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Post by cfrivals on Mar 16, 2019 19:50:12 GMT -5
They truly know how to invest $95 million in a basketball and hockey facility. The place looks phenomenal! Not like the $95 mil we put into a 90 yard indoor football field to play mid level FCS football and do absolutely Zero for hockey and next to Zero for basketball. Very š
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 16, 2019 21:51:02 GMT -5
Yes, I saw it and had the same reaction. THAT is how you spend $95M.
Sad.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 16, 2019 22:26:21 GMT -5
How's UVM's football team doing?
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Post by rf1 on Mar 16, 2019 23:06:48 GMT -5
How's UVM's football team doing?
It has not been beaten in many many years. Same with its baseball team.
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Post by southernsader on Mar 16, 2019 23:18:55 GMT -5
Prioritizing a minor sport like hockey over football. Bizarre. Of course, it is practically Canada. I'll take the Luth, thank you.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 17, 2019 5:25:25 GMT -5
Well, it didnāt take long for the bloom to come off the Luth rose! Maybe this site should be called āCrossComplaintā.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 17, 2019 5:51:05 GMT -5
It's merely the same few miserable posters who complain about every single thing.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 17, 2019 6:54:21 GMT -5
Well........I'm guessing quite a few FCS schools would give anything to have an 90 yard indoor facility. As for basketball, I'm assuming that at SOME point the video board will get installed, and that there will be enough complaints about the concessions to make some improvements. With hockey, isn't the plan to go downtown when they go to HE? We are great with metrics around here - in 2024 can someone do an analysis to measure the impact of 90 vs 100 yard indoor facilities on W-L records?
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 17, 2019 7:53:34 GMT -5
Dig into it a bit and you'll find that you really mean that's how you announce an $80 million project 2 years ago, spend time trying to raise money for it during which time the cost rises to $95 million and then - spend $30 million dollars
- Spend $65 million from "other University sources" according to official releases which turns out to mean
- $5 million from deferred maintenance (i.e., maintenance of other infrastructure at the university doesn't happen) - borrow $60 million all to primarily benefit 2 teams as opposed to spending $95 million to benefit the entire athletics program.
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Post by thecrossisback on Mar 17, 2019 8:30:56 GMT -5
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 17, 2019 8:37:36 GMT -5
Dig into it a bit and you'll find that you really mean that's how you announce an $80 million project 2 years ago, spend time trying to raise money for it during which time the cost rises to $95 million and then - spend $30 million dollars
- Spend $65 million from "other University sources" according to official releases which turns out to mean
Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā - $5 million from deferred maintenance (i.e., maintenance of other infrastructure at the university doesn't happen) Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā - borrow $60 million all to primarily benefit 2 teams as opposed to spending $95 million to benefit the entire athletics program. At an absolute minimum: Menās soccer Womenās soccer Field hockey Menās lacrosse Womenās lacrosse Menās basketballl Womenās basketball Volleyball Menās track & field Womenās track & field Baseball Softball Menās golf Womenās golf Have I omitted any sport that hasnāt directly benefited from having a large indoor practice facility? Add the new strength and conditioning space to the discussion, and you can then include the M&W hockey teams and the M&W swimming and diving teams. Whoād I miss? Oh, yeah, football!!
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Post by cfrivals on Mar 17, 2019 8:59:16 GMT -5
Iām sorry, but I donāt enjoy seeing losing teams year after year in winter sports. The last time I checked, basketball and Hockey we the only top tier D1 sports we have. Are we going to FBS in Football? If so, then I get it, but FCS PL, makes no sense!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 17, 2019 9:21:47 GMT -5
Iām sorry, but I donāt enjoy seeing losing teams year after year in winter sports. The last time I checked, basketball and Hockey we the only top tier D1 sports we have. Are we going to FBS in Football? If so, then I get it, but FCS PL, makes no sense! The next AD will have a big job in front of him trying to clean up the mess FADNP created.
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Post by gks on Mar 17, 2019 14:12:05 GMT -5
Luth was never about the Hart game court.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 17, 2019 15:05:35 GMT -5
The next AD in many ways will have an easier path since major construction of the varsity facility has been completed, and the construction of a new student recreation center is underway.
One of the biggest obstacles the FADNP had to remove was the cultural inertia that Athlectic department was mired. That was not pleasant.
To redo the Hart Center as some have continued to focus, would have cost north of 20 to 30 million. That money has been directed to building a state of the art student recreation center, appropriate for āa school our sizeā.
One also have to consider the amount of land available for each venture. Would have been nice to have a 6,000 plus basketball arena, and a 4,000 plus hockey rink. However where are you going to park at least 7,000 plus cars on campus. When the Hart first opened, there were school bus shuttles from the Carlin parking lot, now the site of Stein, to the Hart. That option is not available. Egress from campus on game night was difficult to say the least.
For those who always seem to find fault, they should volunteer to fund raise to resolve their pet peeves. If you want chair backs in the Hart, I suggest getting together with 50 of your classmates and friends and raise 20,000 each for the project. A million should be able to resolve this issue for those who do not like the current configuration. The same was true of the Indoor practice facility, each steel trust cost 2 million. To extend the field another 20 yards would have cost at least 6 to 8 million.
Easy to complain on a chatboard, harder to solution plan, and raise the dollars necessary to complete the project. If you can raise the money, I am sure Rick Patterson, Chairman of the Board, would be glad to talk to you.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 17, 2019 15:29:45 GMT -5
uvmathletics.com/news/2017/11/15/general-sneak-peak-uvms-new-multi-purpose-center.aspxFor a school of 13,000+, for example the student recreation space is only twice the size of the āJoā. at less than 100,000 sq ft. Cost of construction is less in Burlington than in Worcester. Concept seems like a slightly larger version of the Luth from the video. Has it been announce when ground breaking will occur? Seems like ātimeā has not come today.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 17, 2019 15:41:09 GMT -5
The next AD in many ways will have an easier path since major construction of the varsity facility has been completed, and the construction of a new student recreation center is underway. One of the biggest obstacles the FADNP had to remove was the cultural inertia that Athlectic department was mired. That was not pleasant. To redo the Hart Center as some have continued to focus, would have cost north of 20 to 30 million. That money has been directed to building a state of the art student recreation center, appropriate for āa school our sizeā. One also have to consider the amount of land available for each venture. Would have been nice to have a 6,000 plus basketball arena, and a 4,000 plus hockey rink. However where are you going to park at least 7,000 plus cars on campus. When the Hart first opened, there were school bus shuttles from the Carlin parking lot, now the site of Stein, to the Hart. That option is not available. Egress from campus on game night was difficult to say the least.Ā For those who always seem to find fault, they should volunteer to fund raise to resolve their pet peeves. If you want chair backs in the Hart, I suggest getting together with 50 of your classmates and friends and raise 20,000 each for the project. A million should be able to resolve this issue for those who do not like the current configuration. The same was true of the Indoor practice facility, each steel trust cost 2 million. To extend the field another 20 yards would have cost at least 6 to 8 million. Easy to complain on a chatboard, harder to solution plan, and raise the dollars necessary to complete the project. If you can raise the money, I am sure Rick Patterson, Chairman of the Board, would be glad to talk to you. Can this be liked multiple times?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 17, 2019 17:47:14 GMT -5
Dig into it a bit and you'll find that you really mean that's how you announce an $80 million project 2 years ago, spend time trying to raise money for it during which time the cost rises to $95 million and then - spend $30 million dollars
- Spend $65 million from "other University sources" according to official releases which turns out to mean
- $5 million from deferred maintenance (i.e., maintenance of other infrastructure at the university doesn't happen) - borrow $60 million all to primarily benefit 2 teams as opposed to spending $95 million to benefit the entire athletics program. For $95 million, > a new arena for hoops. UVM is increasing seating for basketball from the current 3100 to about 3400, and replacing bleacher seating with seatbacks. According to the UVM AD, "the university made a āvery intentionalā decision not to increase the capacity of the facilities to avoid having empty seats at games and to maintain the current atmosphere." (Burlington Free Press gives the new seating capacity as 3200.) > creating a new concourse on the south side of the basketball arena to mirror the one on the arenaās north side, which will include new restrooms, more concession options and a new club room. There will also be a new video scoreboard. > repurposing Patrick Gym (current arena) as a nearly 100,000 square foot fitness center for students, much bigger than the 15,000 feet they currently have on campus. (THe Burlington Free Press gives the square footage as 86,000.) > rink renovations that include new seating, new entrance, a southern concourse, a video board and an upper-level overlook shared with the events center. Game-day capacity would be comparable to what it is now, 4,000 The rink is in the long barrel vaulted building at image left; this building also houses an indoor track and three basketball courts The new barrel-vaulted, basketball arena is image right to the rink, where there is now a parking lot. The recreation center, replacing the existing hoops arena, is to the left of the circular entrance. The existing basketball arena is image left of the circular entrance.. (The new recreation center looks to have a significantly smaller footprint than The Jo.) The smallish building to the left of the rink is existing campus recreation and fitness center and remains. The V-roof building above the new court has a small turf field and three tennis courts, and remains. The square building to the right of the new basketball arena houses athletic performance, and remains. The pool is just above the new basketball arena (part of the roof is shown) and remains..
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Post by cmo on Mar 17, 2019 20:05:51 GMT -5
When the Hart is packed, itās awesone.
The Hart gets packed when weāre good and when weāre hosting championship games. Having a better game day venue would help us win more recruiting battles and theoretically win more games as a result. Iām not sure thatās what people are getting. If we can get to that point without it, great. But itās going to be hard to recruit against bucknellās facility. Getting our program to bucknellās level would be my goal.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 17, 2019 20:32:48 GMT -5
Watching UVM send Syracuse packing in OT in the NCAA at the DCU: priceless. TJ Sorrentine hit 3 point dagger after dagger from so deep he was almost standing on the Holy Cross logo. We came oh so close three times under RW. Let's get back there. (to the NCAA, not necessarily the DCU)
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 17, 2019 20:34:34 GMT -5
Bucknell started with a new footprint,vs retro fitting an existing facility. Did you ever attend a game in Davis Gym? Not exactly the Taj Mahal.
Why is it hard to recruit against Bucknell? From following HC recruiting for 50 years, I have seen very little overlap in the players each school has recruited.
With Ken Langone as the benefactor, Co Founder of Home Depot, worth 3.3 billion, building a new facility such as Sojka, was not as difficult as the requirements and design for the Luth. The building material were probably secured through the Home Depot at a significant discount for Bucknell.
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Post by res on Mar 18, 2019 8:45:37 GMT -5
Bucknell started with a new footprint,vs retro fitting an existing facility. Did you ever attend a game in Davis Gym? Not exactly the Taj Mahal. Why is it hard to recruit against Bucknell? From following HC recruiting for 50 years, I have seen very little overlap in the players each school has recruited. With Ken Langone as the benefactor, Co Founder of Home Depot, worth 3.3 billion, building a new facility such as Sojka, was not as difficult as the requirements and design for the Luth. The building material were probably secured through the Home Depot at a significant discount for Bucknell. Perhaps not, but I never remember a problem with the hot water tap in the mens' room.
(Only slightly sorry for raising an old ghost. )
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Post by trimster on Mar 18, 2019 9:39:29 GMT -5
Watching UVM send Syracuse packing in OT in the NCAA at the DCU: priceless. TJ Sorrentine hit 3 point dagger after dagger from so deep he was almost standing on the Holy Cross logo. We came oh so close three times under RW. Let's get back there. (to the NCAA, not necessarily the DCU) I watched most of the selection show and a few minutes of the NIT selection show and it hit me square in the face just how irrelevant our once proud men's basketball program is these days. One hundred teams qualify or get selected to the two tournaments and to not be among them on a consistent basis is very troubling.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 18, 2019 10:03:23 GMT -5
While the upgrades at UVM will bring their facilities up to date, they do not really add much more capacity for either hockey and basketball and will not really change the program dynamics there much. Decent higher profile basketball teams are not going to suddenly change course and travel to Burlington to play at a similar sized small venue that is just much nicer and more modern. Same with hockey. The beneficiaries of these will be the athletes that regularly use them and the fans that visit. They will not be real program changers that will elevate UVM to a different higher level. These enhancements are not going to get them into a better conference. For hoops, it just makes them more comparable to their AE partners on campus homes at Albany, Stony Brook, Binghamton, and UMBC.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 18, 2019 10:43:25 GMT -5
How many NCAA football fields are 90 yards? I guess I was counting wrong the whole time I watched, broadcasted, or was on the field.
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