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Post by latoworcester on Apr 10, 2019 19:19:48 GMT -5
I have just found out that the interview processes are starting to get into full swing to replace FADNP I have heard that a possible candidate is none other than Geordie Lockbaum.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 10, 2019 19:46:20 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Apr 10, 2019 20:13:52 GMT -5
Terrific representative of HC
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 10, 2019 20:50:16 GMT -5
As discussed in another thread, neither Gordie nor the other high profile alum some would like to see get the job qualify under the posted position requirements. This plus the late posting of the job, along with Parker's involvement indicates that while they may have had their interest gauged, they either weren't interested, or are no longer candidates if they were interested.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 10, 2019 21:09:55 GMT -5
When Gordie was Bob Fouracre's color guy on HC Football broadcasts I picked up on a little different style from those who preceded him and followed him. He didn't cross any negative lines by any degree, but he called a spade a spade and was forthright in his criticism of poor play by Holy Cross more so than is typical of a former athlete at his Alma Mater. What style could be more needed than in the situation Holy Cross Athletics finds itself in today: All dressed up for the dance in a white sports coat and a pink carnation, but the '55 Chevy is stuck in a ditch with the wheels spinning.
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Post by joe on Apr 11, 2019 7:45:41 GMT -5
I'll believe this when I see it. I just don't see it happening for many reasons.
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Post by alum on Apr 11, 2019 7:49:07 GMT -5
It seems to me that if they wanted GL (or RP Jr) the College would have written the job description to fit that type of candidate. Additionally, why hire a search firm and pay tens of thousands of dollars if they had a candidate in mind? As ACTP notes, the job requirements disqualify a former athlete with no experience. Employers are advised to treat the requirements listed in the posting seriously because:
a. they represent what the employer thinks is necessary; and b. if they don't, they risk falling into stereotypes about who is qualified for a job as opposed to making an objective analysis; and c. when they rely on such stereotypes, as opposed to more objective criteria, they run the risk of discrimination claims which even if they can be successfully defended, are an unnecessary distraction.
Of course, JFK said that he made RFK the Attorney General of the United States in order to "give him a little experience before he goes out to practice law," so I guess this type of behavior has a long and storied history.
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Post by gks on Apr 11, 2019 8:14:51 GMT -5
Gordie would be a home run. Another boring administrator is what I fear.
Gordie would be akin to Mark Murphy at Colgate. Got that program humming and now they are the PL powerhouse.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 11, 2019 8:15:39 GMT -5
To the victor belongs the spoils.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2019 8:30:49 GMT -5
It seems to me that if they wanted GL (or RP Jr) the College would have written the job description to fit that type of candidate. Additionally, why hire a search firm and pay tens of thousands of dollars if they had a candidate in mind? As ACTP notes, the job requirements disqualify a former athlete with no experience. Employers are advised to treat the requirements listed in the posting seriously because: a. they represent what the employer thinks is necessary; and b. if they don't, they risk falling into stereotypes about who is qualified for a job as opposed to making an objective analysis; and c. when they rely on such stereotypes, as opposed to more objective criteria, they run the risk of discrimination claims which even if they can be successfully defended, are an unnecessary distraction. Of course, JFK said that he made RFK the Attorney General of the United States in order to "give him a little experience before he goes out to practice law," so I guess this type of behavior has a long and storied history. All of the reasons to think we’re not hiring Gordie make total sense so we’re almost definitely hiring Gordie.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2019 8:36:24 GMT -5
It seems to me that if they wanted GL (or RP Jr) the College would have written the job description to fit that type of candidate. Additionally, why hire a search firm and pay tens of thousands of dollars if they had a candidate in mind? As ACTP notes, the job requirements disqualify a former athlete with no experience. Employers are advised to treat the requirements listed in the posting seriously because: a. they represent what the employer thinks is necessary; and b. if they don't, they risk falling into stereotypes about who is qualified for a job as opposed to making an objective analysis; and c. when they rely on such stereotypes, as opposed to more objective criteria, they run the risk of discrimination claims which even if they can be successfully defended, are an unnecessary distraction. Of course, JFK said that he made RFK the Attorney General of the United States in order to "give him a little experience before he goes out to practice law," so I guess this type of behavior has a long and storied history. First time I heard that JFK quip. It's a good one. Who actually will make the hiring decision for a new AD? The acting AD would be in a strong position to succeed his boss if NP had left the Department in an upswing instead of a swoon. I hope we get an AD with a winning background.
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Post by joe on Apr 11, 2019 8:50:46 GMT -5
How much are we paying? If we offer a good salary, we'll get someone good. If we offer a great salary, we'll get someone great. If we offer a crummy salary, we'll get someone unaccomplished, who may or may not be willing/confident enough to rock the boat enough to succeed, and we'll all spend the next 5 years trying to convince ourselves he or she isn't doing that bad of a job.
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Post by crusader12 on Apr 11, 2019 9:51:44 GMT -5
GL would be an unbelievable hire for HC. I fear as long as the current BoT and Fr. B is in place, the department could be handcuffed. We need a full scale slate cleaning at the top to move forward IMO.
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Post by Ignutz on Apr 11, 2019 10:33:49 GMT -5
GL would be an unbelievable hire for HC. I fear as long as the current BoT and Fr. B is in place, the department could be handcuffed. We need a full scale slate cleaning at the top to move forward IMO. While I fully respect GL's accomplishments as a student-athlete, and understand from those who know him that he's a terrific person, I am at a loss to understand the excitement about his (potential) candidacy, and people's expectation that he would be a home run hire. From what I can see, he meets virtually none of the posted requirements of the position.
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Post by gks on Apr 11, 2019 10:36:40 GMT -5
Job descriptions are ridiculous....let's see...
-All American athlete -Alumni -Success in Business -Outstanding citizen -Respected by all -Well known in New England and beyond.
Sold.
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Post by lou on Apr 11, 2019 10:39:58 GMT -5
Are you so certain he wants the job?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 11, 2019 10:53:12 GMT -5
GL would be an unbelievable hire for HC. I fear as long as the current BoT and Fr. B is in place, the department could be handcuffed. We need a full scale slate cleaning at the top to move forward IMO. While I fully respect GL's accomplishments as a student-athlete, and understand from those who know him that he's a terrific person, I am at a loss to understand the excitement about his (potential) candidacy, and people's expectation that he would be a home run hire. From what I can see, he meets virtually none of the posted requirements of the position. Give me a guy like Gordie who actually understands sports, coaching, people, etc. any day of the week over a schmuck like Pine who doesn't really know anything about sports, coaching, etc. and is only in the role because he's a slick networker (not to mention will have one foot out the door from the day they are hired). The idea that this is some type of impossible job that "industry guys" like Pine can supposedly figure out but smart, successful people like Gordie can't is just ridiculous.
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Post by JRGNYR on Apr 11, 2019 11:22:33 GMT -5
In the "old days," you'd see a lot of former coaches or even media relations people become ADs because, namely, their ability to communicate. That was before athletics became the business it is today, and the AD hiring trend has caught up. Now ADs usually have an MBA or some extensive experience in fundraising (a lot of times, they have both), because the name of the game is raising as much money as possible and finding ways to limit expenses where you can.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 11, 2019 11:47:09 GMT -5
To me the AD job boils down to 3 things - in no particular order
1. Fund Raising 2. Business Management 3. People Management - which includes the ability to recognize and hire the right people to do the job. Add it can be resonably argued that the other 2 flow from people management.
I tend to be with BBC on this that there is little about the setting being college athletics that REQUIES you to have specific background in the "industry" to be a successful AD. If you're an excellent manager, you can acquire the technical skills to be an AD pretty quickly and be an excellent AD.
Other than one VERY brief encounter back in the day, I don't know Gordie from a hole in the wall. I don't know how much people managing he's done in his career, but if - and that's a huge IF in my view - he's interested, he seems to have been quite successful in business and it would be worth exploring his transferable skills because he seems to have a bunch of intangibles to bring to the job that you can't put in a job description.
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Post by alum on Apr 11, 2019 12:05:18 GMT -5
According to the website, Gordie is a vice president and a principal in the Sullivan Group which I am sure many know is a Worcester based insurance agency founded and staffed by a lot of Holy Cross athletes. Looking at the biographies, it would appear that Gordie sells insurance. I imagine that he does it well but really have no way of knowing. He does not appear to be involved in the day to day management of the firm. On the other hand, if you want a former HC athlete who had as much or more professional success as Gordie, is the CEO of the Sullivan Group, has been the chairman of the Board of Trustees of a major Worcester institution, has been a very successful high school coach, has a Harvard business degree and a Clark MBA,and is from a devoted HC family, you would hire John Andreoli '82. He would be a better candidate but nobody is suggesting his name because, well, I have no idea why. I am not suggesting that I want John to be the AD, and he probably wouldn't want the job either, but for the life of me, I don't get this Gordie fascination. www.sullivangroup.com/about.html
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2019 12:07:25 GMT -5
I would be in favor of a Gordie hire over the generic/unknown athletic administrator candidate.
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Post by hc811215 on Apr 11, 2019 12:48:47 GMT -5
I, for one, would not be surprised if the next AD is a woman. We've never had a woman AD and the issue of women in leadership positions in sports is being pushed right now nationally (see viral press conference by ND women's basketball coach). Something like 12% of D-1 ADs and 30% of D-3 ADs are women. 2 of the top 25 D-1 football programs this year (Washington and Penn State) have women ADs. Closer to home, Colgate and Loyola in PL, as well as Princeton, Yale, Monmouth and Hartford all have women ADs. I have no idea whether it will happen but would be shocked if no women were interviewed for the job.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2019 13:19:48 GMT -5
I hope we hire the best available candidate regardless of race, color, creed or gender.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2019 13:31:46 GMT -5
I would have no problem with a woman AD. This season we were tenth and ninth in Men's Basketball and Men's Hockey in leagues we should be competitive in. Both programs have coaches with one or more years of guaranteed contracts left. I would like to see an AD who not only has the skill to just write one or two large checks and instantly change the programs but also the knowledge and courage to do other things short of eating hundreds of thousands of dollars to improve the programs. A woman could have just as much ability as a man to make changes that are not typical and not generally welcomed by head coaches, but would be an honest attempt to correct things that aren't working now.
I do not know if a head coach contract includes certain rights to make decisions inside the program or not, but when you are at or near the bottom of your conference you should be a good candidate for supervision and guidance but the Supervisor must have the skill to see what is not working and the courage to rock the boat to change things. And again, I am cheap so I personally would like someone who can make improvements without just throwing a fortune at it, as one option instead of an AD who doesn't have the knowledge so he/she only has the large check or do nothing as options.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 11, 2019 13:31:52 GMT -5
In the "old days," you'd see a lot of former coaches or even media relations people become ADs because, namely, their ability to communicate. That was before athletics became the business it is today, and the AD hiring trend has caught up. Now ADs usually have an MBA or some extensive experience in fundraising (a lot of times, they have both), because the name of the game is raising as much money as possible and finding ways to limit expenses where you can. So a guy like Nate Pine could bring in money from alums, but one of most recognizable names in Holy Cross athletics history (who has also served as the Chair of the Crusader Athletic Fund) would not? That's just silly.
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