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Post by purplehaze on Mar 13, 2019 15:23:44 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Mar 13, 2019 15:29:06 GMT -5
That does seem early but grabbing a home game - in potentially very good weather - is always good news at Colgate. They've got a tough schedule themselves.
Villanova is playing LIU this year (first year for LIU in D1/FCS) down at Villanova (I think LIU's home field is CW Post).
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 13, 2019 19:06:43 GMT -5
That's SUPER early. Back in the day of the Kickoff Classic at the Meadowlands, college football had some early starts but 8-24 may well be the record.
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Post by southernsader on Mar 13, 2019 20:00:11 GMT -5
Miami v. Florida is 8/24 as well.
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Post by realism on Mar 13, 2019 20:08:16 GMT -5
If you read carefully, you'll find the big play is the nationally televised broadcast on ether ESPNU or ESPN in a weekend that has a total of 4 D1 games played nationally ( or something like that ). Eyeballs...branding. This is the same type of national broadcast package on '0' weekend that featured 'Gate@Cal Poly in 2017. "...The early games are called Week 0, and the NCAA allows such contests provided the game is a nonconference matchup and televised nationally to give FCS football added exposure. The Colgate-Villanova game is currently one of four Division I games scheduled for the opening Week 0 of the season..." gocolgateraiders.com/news/2019/3/10/raiders-release-2019-football-schedule.aspx |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 13, 2019 21:26:08 GMT -5
Are they playing chess while others are paying checkers?
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Post by gerry on Mar 13, 2019 22:00:17 GMT -5
UMass played on "Week 0" the last two seasons. Two years ago it was because they played Hawaii who is allowed to play that week due to their travel challenges. I'm not exactly sure why they played Duquesne in Week 0 last year unless it was the NCAA giving them some flexibility as they try to put together an independent schedule.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 13, 2019 23:30:12 GMT -5
That does seem early but grabbing a home game - in potentially very good weather - is always good news at Colgate. They've got a tough schedule themselves. Villanova is playing LIU this year (first year for LIU in D1/FCS) down at Villanova (I think LIU's home field is CW Post). I'm seeing Nova on Columbus Day weekend vs JMU. JMU's Parents' Weekend. |
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Post by timholycross on Mar 13, 2019 23:31:51 GMT -5
That does seem early but grabbing a home game - in potentially very good weather - is always good news at Colgate. They've got a tough schedule themselves. Villanova is playing LIU this year (first year for LIU in D1/FCS) down at Villanova (I think LIU's home field is CW Post). They're going to have some sports based out of CW Post and some out of Brooklyn. At least at first. |
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Post by joe on Mar 14, 2019 7:34:18 GMT -5
Would love to see HC be in the company of Villanova in any manner possible. Being in the same football conference would be terrific. Seems like a school with ample academic integrity and athletic success. Hope we never hear anything bad about any of their programs.
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Post by joe on Mar 14, 2019 8:48:31 GMT -5
I'd like HC to remain as it is academically and play Villanova in sports. And by sports I mean football and basketball. I don't think that's too hard to do. Great reach game in hoops, should be a good opponent for football. I'd like us in a better basketball conference but the way things are going, I've all but given up on that.
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Post by joe on Mar 14, 2019 9:43:02 GMT -5
I agree. I think HC has lost is courage and mojo in a lot of ways. The "Crusader Affair" was emblematic. Perhaps there is no longer a niche for a school like HC in D1 athletics. I believe there are still extraordinary student-athletes at the college, and I feel bad that they do not have the success and support they deserve. Not big fancy buildings and locker rooms with HD TVs, I mean human support and respect by fellow students, faculty, and the local and regional community. By hook or crook, they will still be learning valuable life lessons throughout their 4 years. My main hope is that HC figures out a way for them (and also alumni, donors, and fans) to enjoy the thrill and satisfaction of regular wins and league championships more than once in a blue moon.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 14, 2019 10:52:35 GMT -5
No doubt there are northeast Catholic schools, like VU and BC, that are simply far more popular with the kids nowadays than HC. Could be course offerings, location, size, name, academic reputation, or any one of a thousand other reasons. The fact that HC was once considered to be the stronger academic school is simply one of many changes on the college landscape. Perhaps indicating a more general change regarding HC's reputation, even some secular schools such as BU and Northeastern that once were considered inferior academically now are considered to be stronger academically than HC by a good many prospective students and parents.
None of this suggests we don't have good students (and good athletes) at HC.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 14, 2019 11:28:34 GMT -5
Perhaps the regional network of Catholic High School feeder schools has shrunk and disproportionately hurt HC over bigger urban universities like BC and VU, while not effecting BU and NU at all.
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Post by joe on Mar 14, 2019 12:36:29 GMT -5
As it related to athletics helping the brand, what I have always advocated is for HC to really select a couple marquee sports and make winners out of them, eliminating sports creatively under the framework of Title 9. There are many ways to do this and one creative thing could be to actually keep several smaller teams like golf, tennis, etc., maybe fund women's sailing and a couple of other similar women's sports to get the numbers up. I am very familiar with the NCAA compliance requirements on this. Along with this we need to renovate the football stadium and either mover hockey and basketball to the DCU or renovate those facilities too (if possible), and to find a league with no AI or schollie limits, and no redshirting issues. Of course, these are but a few action items on a very long list. I see HC's continued funding of so many losing D1 programs as being a sloppy management decision, at least as long as we remain a small, purely undergraduate, liberal arts school, which I think we should remain. I do not think it is realistically possible to expect to be dominant any one sport as long as the athletic department spreads its focus over so many sports and personnel. I really think we are D1 in name only for many sports anyway.
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Post by gate88 on Mar 15, 2019 8:55:11 GMT -5
It's been fun at 'gate to have a great football team, but, in the end, nobody cares about FCS football. The place to make noise is basketball. If Fordham had stayed in the PL how many NCAA trips could they have had? Rose Hill on national TV could be spun as a cool throwback, "Hoosiers in Gotham" story. Instead they went looking for the (sort of) bigtime and have been embarassments ever since. HC should be consistently in the PL championship mix in hoop and football, with Lehigh, Bucknell and Colgate. THE OLD DAYS ARE NOT COMING BACK! Your current girlfriend is smart, pretty, low-maintenance and just wants you to show you care occasionally.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 15, 2019 15:12:17 GMT -5
To those hypothesizing that Holy Cross' athletic woes are a result of our status as a "liberal arts college" as opposed to a "regional university"-- MAYBE
My opinion is that its purely institutional -- there is no desire within the halls of Fenwick to prioritize athletic success, even within the academically quaint Patriot League.
Davidson -- LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE. Atlantic 10 Basketball. Colgate -- LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE. In middle of nowhere. Doing just fine. Bucknell "University -- Despite the name, its apparently a lilberal arts college. Doing just fine in all sports except football which it apparently chooses to be apathetic about. University of Richmond - Another school that is apparently liberal arts but calls itself a "U". FCS national champ multiple times, A10 basketball.
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Post by rickii on Mar 15, 2019 15:32:25 GMT -5
This is a GREAT get for Colgate....a home game with Villanova.
Questions -
Did someone back out of a game late with Colgate ? If so who ?
Did someone do the same to Villanova ?
Was this a unique opportunity due to the ESPN national TV angle ?
Is this a 'one shot' game, a 1 for 2 or a 'home & home' with Colgate playing a game @villanova soon ?
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 15, 2019 16:08:52 GMT -5
I believe 'nova had an 11 game schedule but this year you're allowed to play 12 because there are 13 saturdays between labor day and thanksgiving. Colgate also had 11 games set and someone was thinking and put this together for week 0 - maybe it was someone at ESPN
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Post by rickii on Mar 15, 2019 16:27:52 GMT -5
I believe 'nova had an 11 game schedule but this year you're allowed to play 12 because there are 13 saturdays between labor day and thanksgiving. Colgate also had 11 games set and someone was thinking and put this together for week 0 - maybe it was someone at ESPN I All schools know the years for 12th games for the next 8-10 years. I'm thinking Colgate and Villanova both had 12 games booked long ago but each lost an opponent somehow at a late hour ( i'e., when Yale jilted HC ), sought each other out and made a deal....certainly with knowledge of the ESPN angle. |
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Post by hc87 on Mar 15, 2019 20:03:40 GMT -5
To those hypothesizing that Holy Cross' athletic woes are a result of our status as a "liberal arts college" as opposed to a "regional university"-- MAYBE
My opinion is that its purely institutional -- there is no desire within the halls of Fenwick to prioritize athletic success, even within the academically quaint Patriot League.
Davidson -- LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE. Atlantic 10 Basketball. Colgate -- LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE. In middle of nowhere. Doing just fine. Bucknell "University -- Despite the name, its apparently a lilberal arts college. Doing just fine in all sports except football which it apparently chooses to be apathetic about. University of Richmond - Another school that is apparently liberal arts but calls itself a "U". FCS national champ multiple times, A10 basketball.
I've often thought that we should/should have emulated Richmond with regard to athletics... |
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 15, 2019 22:00:39 GMT -5
Richmond was lucky to have E. Claiborne Robins of the Robitussin and Chapstick fortune as an alumnus. In 1969 alone he gave the school $60 million, which would be worth half a billion or so today, as well as more gifts over the years. Thus Richmond's football stadium and Athletics Center are named after him. Our football field and basketball arena are named after Catholic Priests, which is something to be proud of, but UR has a $2.5 billion endowment.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 16, 2019 20:38:57 GMT -5
Richmond was lucky to have E. Claiborne Robins of the Robitussin and Chapstick fortune as an alumnus. In 1969 alone he gave the school $60 million, which would be worth half a billion or so today, as well as more gifts over the years. Thus Richmond's football stadium and Athletics Center are named after him. Our football field and basketball arena are named after Catholic Priests, which is something to be proud of, but UR has a $2.5 billion endowment. Time to find another Luth or two! |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 20, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -5
Richmond was lucky to have E. Claiborne Robins of the Robitussin and Chapstick fortune as an alumnus. In 1969 alone he gave the school $60 million, which would be worth half a billion or so today, as well as more gifts over the years. Thus Richmond's football stadium and Athletics Center are named after him. Our football field and basketball arena are named after Catholic Priests, which is something to be proud of, but UR has a $2.5 billion endowment. Other than Bucknell, the other three referenced schools (Davidson, Richmond, Colgate) are richer than HC -- total endowment-wise; richer too in endowment $ per student. __________________________ In Virginia, there are six public universities that play Div I football, in Massachusetts, one. In Virginia there are two other public universities with solid mid-major hoops programs, VCU and GMU. In Massachusetts, none. HC is trapped in a region where interest in football at the collegiate and high school level is in decline, and it was never that great for hoops, particularly at the high school level. |
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