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Post by bison137 on Mar 10, 2019 17:12:16 GMT -5
I have attended many MAAC tournament games over the years. When played in Albany, there are huge crowds when Siena plays and a relatively empty arena for almost all other games.
And when it has been played outside of Albany, the attendance was pathetic at best. I attended a championship game with no more than 2000 fans at the WBA not too long ago, for example. And that game involved two NYC-area schools. One championship game in Springfiled had about 1500 people in the stands.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 10, 2019 17:18:15 GMT -5
I must admit I thought this was a trick question.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 10, 2019 17:26:35 GMT -5
The PL should do everything it can to ensure it’s sending the best team to the NCAAT. Even when the quarters and semis were at a neutral site, the higher seed for the championship game was played at their home. I wouldn’t be opposed to doing what some leagues do (the MAAC and NEC come to mind) where the bottom teams miss the conference tournament. The PL could just have 1-8 make it, and 9 and 10 go home. Agree with the sentiment of wanting to give the best team the greatest chance to make the regular season meaningful. Another alternative would be to give the top 2 teams a 2 round bye, and let 3-10 play 2 rounds to get to the semil final teams.
I've said this before, but I thought the short lived "2 pod" tournament experiment to be a decent compromise between rewarding the top seeds, while having multiple games at the same venue (in this case, the home courts of the top 2 seeds).
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 10, 2019 17:42:11 GMT -5
Incidently, did anyone watch any of the Lipscomb-Liberty game (played at Lipscomb)? I could certainly live with experiencing an environment like they had there - probably better than most games played this year at either Conte Forum or the Mullins Center. Course pro sports don't quite dominate there like it does here (and I don't expect that to change in my lifetime). Maybe getting to the PL championship game year after year might bring in a few more fans. Now, it wasn't the semi pro level of play like those schools that use the Will Wade method in recruiting, but I saw a lot of decent ball just the same.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 10, 2019 17:48:58 GMT -5
That was a good game, Dave. Watched from the final media timeout on.
I hope Lipscomb gets in over a P5 team with sub .500 conference record (Indiana, Texas, et al).
What’s the quick fix for us to get to Wofford’s level?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 10, 2019 18:00:59 GMT -5
Well, one thing that might help (but might not meet the definition of quick) is to get real lucky with an incoming transfer (and I wonder if that is in play with the lack of names we are hearing with the last 2019 schollie). Another thing would be a "Plan B" for conference play (offense and defense). A third would be ultra intensive off season workout regiment for the returnees. Big summer for Faw.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 10, 2019 18:47:20 GMT -5
Worcester and the state should just offer the Patriot League a $100M guarantee for the tournament. That is a true and tried method to get something moved to the city.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 10, 2019 19:24:37 GMT -5
Yes, tell the City Council the finalists are Pawtucket and Worcester.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 10, 2019 19:31:29 GMT -5
Yes, tell the City Council the finalists are Pawtucket and Worcester.
It doesn't even have to make any financial sense. One would think with their past actions, they would be all behind it. I am sure that they will be able to hire someone again that will say it will pay for itself.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 10, 2019 19:44:23 GMT -5
Two professors from Holy Cross wrote unpaid "As I see it" columns for the T&G, and/or were interviewed, pointing out the poor economic deal the new stadium is. The Smith College Professor who was paid by the city as a consultant produced a report praising the deal, contrary to his usual stance on publicly financed stadiums.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 11, 2019 8:16:24 GMT -5
The PL should do everything it can to ensure it’s sending the best team to the NCAAT. Even when the quarters and semis were at a neutral site, the higher seed for the championship game was played at their home. I wouldn’t be opposed to doing what some leagues do (the MAAC and NEC come to mind) where the bottom teams miss the conference tournament. The PL could just have 1-8 make it, and 9 and 10 go home. Actually I would support a change like NAD suggests that has 3-10 play 2 elimination rounds, leaving the league with 2 semi finalists to go with the top two teams. Having a one or a two lose to a bottom 4 school does not do anyone any favors. By the way, with the students gone, Bucknell had a pretty respectable and enthusiastic crowd yesterday vs Lehigh. What's the situation this week up at Colgate- are the students around?
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Post by timholycross on Mar 11, 2019 8:19:30 GMT -5
That was a good game, Dave. Watched from the final media timeout on. I hope Lipscomb gets in over a P5 team with sub .500 conference record (Indiana, Texas, et al). What’s the quick fix for us to get to Wofford’s level? I would think Belmont has a chance to get in over some mediocre Power 5 school.
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Post by res on Mar 11, 2019 8:25:33 GMT -5
By the way, with the students gone, Bucknell had a pretty respectable and enthusiastic crowd yesterday vs Lehigh. What's the situation this week up at Colgate- are the students around? No.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 11, 2019 14:58:19 GMT -5
The PL should do everything it can to ensure it’s sending the best team to the NCAAT. Even when the quarters and semis were at a neutral site, the higher seed for the championship game was played at their home. I wouldn’t be opposed to doing what some leagues do (the MAAC and NEC come to mind) where the bottom teams miss the conference tournament. The PL could just have 1-8 make it, and 9 and 10 go home. Actually I would support a change like NAD suggests that has 3-10 play 2 elimination rounds, leaving the league with 2 semi finalists to go with the top two teams. Having a one or a two lose to a bottom 4 school does not do anyone any favors. By the way, with the students gone, Bucknell had a pretty respectable and enthusiastic crowd yesterday vs Lehigh. What's the situation this week up at Colgate- are the students around? Colgate students mostly are gone. They had a very mediocre crowd yesterday - barely 1000. Bucknell will bring 400+ to the final, so it should be somewhat better on Wednesday. The last time Colgate filled their 1780 seats was when Adonal Foyle was there. Bucknell's attendance yesterday was about 2800 with no students thre.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 11, 2019 20:56:58 GMT -5
Must be many competing forms of entertainment in Hamilton.😋
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Post by bison137 on Mar 12, 2019 20:16:44 GMT -5
The MAAC championship game produced an official attendance of 2123 in Albany's massive arena. The number actually in the building was a lot less as a number of fans buy an all-session pass, which is relatively cheap. It helps the MAAC pad the attendance figure since everyone who buys one is counted as being at every game, even though they often are not.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 13, 2019 8:54:42 GMT -5
The NU/Hofstra game probably had about the same as the MAAC game...if there were more fans than that they were on the side opposite the benches and not visible on camera. However I do think it's smart that the CAA at least chooses the league city with the best weather...one might actually want to go to Charleston in March.
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Post by res on Mar 13, 2019 9:17:16 GMT -5
The CAA moves the site around. This year and last year the tournament was in Charleston. Previously, it had been in Baltimore. The next three years it will be in Washington. Back when it was much more of a Virginia-centric league, it was held in Richmond.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 13, 2019 9:20:49 GMT -5
The nu/Hofstra game probably had about the same as the maac game...if there were more fans than that they were on the side opposite the benches and not visible on camera. However I do think it's smart that the CAA at least chooses the league city with the best weather...one might actually want to go to Charleston in March. Their official attendance was 2890. No idea if they have the number of no-shows that the MAAC has for their final. The Patriot League final the last two years has averaged well over 4000, and was limited by the fire marshal.
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Post by purple71 on Mar 13, 2019 9:40:01 GMT -5
The nu/Hofstra game probably had about the same as the maac game...if there were more fans than that they were on the side opposite the benches and not visible on camera. However I do think it's smart that the CAA at least chooses the league city with the best weather...one might actually want to go to Charleston in March. Their official attendance was 2890. No idea if they have the number of no-shows that the MAAC has for their final. The Patriot League final the last two years has averaged well over 4000, and was limited by the fire marshal. I know that playing in the PL is the Holy Grail for Bucknell but my point is that arena’s will pay $300,000 plus expenses to the MAAC to host it’s post season single site tournament. Last year the tournament resulted in an $100,000 loss to our arena, this year, the arena broke even. The economic spin off of the tournament to the community is calculated at &2.97million. Here is the post mortun on this year’s event: MAAC basketball tournament sees small rise in attendance www.timesunion.com/sports/article/MAAC-basketball-tournament-sees-small-rise-in-13682615.php?t=96a94d12e1I don’t know what guarantee Atlantic City made to win hosting rights next year’s tournament. It will come out presumably. My point is that no one is interested to ponying up any money to host the PL tournament. Thus a single site event is not in the cards. That’s a function of the lack of recognition and/or interest in the PL For small leagues like the PL I would favor the Ivy model where the league regular season gets the bid without any post season tournament. It would prevent the Holy Cross run of a few years ago which was inherently unfair to the league. Just my view.
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Post by res on Mar 13, 2019 9:40:39 GMT -5
The official attendance the previous year was over 7,900 thanks to the CoC's presence in the title game. Frankly, I think this argues for campus sites for the vast majority of mid-major leagues. People show up for the home team, not so much otherwise.
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Post by classof83 on Mar 13, 2019 9:43:33 GMT -5
I believe the IVY League now does a Post Season Tournament. It started in 2017
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Post by res on Mar 13, 2019 9:44:24 GMT -5
For small leagues like the PL I would favor the Ivy model where the league regular season gets the bid without any post season tournament. It would prevent the Holy Cross run of a few years ago which was inherently unfair to the league. Just my view. The Ivy no longer does that. The champion and automatic qualifier is the winner of a 4-team tournament. As to your idea of awarding the bid to the regular season champion, I agree. I've never been a fan of the conference tournaments though they generate a lot of money for the bigger conferences.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 13, 2019 9:49:22 GMT -5
The CAA moves the site around. This year and last year the tournament was in Charleston. Previously, it had been in Baltimore. The next three years it will be in Washington. Back when it was much more of a Virginia-centric league, it was held in Richmond.
Its location in DC will be at a new $65M arena far from downtown in Southeast Washington. It is the home of the WNBA Mystics and seats approximately 4,200.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 13, 2019 9:50:05 GMT -5
I believe the IVY League now does a Post Season Tournament. It started in 2017 This Saturday at Yale: Princeton plays Yale while Harvard plays Penn.
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