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Seedings
Feb 27, 2019 21:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 27, 2019 21:39:02 GMT -5
Ugh. Traveling to the play-out game.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 27, 2019 21:39:59 GMT -5
All of a sudden, Milan Brown's "20 wins babyyyyy" season doesn't look so bad.
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Post by BisonRoadWarrior on Feb 27, 2019 22:17:32 GMT -5
With the loss tonight, HC officially punches its pig-pen ticket, along with Loyola; the loser of upcoming BU-Navy; and (likely) Lafayette which finishes against Lehigh. Lafayette hosts Colgate Army at Bucknell Navy at BU (I savor the opportunity to use use those initials here with impunity) American at Holy Cross Lehigh at Loyola
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2019 8:45:39 GMT -5
If BU is in a tie with HC, tiebreakers don't work out well with our 0-2 against them. I'll post scenarios tonight. Too much figuring to be done honorably on the clock
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Post by classof83 on Feb 28, 2019 9:44:27 GMT -5
If BU is in a tie with HC, tiebreakers don't work out well with our 0-2 against them. I'll post scenarios tonight. Too much figuring to be done honorably on the clock Even though a game at BU makes it easy to go to the game and probably assures that BC can coach the game, I would prefer to play any team other than BU in the first round. Teams with big guards have given us problems all year - probably because it is difficult for our guards to get the ball to JF in place where he can operate effectively.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2019 11:09:41 GMT -5
Am I correct that if HC is in a tie other than with BU (or BU and someone else) it comes down to RPI? HC would be 1-1 against everyone else except BU and Colgate.
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2019 11:25:19 GMT -5
Am I correct that if HC is in a tie other than with BU (or BU and someone else) it comes down to RPI? HC would be 1-1 against everyone else except BU and Colgate. No First tie breaker is head to head 2nd tiebreaker is record against the top teams. This is also a mess at this point because of the tie at the top. For example, if Colgate wins the league, Loyola would have a tiebreaker over us because they split with Colgate and HC was 0-2. However if Bucknell wins the regular season, that flips 3rd tiebreaker is NET. It used to be RPI. I don't think it gets here too often. Back in 2005 HC and Bucknell split with each other but beat every other game, leaving them tied through two tie breakers. It came down to RPI that year
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Post by bison137 on Feb 28, 2019 12:33:05 GMT -5
Am I correct that if HC is in a tie other than with BU (or BU and someone else) it comes down to RPI? HC would be 1-1 against everyone else except BU and Colgate. No First tie breaker is head to head 2nd tiebreaker is record against the top teams. This is also a mess at this point because of the tie at the top. For example, if Colgate wins the league, Loyola would have a tiebreaker over us because they split with Colgate and HC was 0-2. However if Bucknell wins the regular season, that flips 3rd tiebreaker is NET. It used to be RPI. I don't think it gets here too often. Back in 2005 HC and Bucknell split with each other but beat every other game, leaving them tied through two tie breakers. It came down to RPI that year RPI/NET has only been used once. It was actually in 2007, when both HC and Bucknell were 13-1 in league play. Bison fans still remember a loss to Central Arkansas with horror since that loss - a couple of days after Christmas - probably kept Bucknell from having the better RPI.
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2019 12:35:22 GMT -5
Situation memory correct. Year memory wrong. 2007 - I stand corrected
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Post by cmo on Feb 28, 2019 13:00:43 GMT -5
No First tie breaker is head to head 2nd tiebreaker is record against the top teams. This is also a mess at this point because of the tie at the top. For example, if Colgate wins the league, Loyola would have a tiebreaker over us because they split with Colgate and HC was 0-2. However if Bucknell wins the regular season, that flips 3rd tiebreaker is NET. It used to be RPI. I don't think it gets here too often. Back in 2005 HC and Bucknell split with each other but beat every other game, leaving them tied through two tie breakers. It came down to RPI that year RPI/NET has only been used once. It was actually in 2007, when both HC and Bucknell were 13-1 in league play. Bison fans still remember a loss to Central Arkansas with horror since that loss - a couple of days after Christmas - probably kept Bucknell from having the better RPI. We were going to win the championship anyway.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 28, 2019 13:54:06 GMT -5
RPI/NET has only been used once. It was actually in 2007, when both HC and Bucknell were 13-1 in league play. Bison fans still remember a loss to Central Arkansas with horror since that loss - a couple of days after Christmas - probably kept Bucknell from having the better RPI. We were going to win the championship anyway. I guess we will never know. I do know, however, that at that time Bucknell had won 35 straight games in Sojka and had beaten HC the last five times they played there. The two teams were virtually identical in the Pomeroy rankings.
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Seedings
Feb 28, 2019 14:16:04 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Feb 28, 2019 14:16:04 GMT -5
Am I correct that if HC is in a tie other than with BU (or BU and someone else) it comes down to RPI? HC would be 1-1 against everyone else except BU and Colgate. No First tie breaker is head to head 2nd tiebreaker is record against the top teams. This is also a mess at this point because of the tie at the top. For example, if Colgate wins the league, Loyola would have a tiebreaker over us because they split with Colgate and HC was 0-2. However if Bucknell wins the regular season, that flips 3rd tiebreaker is NET. It used to be RPI. I don't think it gets here too often. Back in 2005 HC and Bucknell split with each other but beat every other game, leaving them tied through two tie breakers. It came down to RPI that year PL website still shows RPI. No mention of NET.
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2019 14:20:41 GMT -5
PL website still shows RPI. No mention of NET. TWO-WAY TIES 1. In the case of a two-way between teams in the final standings for regular-season League play, the following process will be used until all ties are broken and the seeding process is completed (ties will be broken in rank order beginning with the highest seed): A. Head-to-head competition — the higher seed will go to the team that has won the most League contests played against the other team involved in the tie (in the sport of volleyball, both sets and individual games will be considered). B. If a tie still exists, a comparison of records will be made between the tied institutions starting at the highest possible seed and continuing through the lowest seed, if necessary. C. Sport specific tie-breaking procedure, if any (see Sport Specific regulations below). D. Comparison of records versus out-of-League common opponents. E. Coin flip. MULTI-TEAM TIES 2. In the case of multiple ties (more than two teams tied for the same spot), the following process will be used: Note: The entire process for multiple-team ties must be completed. The Patriot League does not revert back to the two-way tie formula once the multiple-team tie has been resolved. A. Records between the tied teams will be evaluated to determine if one team won more contests against the other tied institutions. B. If a tie still exists, a comparison of records will be conducted for each team starting with the highest seed not involved in the tie and continuing through the lowest seed, if necessary. C. Sport specific tie-breaking procedure, if any (see Sport-Specific regulations). D. Comparison of records versus out-of-League common opponents. E. Coin flip (two teams) or draw (multiple teams). Below is the sport-specific tie-breaking procedure, if applicable: Men’s Basketball Specific Tiebreaker:
a. NCAA Men’s Basketball NET Rankins (NCAA.com) published on the day (or the next day that a report is available) following the final regular-season League game to determine the higher seeded team. The team with the higher NET will receive the higher seed.
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2019 17:32:21 GMT -5
I'll do the easy version first: -
With a loss:
HC finishes 9th if Lehigh beats Loyola AND Lafayette beats Colgate
HC finishes 10th with any other combination of other games
Part 2 to follow
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Post by classof83 on Feb 28, 2019 17:46:23 GMT -5
Tom I took a quick look and this is what I have.
It seems to me we could finish 8th ...
It seems to me the best we can finish is 8th. I have not figured a way how we could finish 7th.
From what I can tell there are two scenarios that work best for us. Each requires us to beat American, BU to beat Navy, and Lehigh to beat Loyola. If Colgate beats Lafayette they would be seeded first, In this scenario we end up in a 3 way tie with Lafayette and Navy with identical 7-11 records.Navy would be the 7th seed(by virtue of a split with Colgate), we would be the 8th seed(by virtue of a split with Bucknell and Lehigh), Lafayette would be the 9th seed(having lost both games to Colgate, Bucknell and Lehigh) and Loyola would be the 10th seed. We would host Lafayette at home.
If somehow Lafayette can beat Colgate, we would be in a tie with Navy. Under either scenario it doesn't matter if Bucknell wins. This would make either the first seed Lehigh or Bucknell. Lehigh swept Navy and Navy split with Bucknell. We split with both Lehigh and Bucknell.
Under this scenario we would still finish 8th and play Navy, the 9th seed, at home.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 28, 2019 17:50:52 GMT -5
What a sad state of affairs — we are breaking down scenarios of what a win or loss means with regard to whether we are on the road or at home in the PIG.
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Post by classof83 on Feb 28, 2019 17:59:28 GMT -5
What a sad state of affairs — we are breaking down scenarios of what a win or loss means with regard to whether we are on the road or at home in the PIG. I agree - hope springs eternal. The team that really blew it is Bucknell. They controlled their own destiny before the Navy game and had a big cushion a few weeks ago. From what I can tell the only way they get the top seed is to win and have Colgate lose.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 28, 2019 21:40:13 GMT -5
What a sad state of affairs — we are breaking down scenarios of what a win or loss means with regard to whether we are on the road or at home in the PIG. I agree - hope springs eternal. The team that really blew it is Bucknell. They controlled their own destiny before the Navy game and had a big cushion a few weeks ago. From what I can tell the only way they get the top seed is to win and have Colgate lose. I don't think play at Colgate strikes fear into Bucknell
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Seedings
Mar 2, 2019 7:29:12 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Mar 2, 2019 7:29:12 GMT -5
Here’s how we host a home game as the 8 seed:
HC, BU and Lehigh all must win. Outcome of the other two games is irrelevant to our chances to finish 8th.
We cannot finish 7th. I don’t care enough about 9th or 10th to try to figure that out.
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Seedings
Mar 2, 2019 8:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Mar 2, 2019 8:01:45 GMT -5
For those who are wondering how we might play at BU, here are the scenarios. For all of these scenarios, it makes no difference whether we win or lose or whether Bucknell or Army wins.
8/9 Game at BU:
Lafayette, Navy and Lehigh must win.
7/10 Game at BU:
1. Colgate and Navy win, outcome of Loyola/Lehigh is irrelevant.
2. Laf, BU and Loyola win
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Post by lou on Mar 2, 2019 8:14:39 GMT -5
Thanks 92, but this would be much more useful in a spreadsheet with colors
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 2, 2019 8:47:16 GMT -5
92, just so impressed how you have put that psychology major to such good use!
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Post by HC92 on Mar 2, 2019 9:03:35 GMT -5
92, just so impressed how you have put that psychology major to such good use! How did you know I tricked my smartest child into figuring it out for me?
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Post by HC92 on Mar 2, 2019 9:04:40 GMT -5
Thanks 92, but this would be much more useful in a spreadsheet with colors That’s on Crossports+ for premium members only.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 2, 2019 9:06:16 GMT -5
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