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Gonzaga
Mar 28, 2019 15:07:51 GMT -5
Post by Chu Chu on Mar 28, 2019 15:07:51 GMT -5
I am looking forward the game with FSU this evening, and marveling at what this little mid-major has accomplished over the last 25 years.
I thought this board might be interested in the following, which I read yesterday, from the Gonzaga website:
I'm jealous. Hope they win it al!
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Gonzaga
Mar 28, 2019 15:22:39 GMT -5
Post by matunuck on Mar 28, 2019 15:22:39 GMT -5
Saddle for up all the reasons HC can't emulate (even modestly) even if we decided to ... we're too small ... academics are too hard ... .. who'd want us ... big-time basketball is a cesspool (even though we watch it) .. Worcester ... blah blah blah
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Gonzaga
Mar 28, 2019 16:42:08 GMT -5
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Post by joe on Mar 28, 2019 16:42:08 GMT -5
Saddle for up all the reasons HC can't emulate (even modestly) even if we decided to ... we're too small ... academics are too hard ... .. who'd want us ... big-time basketball is a cesspool (even though we watch it) .. Worcester ... blah blah blah I actually started composing a similar message and then said the heck with it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 28, 2019 16:42:49 GMT -5
Alums may finally be reacting to Gonzaga's decades long basketball success: its endowment grew 44% in 2017 (latest I have available) to $263MM
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Post by hchoops on Mar 28, 2019 18:39:52 GMT -5
The zags are a mid major in conference only. They are a high major in every other measure
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Gonzaga
Mar 28, 2019 19:42:14 GMT -5
Post by bison137 on Mar 28, 2019 19:42:14 GMT -5
Alums may finally be reacting to Gonzaga's decades long basketball success: its endowment grew 44% in 2017 (latest I have available) to $263MM For the most recent year, their endowment grew 5.0% - which was below average for the year. One big reason for the huge jump in the previous year was a $55 Million gift from a wealthy widow who passed away. Also the 2017 fiscal year generally showed a large return for almost all colleges - meaning they were riding a rising tide - plus Gonzaga had just finished a fund-raising campaign that almost certainly boosted the endowment growth. In the previous year, btw, their endowment dropped. if basketball has helped Gonzaga raise funds, it has been in a very limited way.
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Gonzaga
Mar 28, 2019 20:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 28, 2019 20:35:48 GMT -5
No helmet sports (football, hockey, lacrosse). Amazing what that leaves for resources.
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Gonzaga
Mar 28, 2019 21:16:43 GMT -5
Post by Chu Chu on Mar 28, 2019 21:16:43 GMT -5
It was an impressive win tonight over a very tough FSU team, 72-58.
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Gonzaga
Mar 28, 2019 21:17:30 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 28, 2019 21:17:30 GMT -5
Alums may finally be reacting to Gonzaga's decades long basketball success: its endowment grew 44% in 2017 (latest I have available) to $263MM For the most recent year, their endowment grew 5.0% - which was below average for the year. One big reason for the huge jump in the previous year was a $55 Million gift from a wealthy widow who passed away. Also the 2017 fiscal year generally showed a large return for almost all colleges - meaning they were riding a rising tide - plus Gonzaga had just finished a fund-raising campaign that almost certainly boosted the endowment growth. In the previous year, btw, their endowment dropped. if basketball has helped Gonzaga raise funds, it has been in a very limited way. Of course I agree with you. We have been watching Gonzaga and Xavier for many years and their endowments (other than the one-time bump you note) just are growing at the rate suggested by those who believe sports success enrich the school in every way
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 12:30:39 GMT -5
Post by Chu Chu on Mar 30, 2019 12:30:39 GMT -5
Bump. I expect a great game tonight, as the nation's #1 defense (according to KenPom) tries to stop the nations #1 offense. Maybe this'll put to rest the argument over which wins games?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 30, 2019 12:36:05 GMT -5
Not really The Zags weak conference schedule skews their stats. Texas Tech’s stats in the Big 12 are more reliable, although their OOC sched was very weak. The Zags are a good offensive team, but far from the best. SOS—Zags—78, a tribute to their strong OOC sched TT-40 also according to Kenpom, the elite 8 are all in the top 11 wonder if that has happened before.?
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 13:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Mar 30, 2019 13:16:14 GMT -5
Expecting Tech to win tonight. Should be fun. Glad it’s the earlier game.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 30, 2019 13:40:56 GMT -5
GO ZAGS !! Would be nice for a Jesuit school with no sordid history, who has never won one, win a national championship Esp one from a mid major conference(even though the Zags are clearly a high major team)
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 15:22:19 GMT -5
Post by Chu Chu on Mar 30, 2019 15:22:19 GMT -5
Expecting Tech to win tonight. Should be fun. Glad it’s the earlier game. Well, maybe, but the higher-seeded Bulldogs are a 4.5-point favorite.
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 19:12:44 GMT -5
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Post by hcnation on Mar 30, 2019 19:12:44 GMT -5
Texas Tech the better team
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 19:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Mar 30, 2019 19:34:45 GMT -5
Three seed beating a one seed not that much of an upset these days.
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 19:39:17 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 30, 2019 19:39:17 GMT -5
Not sure if any other posters feel the same way but my infatuation with Gonzaga came to end by about 2005. They are no different than the traditional P5 power schools at this point as far as I'm concerned.
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 20:16:28 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Mar 30, 2019 20:16:28 GMT -5
Not sure if any other posters feel the same way but my infatuation with Gonzaga came to end by about 2005. They are no different than the traditional P5 power schools at this point as far as I'm concerned. One big difference—neither Gonzaga nor any other conference team has cheated. Cannot be said for any of the power 6
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 20:37:36 GMT -5
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 30, 2019 20:37:36 GMT -5
Not sure if any other posters feel the same way but my infatuation with Gonzaga came to end by about 2005. They are no different than the traditional P5 power schools at this point as far as I'm concerned. One big difference—neither Gonzaga nor any other conference team has cheated. Cannot be said for any of the power 6 Assuming you’re talking about the WCC, that’s actually not true: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1956809While Gonzaga seems like a clean program, virtually all “high major” basketball and football schools bend the rules in one way or another, and nothing would surprise me.
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Gonzaga
Mar 30, 2019 20:56:56 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Mar 30, 2019 20:56:56 GMT -5
One big difference—neither Gonzaga nor any other conference team has cheated. Cannot be said for any of the power 6 Assuming you’re talking about the WCC, that’s actually not true: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1956809While Gonzaga seems like a clean program, virtually all “high major” basketball and football schools bend the rules in one way or another, and nothing would surprise me. OK in the last 6 years Bending the rules is far from outright breaking them
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Gonzaga
Mar 31, 2019 7:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2019 7:52:49 GMT -5
Mark Few makes 1.8 mill a year which is 61st in Division I. I was a little surprised hes that low on list but then again hes more highly compensated than many P5 coaches.
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Gonzaga
Mar 31, 2019 11:32:48 GMT -5
Post by Chu Chu on Mar 31, 2019 11:32:48 GMT -5
Not sure if any other posters feel the same way but my infatuation with Gonzaga came to end by about 2005. They are no different than the traditional P5 power schools at this point as far as I'm concerned. Well, to belabor the point I made earlier, one very big difference that they have compared to the P5 power schools, as I noted above, is that for the second straight year, Gonzaga has posted the nation’s best Annual Progress Rate multiyear average for its athletic program. With a score of 998 on the 1,000-point APR scale, which measures academic eligibility and retention of student-athletes, GU is tied with Holy Cross and Villanova for No. 1 among all NCAA member institutions. And Gonzaga is second in the nation in the latest Graduation Success Rate rankings. Gonzaga’s GSR score of 99 percent, behind only Harvard’s 100 percent, ties GU with Columbia, Dartmouth, Loyola of Chicago, Evansville and Yale. My fantasy is that we could do the same thing they have done, in our little non P5 power conference, if we truly aspire to excellence and achievement in academics and athletics.
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Gonzaga
Mar 31, 2019 11:40:24 GMT -5
Post by hchoops on Mar 31, 2019 11:40:24 GMT -5
Texas Tech deserves most of the credit, but the Zags backcourt helped lose this game the same way they helped lose to St. Mary’s in their conference championship. Norvell does not look inside before he takes his 30 footers, esp down the stretch. Perkins lacks the most important skill for a point guard—decision making, ex.not getting the ball to Hachi at the end, as well as huge defensive lapses when it counted most.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2019 12:41:32 GMT -5
chu - great points on Gonzaga doing things the right way when it comes to graduating student athletes. Ditto with Villanova. Considering the turmoil under Carmody, their APR score for Men's Hoops probably is better than ours right now.
That being said there is a huge difference between the WCC and the Patriot League. The WCC is basically the "A-10 of the West Coast". I'd also be willing to bet that despite the fact that GU makes a point to ensure its athletes graduate, there is probably a VERY WIDE chasm when it comes to average SAT scores and HS GPA's when you compare their guys to any Patriot League school. Again, no disrespect to Gonzaga University's excellent efforts to ensure their athletes all finish school but there is a difference when it comes to admissions and likely academic rigor as well. Some schools do a good job of getting athletes in the "right classes". Can't do that in a liberal arts college like Holy Cross or Lafayette.
In other words, I dont think it's possible for "Holy Cross of the Patriot League" to replicate the Gonzaga model. Maybe "Holy Cross of the A-10"...
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Gonzaga
Mar 31, 2019 15:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 31, 2019 15:40:35 GMT -5
Hows Auburns Mens Basketball APR? Enjoying seeing Kentucky lose -- pending Auburn foul shooting.
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