:26:48 GMT -5
Pat Chambers to return next season at Penn State. Good for him, as he is one of the good people in big time college hoops, and PSU played well during the second half of the year, but I can't think of a power conference coach who has ever made it nine years without making the tournament. Our head coach accomplished that feat at Northwestern. 13 years and went below .500 in the Big Ten every year. Carmody has not finished above .500 in conference play since he was at Princeton. Thank you, FADNP! What is Chris Collins in conference record again the last 2 seasons?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 15, 2019 12:28:08 GMT -5
I think it's a more reasonable comparison than it appears on the surface. The difference between Penn State and NW would seem to be the athletes they might accept/reject. Much easier to get a kid in Penn State, of course. That might be offset by NW's location vis-a-vis PSU, which in terms of college basketball recruiting, is in the middle of nowhere. Big advantage to Northwestern. Neither place has a basketball tradition (NW's boasts a national championship---in 1931, very little else) and, until not that long ago, neither one had a nice arena (Penn State most certainly does now). I think that not getting a stud athlete into the school when that kids gets accepted by most of your conference rivals is a bigger obstacle than being in College Park But just because Penn State can get that stud athlete in that may not get into Northwestern, it is extremely unlikely that said player would want to go to Penn State to play basketball. Agree with tim that they are very similar jobs with different challenges, but Northwestern may actually have more going for it due to its academics to go along with the location. If a kid is getting passed over by the schools at the top of the league (Michigan State, Michigan, etc.), is left to choose between Northwestern & Penn State, and cares at all about academics, NW would be in a much better recruiting position.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 15, 2019 12:29:57 GMT -5
Our head coach accomplished that feat at Northwestern. 13 years and went below .500 in the Big Ten every year. Carmody has not finished above .500 in conference play since he was at Princeton. Thank you, FADNP! What is Chris Collins in conference record again the last 2 seasons? 10-28
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 15, 2019 12:38:17 GMT -5
Our head coach accomplished that feat at Northwestern. 13 years and went below .500 in the Big Ten every year. Carmody has not finished above .500 in conference play since he was at Princeton. Thank you, FADNP! What is Chris Collins in conference record again the last 2 seasons? 4-16 this year -- Carmody had four seasons with a worse winning percentage, and never had to play 20 Big Ten games in a season 6-12 last year Through 6 years, Collins is 40-70 (.364) ... Carmody was 33-63 (.344). I don't think either is on the next flight to Springfield for their enshrinement, but Collins has been able to pull off two feats that were impossible in 13 seasons or Mr. PO BC -- a season above .500 in the B10, and a trip to the NCAA Tournament.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 15, 2019 14:15:41 GMT -5
Collins is benefitting from the work that Carmody did to take Northwestern out of rock bottom in the Big 10 and thereby bring Northwestern into the consideration pool of better student-athletes. Carmody brought Northwestern part of the way, enabling Collins to start at a higher point. Compare this to Columbia Football under Al Bagnoli: instead of going the customary 1-9 or 0-10 every year as Columbia did for so long, Bagnoli now has Columbia at a place of decency. Bagnoli's successor will have a much easier job than he did, just as Collins has it easier than Carmody did at Northwestern
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 15, 2019 21:26:26 GMT -5
Has Columbia Football finally recovered from the whooping Gil Fenerty gave them? 😊
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Post by hchoops on Mar 15, 2019 21:35:57 GMT -5
Marvin Menzies gone at UNLV
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Post by rf1 on Mar 15, 2019 22:04:11 GMT -5
Marvin Menzies gone at UNLV
Already whispers. Pitino and Las Vegas are made for each other. A match made in hell.
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Post by unhfan on Mar 16, 2019 6:18:25 GMT -5
Fox out at Appalachian State and Kennedy our at Texas A & M.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Mar 16, 2019 6:58:51 GMT -5
Collins is benefitting from the work that Carmody did to take Northwestern out of rock bottom in the Big 10 and thereby bring Northwestern into the consideration pool of better student-athletes. Carmody brought Northwestern part of the way, enabling Collins to start at a higher point. Compare this to Columbia Football under Al Bagnoli: instead of going the customary 1-9 or 0-10 every year as Columbia did for so long, Bagnoli now has Columbia at a place of decency. Bagnoli's successor will have a much easier job than he did, just as Collins has it easier than Carmody did at Northwestern Also worth noting is that Mr. Collins is playing in a facility that re-opened in November after a $110mm facelift. His team finished dead last in the Big10 this year and was ousted in the first round of the Big10 tournament. His team that made the NCAA tournament included two key reserves who were Carmody recruits--Taphorn (who threw a length of the court pass to beat Michigan in a late season game) and Lumpkin. So is Chris Colllins a poor coach? Is the AD who hired him a rube? Or is it very difficult for a high academic, high integrity program like NU to win in Big 10 hoops?
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