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Post by southernsader on Mar 25, 2019 20:57:02 GMT -5
transferring from High Point
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Post by HC92 on Mar 25, 2019 21:03:19 GMT -5
Presumably a grad transfer situation so he can play immediately. He spent a year at Iona and has now been enrolled at High Point for three years so that’s probably the case.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 25, 2019 21:36:18 GMT -5
Would he be considered a player who could contribute at a high-major / P6?
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Post by Crosser on Mar 25, 2019 22:00:42 GMT -5
Why has this young man switched schools so many times?! I kind of feel bad for him.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 26, 2019 5:24:03 GMT -5
transferring from High Point ...thus ensuring the Panthers a spot in the Dance next year. After he changed his mind on HC and left Iona, both programs made the NCAA the following season. Big South Scholar Athlete of the year, would assume under those circumstances he's got a sheepskin coming already.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 26, 2019 6:06:04 GMT -5
Why has this young man switched schools so many times?! I kind of feel bad for him. I wouldn’t feel too badly. He’s going to get two degrees without paying a dime of tuition or room/board.
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Post by trimster on Mar 26, 2019 7:33:03 GMT -5
Probably more common than you think in the this era of graduate transfers.
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Post by Tom on Mar 26, 2019 8:13:39 GMT -5
Would he be considered a player who could contribute at a high-major / P6? I don't think so. The highest ranked (RPI) conference he committed to is the Patriot League. This isn't RJ Evans
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 26, 2019 8:28:43 GMT -5
The fascination by some with players who either left HC or bailed on a commitment is very odd.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 26, 2019 8:29:04 GMT -5
Would he be considered a player who could contribute at a high-major / P6? I don't think so. The highest ranked (RPI) conference he committed to is the Patriot League. This isn't RJ Evans I disagree. I think that what he accomplished this past season trumps what he did in high school and which schools offered him. Take Cane Broome, for example. Lightly recruited out of high school, committed to Sacred Heart, and then transferred to Cincinnati where he had a productive junior and senior years. I bet Proctor could land at an AAC, A10, or CAA school.
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Post by bison137 on Mar 26, 2019 8:41:11 GMT -5
I don't think so. The highest ranked (RPI) conference he committed to is the Patriot League. This isn't RJ Evans I disagree. I think that what he accomplished this past season trumps what he did in high school and which schools offered him. Take Cane Broome, for example. Lightly recruited out of high school, committed to Sacred Heart, and then transferred to Cincinnati where he had a productive junior and senior years. I bet Proctor could land at an AAC, A10, or CAA school. Easily good enough for those three conferences. He did average 19.5 ppg and led his team in assists in a vastly improved Big South. But players worse than him have landed at P6-conference schools. If a school has a scholarship open and hasn't been able to find a HS player they want to use it on (or they already have enough scholarship players for the incoming class), it may be a choice of signing a Proctor for one year or simply letting the scholarship go to waste for a year. As an extreme example, Lafayette's Monty Boykins got a free ride to Pitt last year.
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Post by Tom on Mar 26, 2019 8:51:49 GMT -5
I don't think so. The highest ranked (RPI) conference he committed to is the Patriot League. This isn't RJ Evans I disagree. I think that what he accomplished this past season trumps what he did in high school and which schools offered him. Take Cane Broome, for example. Lightly recruited out of high school, committed to Sacred Heart, and then transferred to Cincinnati where he had a productive junior and senior years. I bet Proctor could land at an AAC, A10, or CAA school. All fine conferences and arguably the best of the rest. Still not P-6. Also we are not talking a one and done first round pick here. The market for a single year is somewhat limited. The Broome analogy is a little off in that they got two years, not just one. A school needs to be looking to fill an immediate but short term need. Time will tell, but I will stick to my prediction that Proctor does not wind up at a high major or P-6 team
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 26, 2019 8:54:51 GMT -5
The AAC was actually ranked above the P12 this year, but I hear you.
I think there's a home for Proctor in the lower rungs of the Big East or ACC if he wanted it. Also, are we sure that RJ Evans was really that superior to Proctor? I'm not so sure he was.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 26, 2019 9:14:37 GMT -5
While valuable, Evans was not tall and couldn't shoot (3s or free throws*) to save his life. How many good teams the way the game has evolved put a guy like that out there any more?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 26, 2019 9:16:59 GMT -5
The AAC was actually ranked above the P12 this year, but I hear you. I think there's a home for Proctor in the lower rungs of the Big East or ACC if he wanted it. Also, are we sure that RJ Evans was really that superior to Proctor? I'm not so sure he was. I took a quick look at the two players data in KenPom, ballparking their career numbers as KenPom has career numbers only for the shooting categories Category= RJ Evans/Jahad Proctor O-Rating= 93/110 OFF Reb %= 7.5/2.4 DEF Reb%= 11.5/11.2 Asst Rate= 19.0/20.0 TO Rate= 19.0/14.5 Blk%= 1.0/1.0 Steal %= 3.0/1.8 Fouls Com per 40= 3.5/2.0 Fouls Drawn per 40= 4.5/4.0 Free Throw %= .523/.772 2 Pt %= .492/.516 3 Pt %= .187/.345
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2019 9:32:24 GMT -5
I see some are interested in this, but why is there such interest (or any interest at all) in a player who once played for HC vs a player who never played for HC?
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Post by possum on Mar 26, 2019 9:54:29 GMT -5
For one thing there's not much else to talk about at this point. I remember when Proctor asked for his release a number of posters said it was for the better because he wasn't the type of kid HC wanted based on a few of his twitter posts. Charles on the other hand would be a good representative of the school. As it turns out one became conference student athlete of the year and the other we all know what happened to him. Maybe best not to make snap judgments on any of these kids.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2019 10:05:34 GMT -5
Indeed. And perhaps it is not a god idea to remember hat before his senior success (finally) he skipped out on two different programs. [Is being a Big South Scholar-Athlete of the year a bit like being the best "big man' on the Munchkin All Stars? True, I have no basis for that in fact, but that can be said for most of the Proctor "what-if" posts I have seen over the years.]
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 26, 2019 10:23:39 GMT -5
I see some are interested in this, but why is there such interest (or any interest at all) in a player who once played for HC vs a player who never played for HC? I guess some people are interested in college basketball outside of Holy Cross.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 26, 2019 10:32:38 GMT -5
He stuck it to "the Man" twice and traded his basketball skills for two degrees. IIRC, his father helped guide him in a way some found overbearing. If you consider the scandal ridden NCAA "the Man" and Proctor and his father the little guys, well good for them. Let's hope the father is more Richard Williams and less Lavar Ball, but anybody who can make free agency work in college sports like it does in the pros is pretty sharp.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2019 10:35:14 GMT -5
I see some are interested in this, but why is there such interest (or any interest at all) in a player who once played for HC vs a player who never played for HC? I guess some people are interested in college basketball outside of Holy Cross. ...only, it would seem, if it can reflect poorly on Holy Cross. He may well be a fine young man in other ways, but if Proctor is seen as representing college basketball today, the sport is in tough shape. And, if the interest and topic are about college basketball in general and not Holy Cross, might this thread belong more properly in "Other Topic of Discussion?"
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 26, 2019 10:46:27 GMT -5
Not saying this to nit pick you specifically RGS becasue others have said the same thing, but this section of the board is called
Men's Basketball Discuss Holy Cross Basketball & College Basketball
So this thread is in the right place.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 26, 2019 10:50:54 GMT -5
David Nichols at FSU and Joe Cremo at Villanova. I would say that Proctor is pretty much that same level of player.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 26, 2019 10:54:13 GMT -5
I see some are interested in this, but why is there such interest (or any interest at all) in a player who once played for HC vs a player who never played for HC? I guess some people are interested in college basketball outside of Holy Cross. Right. Because the kid is such is such a household name that message boards around the country are discussing him.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 26, 2019 11:01:39 GMT -5
Not saying this to nit pick you specifically RGS becasue others have said the same thing, but this section of the board is called Men's BasketballDiscuss Holy Cross Basketball & College BasketballSo this thread is in the right place. Thanks for pointing that out. The clarification is appreciated. I guess I am just fed up with hearing about Proctor for six or more years now (is that all it has been?).
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