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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 7, 2019 12:15:06 GMT -5
Very good and accurate post, KY.
Bring Back's weird obsession with Austin Butler has clouded his typical fine analysis of our team.
As you said, by just about every metric during PL play, Butler has been a better player than Green and Grandison.
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Post by classof83 on Mar 7, 2019 12:32:58 GMT -5
Tonight's game is a tall task for HC.
The reason we won at the Hart was because Bucknell had 23 TO's. A lot of those were unforced and because Bucknell was careless with the ball. I don't expect that to happen tonight.
According to Worcester Gray it looks like the one good thing about our defense is that we create a lot of turnovers, but Bucknell's TO's in that game was an anomaly since they are usually pretty good in not turning the ball over. With that many turnovers we should have won by a lot more, but we also didn't shoot it very well - 20% for the game on 3's.
As I recall we extended the defense to create pressure on the wings. I would expect us to do that again. Toomer killed us in the first game hitting corner 3's.
Sestina also had 15 rebounds in the game at the Hart and we were out rebounded by 18.
I think we need Faw to play well tonight if we have a chance, both on the boards and shooting.
I would also like to see more Copeland than Benzan tonight - neither are great offensively, but I think Copeland's length creates better match ups for us - especially on the defensive side of the ball..
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 7, 2019 14:12:13 GMT -5
IMO, the secondary players could play a huge role in who wins this game. If the combination of Floyd-Grandison-Green plays to their capabilities (as they did vs LaughU, particularly in the 2nd half), HC is at least even with Bucknell's top 3 of McKenzie-Sestina-Moore/Sotos/Toomer. However, Bucknell could have a very significant advantage in their secondary players -- the leftovers of Moore/Sotos/Toomer, Funk, Meeks. Some key questions for HC's secondary group: - Will Benzan be able to play and, if so, how effective can he be after his injury?
- Can Butler find a sweet spot of not forcing things and letting the "leftover" offense from JF/JG/CG come to him?
- Assuming Grandison gets Moore, can Butler defend Kimball McKenzie?
- Of the 24 players who have played 40%+ minutes for Carmody at HC, Faw's 5.9% Assist Rate (4.8% in PL play) is by far the lowest of any player. If he is just going to look to fire away whenever he gets the ball, can he shoot at a higher percentage than he did against LaughU?
- Will Faw be able to guard Sestina and/or Moore without fouling?
- If Benzan is unable to play or move around effectively, can Copeland/Zignorski do anything to slow down whoever they are matched up with?
"Can Butler find a sweet spot of not forcing things and letting the "leftover" offense from JF/JG/CG come to him?" You continue with the nonsense of suggesting that Austin Butler should be some kind of secondary player. In PL games he has outscored and outrebounded both JG and CG and has a higher shooting percentage than both of them. He has taken 15 fewer field goal attempts than JG. In PL play he has a lower turnover rate than both JG and CG. He has shown the ability to draw fouls, taking as many free throws as CG and JG combined in PL games. These are all facts. If you believe at all in KenPom's calculations you can see that in PL games AB has a 105.1 O-rating to 94.0 for JG and 93.5 for CG. You went on the record early in stating that you didn't think AB was a very good player (remember where you ranked him on a long list of recent HC players?). He was playing injured earlier in the year. Every player makes mistakes but I think you feel you must defend your stubborn preconception of AB as you note and repeat each mistake he makes and overlook those of those players you have endorsed. It's like this business of "can't keep in front of the man he is guarding" or "player X blew by him"---re-watch the Lafayette game, or any other, and you'll see players blow by JG and see that every player, even JF, gets beat on occasion. I love JF, JG, and CG. AB is not a secondary player on this team. Wrong. Butler was outside of the top 5 players in the Lafayette game (Floyd, Grandison, Jaworski, Green, Petrie). I looked it up in the Basketball Dictionary and, by definition, if you are outside of the top 5 players in a PL Pig Pen game, you are not a "primary player." If anyone has a "preconception" it is those who made up their mind about how great Butler was simply after watching him shoot 3s in his high school highlight film, and who refuse to actually pay attention to defense. On the other hand, I chose to just watch him play and decide from there. Citing his performance in PL games this year as evidence that he is not a secondary player is just not something I can't get behind. We finished in 10th place with a record of 6-12. Without Grandison and Green playing well, the team was awful. If Butler was actually a "primary player," he would have been able to carry more of that slack without the team falling apart. One last question -- can a 6-12, 10th place team in the PL really have 4+ "primary players?" That doesn't sound logical. ---- Go Cross Go!! Buck the Fison!!
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Post by bison137 on Mar 7, 2019 14:56:54 GMT -5
Tonight's game is a tall task for HC. The reason we won at the Hart was because Bucknell had 23 TO's. A lot of those were unforced and because Bucknell was careless with the ball. I don't expect that to happen tonight. According to Worcester Gray it looks like the one good thing about our defense is that we create a lot of turnovers, but Bucknell's TO's in that game was an anomaly since they are usually pretty good in not turning the ball over. With that many turnovers we should have won by a lot more, but we also didn't shoot it very well - 20% for the game on 3's. As I recall we extended the defense to create pressure on the wings. I would expect us to do that again. Toomer killed us in the first game hitting corner 3's. Sestina also had 15 rebounds in the game at the Hart and we were out rebounded by 18. I think we need Faw to play well tonight if we have a chance, both on the boards and shooting. I would also like to see more Copeland than Benzan tonight - neither are great offensively, but I think Copeland's length creates better match ups for us - especially on the defensive side of the ball.. One big issue for Bucknell's backcourt play is Sotos' injury. He dislocated his shoulder and tore his labrum ten games ago, and has to wear a brace that restricts his motion. Needs surgery as soon as the season ends. Prior to the injury, he had 53 assists vs 18 turnovers in eight PL games. Since the injury, he has 40 assists vs 26 turnovers in an identical eight games. Still led the PL in apg and led starting players in assist:turnover ratio despite the decline in play. Additionally he is only 7-33 on threes since the injury and his ability to get to the rim has also suffered. With a lead, he is still their best alternative. But if the Bison are behind, they will make the switch to Funk, who is capable of making a lot of threes. That happened last game vs Army, when Sotos did not play the last 6:15.
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Post by lou on Mar 7, 2019 15:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by possum on Mar 7, 2019 15:29:38 GMT -5
Bison we all know about Sotos injury as you remind us at about it at least once a week. If the injury is so limiting maybe he shouldn't be playing as you won both games he didn't play. 83 made good point not likely to get 23 turnovers again. Need good games from both Green and Grandison to have a chance. Both will have tough match ups if as anticipated they square off with Moore and Toomer. With Bucknell's tight man to man we will have tough time shooting high percentage from three point land. Hopefully their poor play over the last two weeks will continue for one more game.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 7, 2019 15:41:51 GMT -5
Bison we all know about Sotos injury as you remind us at about it at least once a week. If the injury is so limiting maybe he shouldn't be playing as you won both games he didn't play. 83 made good point not likely to get 23 turnovers again. Need good games from both Green and Grandison to have a chance. Both will have tough match ups if as anticipated they square off with Moore and Toomer. With Bucknell's tight man to man we will have tough time shooting high percentage from three point land. Hopefully their poor play over the last two weeks will continue for one more game. I've actually mentioned it twice. It's a big issue worth mentioning for anyone interested in pregame analysis.
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Post by cmo on Mar 7, 2019 16:20:14 GMT -5
Legit, you mention more times than 87 mentions that the PL is not a good fit for HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 7, 2019 16:24:49 GMT -5
Bison, your pre-game analysis is always top notch. Our senior guard PB is injured also. But how does Meteorology factor into pre-game analysis, can lightning strike twice at Sojka in the PLT?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 7, 2019 16:31:23 GMT -5
Speaking of the Wizard of Ahs 😊 and his advocacy of HC moving to a stronger conference, do Bucknell fans clamor for a BB conference upgrade, too?
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Post by lou on Mar 7, 2019 16:41:22 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2019 17:09:35 GMT -5
Legit, you mention more times than 87 mentions that the PL is not a good fit for HC. S0, you are telling me that there really is a number bigger than infinity?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 7, 2019 17:15:43 GMT -5
Has any player been dogged more constantly by one person in the history of this board? I mean, handfuls of people used to be critical of Justin B, AnT......even the other AB, Andrew Beinert, had his detractors. But I can't think of an example that compares to this.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2019 17:31:09 GMT -5
AB’s standing among the 8 guys who have played at least 200 minutes:
FG% 2nd 3 pt FG% 1st FT%: 4th Minutes: 3rd Assists: 5th Rebounds: 2nd Steals: 1st Blocks: 4th Pts: 3rd Turnovers: T2nd Floor burns: 1st (unofficial)
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Post by classof83 on Mar 7, 2019 17:33:47 GMT -5
Tonight's game is a tall task for HC. The reason we won at the Hart was because Bucknell had 23 TO's. A lot of those were unforced and because Bucknell was careless with the ball. I don't expect that to happen tonight. According to Worcester Gray it looks like the one good thing about our defense is that we create a lot of turnovers, but Bucknell's TO's in that game was an anomaly since they are usually pretty good in not turning the ball over. With that many turnovers we should have won by a lot more, but we also didn't shoot it very well - 20% for the game on 3's. As I recall we extended the defense to create pressure on the wings. I would expect us to do that again. Toomer killed us in the first game hitting corner 3's. Sestina also had 15 rebounds in the game at the Hart and we were out rebounded by 18. I think we need Faw to play well tonight if we have a chance, both on the boards and shooting. I would also like to see more Copeland than Benzan tonight - neither are great offensively, but I think Copeland's length creates better match ups for us - especially on the defensive side of the ball.. One big issue for Bucknell's backcourt play is Sotos' injury. He dislocated his shoulder and tore his labrum ten games ago, and has to wear a brace that restricts his motion. Needs surgery as soon as the season ends. Prior to the injury, he had 53 assists vs 18 turnovers in eight PL games. Since the injury, he has 40 assists vs 26 turnovers in an identical eight games. Still led the PL in apg and led starting players in assist:turnover ratio despite the decline in play. Additionally he is only 7-33 on threes since the injury and his ability to get to the rim has also suffered. With a lead, he is still their best alternative. But if the Bison are behind, they will make the switch to Funk, who is capable of making a lot of threes. That happened last game vs Army, when Sotos did not play the last 6:15. Interesting - in the game at the Hart - Sotos had 5 of the 23 TO's. Both McKenzie and Sestina also had 5, I don't know if McKenzie had his 5 at the point when Sotos was on the bench, but it looks to me it was not just Sotos. 18 of the TO's were on other players. I am not sure Bucknell was "dialed-in" for that game. I am sure they will be tonight.
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Post by Ray on Mar 7, 2019 17:37:54 GMT -5
1993, 2010, 2016. We've got a nice history of stunning the Bison in their building in March. One more time, please:
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Post by efg72 on Mar 7, 2019 17:39:06 GMT -5
"Can Butler find a sweet spot of not forcing things and letting the "leftover" offense from JF/JG/CG come to him?" You continue with the nonsense of suggesting that Austin Butler should be some kind of secondary player. In PL games he has outscored and outrebounded both JG and CG and has a higher shooting percentage than both of them. He has taken 15 fewer field goal attempts than JG. In PL play he has a lower turnover rate than both JG and CG. He has shown the ability to draw fouls, taking as many free throws as CG and JG combined in PL games. These are all facts. If you believe at all in KenPom's calculations you can see that in PL games AB has a 105.1 O-rating to 94.0 for JG and 93.5 for CG. You went on the record early in stating that you didn't think AB was a very good player (remember where you ranked him on a long list of recent HC players?). He was playing injured earlier in the year. Every player makes mistakes but I think you feel you must defend your stubborn preconception of AB as you note and repeat each mistake he makes and overlook those of those players you have endorsed. It's like this business of "can't keep in front of the man he is guarding" or "player X blew by him"---re-watch the Lafayette game, or any other, and you'll see players blow by JG and see that every player, even JF, gets beat on occasion. I love JF, JG, and CG. AB is not a secondary player on this team. Wrong. Butler was outside of the top 5 players in the Lafayette game (Floyd, Grandison, Jaworski, Green, Petrie). I looked it up in the Basketball Dictionary and, by definition, if you are outside of the top 5 players in a PL Pig Pen game, you are not a "primary player." If anyone has a "preconception" it is those who made up their mind about how great Butler was simply after watching him shoot 3s in his high school highlight film, and who refuse to actually pay attention to defense. On the other hand, I chose to just watch him play and decide from there. Citing his performance in PL games this year as evidence that he is not a secondary player is just not something I can't get behind. We finished in 10th place with a record of 6-12. Without Grandison and Green playing well, the team was awful. If Butler was actually a "primary player," he would have been able to carry more of that slack without the team falling apart. One last question -- can a 6-12, 10th place team in the PL really have 4+ "primary players?" That doesn't sound logical. ---- Go Cross Go!! Buck the Fison!!Appreciate the data but when I go into battle or any athletic competition I want Butler on the floor with me. If I am evaluating the contribution and value to the team this year I go Floyd Butler Grandison Green Faw Niego Benzan Copeland Zignorski if I evaluate the talent Floyd Green Butler Grandison Faw Niego Copeland Benzan Zignorski but none of that matters -let’s win the game!!
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2019 18:14:29 GMT -5
Is there still a charge for these games on Stadium if I try to access through my Firestick?
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Post by DiMarz on Mar 7, 2019 18:19:59 GMT -5
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Post by lou on Mar 7, 2019 18:23:29 GMT -5
Is there still a charge for these games on Stadium if I try to access through my Firestick? Under apps, you should see stadium, does not say premium for this game
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 7, 2019 18:49:18 GMT -5
must....remember....to.....mute......sound...
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2019 18:53:26 GMT -5
Thanks guys. Got a new Firestick so was wondering whether it was worth hooking up. I have done so and it looks like it should work at 7:00. I have an aversion to paying for Stadium and would have watched it another way if I had to pay.
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Post by hcnation on Mar 7, 2019 18:54:50 GMT -5
must....remember....to.....mute......sound... Only if Birdsong is the announcer
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2019 18:59:43 GMT -5
must....remember....to.....mute......sound... Only if Birdsong is the announcer Is there another choice at Bucknell???
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Post by hcnation on Mar 7, 2019 19:00:15 GMT -5
Carmody states “need to have fast start “ As Down there Buck gets big Leads pretty quickly early
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