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Post by sader1970 on Mar 3, 2019 16:15:21 GMT -5
So with my annual hiatus fast approaching and my inability to make my Patriot League men's basketball picks, I am passing on the implied option to PM/text/email '45 who I would select. While putting myself at a disadvantage because I am picking the quarterfinals before the first round is even played and subsequent rounds, I will consider this just part of my Lenten penance.  Should be at least as easy as when people pick the NCAA brackets! Um, maybe not! I already picked the first round but, for the record: First Round – Tuesday, March 5 No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 7 Lafayette No. 9 Loyola Maryland at No. 8 Boston University Quarterfinals – Thursday, March 7 No. 8/9 Winner [Loyola] at No. 1 Colgate No. 7/10 Winner [Lafayette] at No. 2 Bucknell No. 6 Army West Point at No. 3. Lehigh No. 5 Navy at No. 4 American Semi-Finals No. 6 Army West Point at No. 1 ColgateNo. 4 American at No. 2 BucknellFinals No. 2 Bucknell at No. 1 Colgate Champion: Bucknell  |
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 3, 2019 16:20:54 GMT -5
Impressive work. Good luck.
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 3, 2019 16:22:15 GMT -5
Congrats, you picked all chalk except Army and BU.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 3, 2019 16:44:27 GMT -5
The "trick" is to divine, in advance, where the upsets might be. Nothing more than hunches at this point. Never can tell when there will be a key injury; a hot hand; an especially exhausting road trip. Or, or, or, maybe Carmody will play M2M and ask our guys to at least try to get rebounds and blow away the competition a la 2016. "Do you believe in miracles?" Me: "No."  |
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 3, 2019 16:47:17 GMT -5
And for non-gamblers like myself, here's TCIB's reference:
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 3, 2019 16:57:30 GMT -5
So with my annual hiatus fast approaching and my inability to make my Patriot League men's basketball picks, I am passing on the implied option to PM/text/email '45 who I would select. While putting myself at a disadvantage because I am picking the quarterfinals before the first round is even played and subsequent rounds, I will consider this just part of my Lenten penance. Should be at least as easy as when people pick the NCAA brackets! Um, maybe not! I already picked the first round but, for the record: First Round – Tuesday, March 5 No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 7 Lafayette No. 9 Loyola Maryland at No. 8 Boston University Quarterfinals – Thursday, March 7 No. 8/9 Winner [Loyola] at No. 1 Colgate No. 7/10 Winner [Lafayette] at No. 2 Bucknell No. 6 Army West Point at No. 3. Lehigh No. 5 Navy at No. 4 American Semi-Finals No. 6 Army West Point at No. 1 ColgateNo. 4 American at No. 2 BucknellFinals No. 2 Bucknell at No. 1 Colgate Champion: Bucknell Interesting-- Army has lost its last 4 games at Lehigh by 14, 29, 10, & 8 points. You'll get some nice odds at the sports books if you take, say, one month's annuity payment to the window. |
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 3, 2019 18:04:26 GMT -5
A wise coach once told me, “if what you are doing is clearly not working, try
something different. It just might work.”
I’d LOVE to see us come out in a MTM defense against Lafayette.
RW always said “Take away one of their strengths if you can. Make them beat you some
other way.”
Give them ZERO open threes. Overplay them on the perimeter and let JF protect the rim if they go by you.
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Post by notjuanjones on Mar 3, 2019 20:17:37 GMT -5
So with my annual hiatus fast approaching and my inability to make my Patriot League men's basketball picks, I am passing on the implied option to PM/text/email '45 who I would select. While putting myself at a disadvantage because I am picking the quarterfinals before the first round is even played and subsequent rounds, I will consider this just part of my Lenten penance. Should be at least as easy as when people pick the NCAA brackets! Um, maybe not! I already picked the first round but, for the record: First Round – Tuesday, March 5 No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 7 Lafayette No. 9 Loyola Maryland at No. 8 Boston University Quarterfinals – Thursday, March 7 No. 8/9 Winner [Loyola] at No. 1 Colgate No. 7/10 Winner [Lafayette] at No. 2 Bucknell No. 6 Army West Point at No. 3. Lehigh No. 5 Navy at No. 4 American Semi-Finals No. 6 Army West Point at No. 1 ColgateNo. 4 American at No. 2 BucknellFinals No. 2 Bucknell at No. 1 Colgate Champion: Bucknell Interesting picks, Sader, but if Army was to upset Lehigh in the first round, it would play at the second seed, Bucknell, in the second round, while No. 4 American would play at No. 1 Colgate. I don't know if that changes your picks. Of course, mine would be different. :-) |
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 3, 2019 20:32:33 GMT -5
Not sure how you know that - and you may be right.
It has always been my understanding and presumed logic that the higher remaining seeds get to play the lower remaining seeds.
That is, Army is the #6 seed (per PL official site) and presumably remains the #6 seed throughout the tournament. American is the #4 seed.
So, to "reward" Colgate's #1 seed, they get to play the lower of the remaining seeds, in this case #6 Army despite the fact that they hypothetically defeated higher seed #3 Lehigh. Bucknell, as "punishment" for finishing the #2 seed, has to play the "better" (read: higher seed #4) team, American.
Now, if you have something that is PL "official," I'm willing to listen for educational purposes.
However, since the chances of me being anywhere close to what actually happens is minimal, I'll stand pat.
But, in any case, thanks.
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 3, 2019 20:34:05 GMT -5
P.S. Show some "guts" and put in your picks all the way through! |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 3, 2019 20:54:31 GMT -5
If I had to pick all the way through right now, here's what I would submit:
First Round – Tuesday, March 5
No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 7 Lafayette
No. 9 Loyola Maryland at No. 8 Boston University
Quarterfinals – Thursday, March 7
No. 8 Boston University at No. 1 Colgate
No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 2 Bucknell
No. 6 Army West Point at No. 3. Lehigh
No. 5 Navy at No. 4 American
SemiFinals
No. 4 American at No 1 Colgate
No. 3 Lehigh at No 2 Bucknell
Final
No 3 Lehigh at No 1 Colgate
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 3, 2019 21:03:42 GMT -5
Yeah, but you'll be able to revise this after each round!😊
But I for one appreciate your putting it out there. 👍🏻
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Post by notjuanjones on Mar 4, 2019 0:35:43 GMT -5
Not sure how you know that - and you may be right. It has always been my understanding and presumed logic that the higher remaining seeds get to play the lower remaining seeds. That is, Army is the #6 seed (per PL official site) and presumably remains the #6 seed throughout the tournament. American is the #4 seed. So, to "reward" Colgate's #1 seed, they get to play the lower of the remaining seeds, in this case #6 Army despite the fact that they hypothetically defeated higher seed #3 Lehigh. Bucknell, as "punishment" for finishing the #2 seed, has to play the "better" (read: higher seed #4) team, American. Now, if you have something that is PL "official," I'm willing to listen for educational purposes. However, since the chances of me being anywhere close to what actually happens is minimal, I'll stand pat. But, in any case, thanks. It's not secret knowledge or anything: just the normal seeding in an eight-seed tournament: First round: 1 plays 8 2 plays 7 3 plays 6 4 plays 5 Second (semifinal) round: 1-8 winner plays 4-5 winner 2-7 winner plays 3-6 winner The assumption is that the top seeds (1-4) will win in the first round. If this happens, the lowest remaining seed (4) would still have the toughest path to the championship by having to the top seed, and the top seed (1) is still rewarded for finishing first by playing the lowest remaining seed. |
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 4, 2019 7:49:37 GMT -5
Researched it further, NJJ. It appears you are correct but really doesn't change my picks, just who Army loses to. Revised: First Round – Tuesday, March 5 No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 7 Lafayette No. 9 Loyola Maryland at No. 8 Boston University Quarterfinals – Thursday, March 7 No. 8/9 Winner [Loyola] at No. 1 Colgate
No. 7/10 Winner [Lafayette] at No. 2 Bucknell No. 6 Army West Point at No. 3. Lehigh No. 5 Navy at No. 4 American Semi-Finals No. 6 Army West Point at No. 1 ColgateNo. 4 American at No. 2 Bucknell
Finals No. 2 Bucknell at No. 1 Colgate Champion: Bucknell So, Bucknell to the NCAA as tournament champions; Colgate to the NIT as regular season champs (don't say it, bison137, 'gate won it on a tie-breaker but they did win it). Just accept that I'm picking your team as tournament champs. But . . . . . maybe by doing so I've hexed them. That'd be too bad.  |
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Post by cmo on Mar 4, 2019 12:14:33 GMT -5
Not sure how you know that - and you may be right. It has always been my understanding and presumed logic that the higher remaining seeds get to play the lower remaining seeds. That is, Army is the #6 seed (per PL official site) and presumably remains the #6 seed throughout the tournament. American is the #4 seed. So, to "reward" Colgate's #1 seed, they get to play the lower of the remaining seeds, in this case #6 Army despite the fact that they hypothetically defeated higher seed #3 Lehigh. Bucknell, as "punishment" for finishing the #2 seed, has to play the "better" (read: higher seed #4) team, American. Now, if you have something that is PL "official," I'm willing to listen for educational purposes. However, since the chances of me being anywhere close to what actually happens is minimal, I'll stand pat. But, in any case, thanks. It's not secret knowledge or anything: just the normal seeding in an eight-seed tournament: First round: 1 plays 8 2 plays 7 3 plays 6 4 plays 5 Second (semifinal) round: 1-8 winner plays 4-5 winner 2-7 winner plays 3-6 winner The assumption is that the top seeds (1-4) will win in the first round. If this happens, the lowest remaining seed (4) would still have the toughest path to the championship by having to the top seed, and the top seed (1) is still rewarded for finishing first by playing the lowest remaining seed. reseeding after each round would probably be better. |
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 4, 2019 12:36:46 GMT -5
That's what I thought I remembered in the past that they did. But I was apparently wrong.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 4, 2019 12:39:18 GMT -5
The WCC (also with 10 teams) is going to a new model this year to further reward the top seed. They accomplish this by adding an extra round, an then giving extra byes to the top seeds. Seeds 1 & 2 get 3 byes; in other words, they are already in the semi finals. Meanwhile, the 3rd and 4th seeds get 2 byes. The first round features 7-10 and 8-9 games. Then, there is a second round where those winners face off against the 5th and 6th seeds. At that point they are left with 6 teams (including the top 2 seeds). The lower 4 play each other, with the winners moving to the semis. So, to win the whole thing, seeds 7-10 have to win 5 games; seeds 5-6 have to win 4; seeds 3-4 have to win 3; and the top 2 seeds only need 2 wins. Thoughts? 247sports.com/college/byu/Article/WCC-Bracket-2019-Mens-Basketball-Tournament-TV-Tip-Off-times-129666897/ |
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Post by sader1970 on Mar 4, 2019 13:24:10 GMT -5
While this would hurt HC this year, it would put greater emphasis on doing well over the long haul regular in-conference season and IMHO that’s how it should be.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 5, 2019 22:43:50 GMT -5
The WCC (also with 10 teams) is going to a new model this year to further reward the top seed. They accomplish this by adding an extra round, an then giving extra byes to the top seeds. Seeds 1 & 2 get 3 byes; in other words, they are already in the semi finals. Meanwhile, the 3rd and 4th seeds get 2 byes. The first round features 7-10 and 8-9 games. Then, there is a second round where those winners face off against the 5th and 6th seeds. At that point they are left with 6 teams (including the top 2 seeds). The lower 4 play each other, with the winners moving to the semis. So, to win the whole thing, seeds 7-10 have to win 5 games; seeds 5-6 have to win 4; seeds 3-4 have to win 3; and the top 2 seeds only need 2 wins. Thoughts? 247sports.com/college/byu/Article/WCC-Bracket-2019-Mens-Basketball-Tournament-TV-Tip-Off-times-129666897/I don’t like it. If a low-seeded team pulls an upset or two, so be it. No team should have to play three more games than another. A first-round bye for the top one, two or six teams should serve as sufficient advantage/incentive. If a 10 beats a 7, and then the two, they should then play the 3-6 winner - even if it’s the latter. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 5, 2019 23:19:00 GMT -5
Researched it further, NJJ. It appears you are correct but really doesn't change my picks, just who Army loses to. Revised: First Round – Tuesday, March 5 No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 7 Lafayette No. 9 Loyola Maryland at No. 8 Boston University
Quarterfinals – Thursday, March 7 No. 8/9 Winner [Loyola] at No. 1 Colgate
No. 7/10 Winner [Lafayette] at No. 2 Bucknell No. 6 Army West Point at No. 3. Lehigh No. 5 Navy at No. 4 American Semi-Finals No. 6 Army West Point at No. 1 ColgateNo. 4 American at No. 2 Bucknell
Finals No. 2 Bucknell at No. 1 Colgate Champion: Bucknell So, Bucknell to the NCAA as tournament champions; Colgate to the NIT as regular season champs (don't say it, bison137, 'gate won it on a tie-breaker but they did win it). Just accept that I'm picking your team as tournament champs. But . . . . . maybe by doing so I've hexed them. That'd be too bad. Do you want to erase the board and start over with the remaining games? |
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Post by HCFC45 on Mar 6, 2019 1:41:13 GMT -5
Researched it further, NJJ. It appears you are correct but really doesn't change my picks, just who Army loses to. Revised: First Round – Tuesday, March 5 No. 10 Holy Cross at No. 7 Lafayette No. 9 Loyola Maryland at No. 8 Boston University
Quarterfinals – Thursday, March 7 No. 8/9 Winner [Loyola] at No. 1 Colgate
No. 7/10 Winner [Lafayette] at No. 2 Bucknell No. 6 Army West Point at No. 3. Lehigh No. 5 Navy at No. 4 American Semi-Finals No. 6 Army West Point at No. 1 ColgateNo. 4 American at No. 2 Bucknell
Finals No. 2 Bucknell at No. 1 Colgate Champion: Bucknell So, Bucknell to the NCAA as tournament champions; Colgate to the NIT as regular season champs (don't say it, bison137, 'gate won it on a tie-breaker but they did win it). Just accept that I'm picking your team as tournament champs. But . . . . . maybe by doing so I've hexed them. That'd be too bad. Do you want to erase the board and start over with the remaining games? Too late... spoke with him earlier... he's already gone "sack cloth and ashes"...  ! |
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Should be at least as easy as when people pick the NCAA brackets! Um, maybe not!
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