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Post by timholycross on Apr 12, 2019 16:11:30 GMT -5
The frozen four consisted off one team an hour west of us and another an hour south of us (or three hours if you hopped a freight on the P&W railroad). Bring in an AD who can help get Holy Cross into the mix. It's not about the AD. Yes, it's about a lotta things! AD happens to be one of them, however.
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Post by trimster on Apr 12, 2019 16:53:09 GMT -5
Decisions made above the AD level will determine the direction of HC athletics.
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Post by trimster on Apr 12, 2019 17:14:36 GMT -5
Decisions made above the AD level will determine the direction of HC athletics. I should have added I am expecting more of the same. What is sad is the idea of academic and athletic success being mutually exclusive in the minds of those making the decisions.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 12, 2019 20:56:42 GMT -5
Good point. HC has created a relatively narrow band of student atheletes to pick from. My sense is PC has risen in esteem from athletic success rather than dropped in academic standing due to admitting student atheletes that might not get into HC.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 12, 2019 21:04:50 GMT -5
Villanova
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 13, 2019 8:10:16 GMT -5
Good point. HC has created a relatively narrow band of student atheletes to pick from. My sense is PC has risen in esteem from athletic success rather than dropped in academic standing due to admitting student atheletes that might not get into HC. One of Providence Colleges top hockey players has dyslexia. Would he have been able to get into Holy Cross? Doubt it www.flohockey.tv/articles/6435620-josh-wilkins-has-found-his-groove-in-providence
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 13, 2019 8:24:52 GMT -5
Depends on what his academic record was. Dyslexia is a disability for which academic accommodations are well known and implemented at the elementary, high school and college level. I can virtually guarantee you that there are currently students with dyslexia at Holy Cross.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 14, 2019 17:11:52 GMT -5
Good point. HC has created a relatively narrow band of student atheletes to pick from. My sense is PC has risen in esteem from athletic success rather than dropped in academic standing due to admitting student atheletes that might not get into HC. Has PC risen in "academic rankings" of late? While we technically don't get "ranked against PC" as far as the US College report separates different types of schools, I dont believe there is much of a perception that PC is a stronger academic school than Holy Cross. I'm sure some students DO choose PC over HC because of academic offerings, location and desire for a college that's not TOO small. Desire to be on a campus with BIG TIME sports of course a factor though Om sure there are some who prefer HC because we DONT bill ourselves as a big time sports school.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 14, 2019 19:31:50 GMT -5
Good point. HC has created a relatively narrow band of student atheletes to pick from. My sense is PC has risen in esteem from athletic success rather than dropped in academic standing due to admitting student atheletes that might not get into HC. Has PC risen in "academic rankings" of late? While we technically don't get "ranked against PC" as far as the US College report separates different types of schools, I dont believe there is much of a perception that PC is a stronger academic school than Holy Cross. I'm sure some students DO choose PC over HC because of academic offerings, location and desire for a college that's not TOO small. Desire to be on a campus with BIG TIME sports of course a factor though Om sure there are some who prefer HC because we DONT bill ourselves as a big time sports school. PC and Fairfield are where the kids go around here who want a Catholic school and don’t get into HC, BC or Villanova.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2019 21:45:01 GMT -5
I have a relative who applied to PC in 1971. He mailed out the application on a Monday from Massachusetts and his acceptance letter arrived back on Wednesday. The Post Office had faster delivery then, but that still means his application was processed and completed on Tuesday. He got on the wait list at HC. He was accepted to BC, matriculated there, loved it, graduated and is living happily ever after. So while I assume PC is still easier to get into than HC, my sense is it was much easier back in the day. I also think BC may be just as selective as HC these days. Having a campus that straddles the city of Boston as well as leafy Chestnut Hill has made BC very trendy. Holy Cross also has a tremendous view … of Worcester.
Big time sports has to be a positive for BC and PC, but I don't know how to quantify that factor. I think location in a city that is trendy is another positive factor that is real but hard to quantify. Worcester is on the upswing, but perhaps not trendy yet.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 14, 2019 22:21:24 GMT -5
Pretty sure BC is more selective than HC these days. That was not the case in 1988.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2019 22:29:43 GMT -5
Yes, BC is much better known around the country than Holy Cross. Even BU, which was known as a "diploma mill" after WWII has benefitted from being in Boston. If you live in California or Arizona and you are able to say "My son/daughter is going to college in Boston" it has a much better ring to it than Wooster or Worchester.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 14, 2019 22:39:26 GMT -5
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 15, 2019 6:09:07 GMT -5
Apparently not well known enough, as I don’t do academic backgrounds checks on all DI student athletes, and very rarely read anything about college hockey.
With no other information provided, the inference one draws from the only information in your original post is that dyslexia would prevent him from getting into Holy Cross. That is what I responded to.
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Post by rf1 on Apr 15, 2019 12:43:14 GMT -5
The NCAA D1 Championships for the four main winter sports were decided in the last few weeks. The Finals results and attendance were as follows:
Men's Basketball: Champion Virginia - Minneapolis, MN - Final Attendance 72,062 (venue record - est capacity 73,000) Women's Basketball: Champion Baylor - Tampa, FL - Final Attendance 20,127 (capacity 20,500) Men's Hockey: Champion Minnesota-Duluth - Buffalo, NY - Final Attendance 13,624 (capacity 19,070) Women's Hockey: Champion Wisconsin - Hamden, Connecticut (Quinnipiac) - Final Attendance 3,423 (capacity 3,386)
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 15, 2019 12:53:03 GMT -5
The NCAA D1 Championships for the four main winter sports were decided in the last few weeks. The Finals results and attendance were as follows: Men's Basketball: Champion Virginia - Minneapolis, MN - Final Attendance 72,062 (venue record - est capacity 73,000) Women's Basketball: Champion Baylor - Tampa, FL - Final Attendance 20,127 (capacity 20,500) Men's Hockey: Champion Minnesota-Duluth - Buffalo, NY - Final Attendance 13,624 (capacity 19,070) Women's Hockey: Champion Wisconsin - Hamden, Connecticut (Quinnipiac) - Final Attendance 3,423 (capacity 3,386) Women's hockey was the only SRO crowd. Someone managed the arena selection well and it must have been a tremendous championship game atmosphere at the rink. Is there enough space on and behind the old Howard Johnson's lot to build an arena with an approximate 3386 capacity, in case I win powerball and want to donate the Longsuffering Igloo?
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Post by rf1 on Apr 15, 2019 13:12:21 GMT -5
The NCAA D1 Championships for the four main winter sports were decided in the last few weeks. The Finals results and attendance were as follows: Men's Basketball: Champion Virginia - Minneapolis, MN - Final Attendance 72,062 (venue record - est capacity 73,000) Women's Basketball: Champion Baylor - Tampa, FL - Final Attendance 20,127 (capacity 20,500) Men's Hockey: Champion Minnesota-Duluth - Buffalo, NY - Final Attendance 13,624 (capacity 19,070) Women's Hockey: Champion Wisconsin - Hamden, Connecticut (Quinnipiac) - Final Attendance 3,423 (capacity 3,386) Women's hockey was the only SRO crowd. Someone managed the arena selection well and it must have been a tremendous championship game atmosphere at the rink. Is there enough space on and behind the old Howard Johnson's lot to build an arena with an approximate 3386 capacity, in case I win powerball and want to donate the Longsuffering Igloo? All but men's hockey attracted at or very near capacity. Men's hockey only filled 71% of its venue's seats. Men's basketball attendance was the most impressive setting a venue record of 72,062 in a football stadium filling seats so far away from the court that play was actually hard to see.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 15, 2019 16:19:53 GMT -5
Hockey's final four doesn't capture the country's imagination like the M or even W basketball final four, but it is the most realistic way for Holy Cross to ever compete for a M or W national championship in a spectator sport. AIC got to the Elite Eight this year and they only have an undergraduate enrollment of 1372 and are a D-2 school in other sports.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 15, 2019 16:33:51 GMT -5
Actually if you factor in the head coaches, although the chance of either happening is extremely slight, I think Football has a better opportunity to play for a national championship in the next several years. Is a second tier national championship (FCS) in a major American Sport (Football) better than a first tier (D-1 Hockey) national championship in a less major American sport (Hockey)? For me, yes because I understand Football better.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 15, 2019 17:05:04 GMT -5
We are probably currently closet to the nation's top programs in men's lax (of the men's sports anyway). Like hockey though, a niche sport in the nation's sports consciousness.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 15, 2019 20:20:30 GMT -5
Women's hockey was the only SRO crowd. Someone managed the arena selection well and it must have been a tremendous championship game atmosphere at the rink. Is there enough space on and behind the old Howard Johnson's lot to build an arena with an approximate 3386 capacity, in case I win powerball and want to donate the Longsuffering Igloo? All but men's hockey attracted at or very near capacity. Men's hockey only filled 71% of its venue's seats. Men's basketball attendance was the most impressive setting a venue record of 72,062 in a football stadium filling seats so far away from the court that play was actually hard to see. Should be noted that is the lowest attendance for a Frozen Four since 2001. Last year’s sold out in St Paul and was a near sellout in Chicago the year before...
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 15, 2019 22:10:49 GMT -5
Lowest attendance since 2001 for a final game. But the teams competing do not have big traveling fan bases like Notre Dame, for instance, and it wasn't like a frozen four in Boston with two New England teams involved. Also, I attended a conference outside Albany twenty years ago when Worcester Airport had more flights. I was sent a plane ticket and it had me flying from Worcester to Philadelphia, waiting three hours and then flying to Albany. I ended up driving. I can only imagine the convoluted flights from Duluth to Buffalo. There can't be a non-stop and possibly not even a one stop. Best part of the conference in Albany was the side trip to the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. It was a day away from the induction. Pete Rose was set up in a storefront window on Main Street selling autographs and there was a minor league baseball game on the field behind the Hall. Went to the game, did not buy an autograph.
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