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Post by longsuffering on Apr 11, 2019 13:42:52 GMT -5
I hope we hire the best available candidate regardless of race, color, creed or gender. Easiest like I have had on this board.
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Post by crusader12 on Apr 11, 2019 14:02:19 GMT -5
GL would be an unbelievable hire for HC. I fear as long as the current BoT and Fr. B is in place, the department could be handcuffed. We need a full scale slate cleaning at the top to move forward IMO. While I fully respect GL's accomplishments as a student-athlete, and understand from those who know him that he's a terrific person, I am at a loss to understand the excitement about his (potential) candidacy, and people's expectation that he would be a home run hire. From what I can see, he meets virtually none of the posted requirements of the position. The posted requirements from HC are exactly what we don't need IMO. I don't trust this place to make the right hire anyway. Call me a contrarian but it's time to break away from the "mold" that TPTB want.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 11, 2019 14:25:17 GMT -5
Having written more than my share of vacancy announcements and the associated qualifications/selection criteria that would be used in evaluating applicants, one simply doesn't write the criteria in a way that excludes candidates you want applying for the job.
As an example, if HC had required previous Div I head coaching experience for candidates for the head football coach position, BC wouldn't have made the cut.
I would think that if GL had expressed great interest in the AD job, the qualifications would have been written a bit differently.
Looking at the Sullivan Group organization, it is not clear to me that GL has a significant role in managing that organization. GL seems much more directed toward sales and client representation, which he probably excels at.
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Post by Ignutz on Apr 11, 2019 15:29:10 GMT -5
I, for one, would not be surprised if the next AD is a woman. We've never had a woman AD and the issue of women in leadership positions in sports is being pushed right now nationally (see viral press conference by ND women's basketball coach). Something like 12% of D-1 ADs and 30% of D-3 ADs are women. 2 of the top 25 D-1 football programs this year (Washington and Penn State) have women ADs. Closer to home, Colgate and Loyola in PL, as well as Princeton, Yale, Monmouth and Hartford all have women ADs. I have no idea whether it will happen but would be shocked if no women were interviewed for the job. And Jennifer Heppel (in attendance at the Belfast hoop tournament in Nov/Dec '17) is the PL Commissioner since 2015. Prior to joining the PL, she was an associate commish in the Big10.
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Post by deep Purple on Apr 11, 2019 16:37:41 GMT -5
I, for one, would not be surprised if the next AD is a woman. We've never had a woman AD and the issue of women in leadership positions in sports is being pushed right now nationally (see viral press conference by ND women's basketball coach). Something like 12% of D-1 ADs and 30% of D-3 ADs are women. 2 of the top 25 D-1 football programs this year (Washington and Penn State) have women ADs. Closer to home, Colgate and Loyola in PL, as well as Princeton, Yale, Monmouth and Hartford all have women ADs. I have no idea whether it will happen but would be shocked if no women were interviewed for the job. And Jennifer Heppel (in attendance at the Belfast hoop tournament in Nov/Dec '17) is the PL Commissioner since 2015. Prior to joining the PL, she was an associate commish in the Big10. How has she done as PL Commissioner?
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 11, 2019 18:11:37 GMT -5
I, for one, would not be surprised if the next AD is a woman. We've never had a woman AD and the issue of women in leadership positions in sports is being pushed right now nationally (see viral press conference by ND women's basketball coach). Something like 12% of D-1 ADs and 30% of D-3 ADs are women. 2 of the top 25 D-1 football programs this year (Washington and Penn State) have women ADs. Closer to home, Colgate and Loyola in PL, as well as Princeton, Yale, Monmouth and Hartford all have women ADs. I have no idea whether it will happen but would be shocked if no women were interviewed for the job. And Jennifer Heppel (in attendance at the Belfast hoop tournament in Nov/Dec '17) is the PL Commissioner since 2015. Prior to joining the PL, she was an associate commish in the Big10. And Sherryta Freeman, the Lafayette AD who started there in 2018.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 11, 2019 18:51:46 GMT -5
You must have worked with GL at some length to be able to validate his leadership ability, salesmanship, etc.? Can you provide some details of your experiences with him?
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Post by JRGNYR on Apr 11, 2019 19:56:34 GMT -5
In the "old days," you'd see a lot of former coaches or even media relations people become ADs because, namely, their ability to communicate. That was before athletics became the business it is today, and the AD hiring trend has caught up. Now ADs usually have an MBA or some extensive experience in fundraising (a lot of times, they have both), because the name of the game is raising as much money as possible and finding ways to limit expenses where you can. So a guy like Nate Pine could bring in money from alums, but one of most recognizable names in Holy Cross athletics history (who has also served as the Chair of the Crusader Athletic Fund) would not? That's just silly. That's not at all what I'm saying. Was simply providing a little historical context. I'm sure GL would do just fine with fundraising - honestly, he might be the best option in that regard. Whether he can run an athletic department or be a good AD is an entirely different discussion. Clearly he's been a successful businessman.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 12, 2019 6:05:28 GMT -5
And Jennifer Heppel (in attendance at the Belfast hoop tournament in Nov/Dec '17) is the PL Commissioner since 2015. Prior to joining the PL, she was an associate commish in the Big10. And Sherryta Freeman, the Lafayette AD who started there in 2018. The former Colgate AD, Victoria Chun, is now the AD at Yale. Yale's effusive gushing about her years at Colgate can be read here. news.yale.edu/2018/02/01/yale-names-victoria-chun-new-director-athleticsBut for a fuller perspective of Chun, read Colgate's paean when she was elevated from AD to vice president of the university. This covers her academic, athletic, coaching, and athletic dept administration career at Colgate. gocolgateraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=5
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Post by gks on Apr 12, 2019 6:39:02 GMT -5
You want someone to give the athletic department a kick in the can...Gordie's the guy. You want people in Central Mass to put their attention back on HC athletics....Gordie's the guy.
Can you imagine him watching in the stands for the past 20 years?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 12, 2019 7:30:45 GMT -5
For those not familiar enough with Gordie, you may want to read Wally Carew's A Farewell to Glory about the HC/BC football rivalry. Check out pp. 231-237 "Gordie Lockbaum: The stuff that legends are made of"
BTW: The entire book is, IMHO, a must read for anyone interested in HC football. Even though I am a former sports writer and co-spots editor, I learned something new in almost every chapter. I wonder if our current coaches have read this work?
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Post by purple1 on Apr 12, 2019 7:38:05 GMT -5
I agree 100% that Gordie would be the choice for the AD position !! No need for a nationwide search......save the money - he is right here !
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Post by Sader Fan on Apr 12, 2019 7:47:00 GMT -5
I know Gordy. He helped a start up company I’m with secure insurance which was not an easy task. He’s a fine person, is Very good at what he does and I think he would be a great athletic director. Don’t underestimate the ability to make a sale. His job will be selling Holy Cross to coaching candidates, donors and, athletes. It’s all about getting the right people in the right positions and bringing in the cash to do it. He is well connected to the athletic world and knows HC as well as anyone. He loves the Cross and Worcester and this job would not be a stepping stone to move onto a bigger program. If he is serious about leaving his successful gig at the Sullivan Group I would hire him.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 12, 2019 10:41:49 GMT -5
As I mentioned in another thread and again earlier in this thread, for better or worse, Gordie does not qualify as a candidate based on the the position requirements defined by HC, so time to move on.
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Post by hc87 on Apr 12, 2019 11:44:27 GMT -5
Gordon is definitely in the mix for the HC AD job...all I really know at this juncture.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 12, 2019 12:24:09 GMT -5
Gordon is definitely in the mix for the HC AD job...all I really know at this juncture. There's a lot of information floating around "down by the river." Love the photo on your posts!
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Post by crusader12 on Apr 12, 2019 13:33:13 GMT -5
As I mentioned in another thread and again earlier in this thread, for better or worse, Gordie does not qualify as a candidate based on the the position requirements defined by HC, so time to move on. And that's why HC stinks at all sports. Time to move on from Fr. B and BoT.
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Post by purple1 on Apr 12, 2019 14:40:18 GMT -5
The candidate position requirements by HC - Needs to be flushed down the toilet.......it is easy to use common sense here.
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Post by Dean Wormer on Apr 12, 2019 15:04:39 GMT -5
Moved this here because the topic is not just football related.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 12, 2019 18:42:25 GMT -5
Should administrative experience in athletics be a requirement for the job at HC? It absolutely is. Gone are the day when an AD sat around in the office and checked his upcoming tee times. He/she is the de facto CEO of a $20M enterprise which must raise millions in fundraising, be expected to improve results every year, and try not to be the one in the headlights if a player ends up on the 11 pm news.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 13, 2019 6:28:59 GMT -5
Should administrative experience in athletics be a requirement for the job at HC? It absolutely is. Gone are the day when an AD sat around in the office and checked his upcoming tee times. He/she is the de facto CEO of a $20M enterprise which must raise millions in fundraising, be expected to improve results every year, and try not to be the one in the headlights if a player ends up on the 11 pm news. The last three athletic directors at USC (the LAX USC) were former Trojan football stars > Mike Garrett. from Wiki "After his professional football career, Mike Garrett earned a Juris Doctor from Western State University College of Law in 1986, but never took the bar exam. He was the director of business development for the Great Western Forum, worked in the district attorney's office in San Diego and worked in various management positions. He also did color commentary for USC football telecasts." After USC, he became athletic director at Langston. He is currently executive director of the athletic department at Cal State Los Angeles (which is not UCLA). > Pat Haden, who was a Rhodes Scholar and had experience in private equity. > Lynn Swann, As for Swann, the lead for a recent op ed in the LA Times www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-swann-admissions-corruption-20190313-story.htmlI use USC as an example of a school with am obvious propensity for selecting as athletic director, someone with zero experience in athletics administration. The USC organizational model seemed to be,'the AD is the public face of athletics, the cheerleader, while the back-office, admin stuff is relegated to others.' Look at Garrett's career path, from AD at USC to AD at Langston, a NAIA school, where he lasted two years.
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Post by joe on May 10, 2019 9:49:45 GMT -5
Coming up on 6 months.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 10, 2019 10:09:15 GMT -5
Easy there, Joe. Five months on May 13.
And outside of an internal promotion, any expectations to have a permanent replacement for the head of a $35+ million operation in less than 3 months were unrealistic.
And had they hired anyone not named Lockbaum in February, the cries of incompetence for not looking thoroughly enough, moving too quickly, and incompetence for settling for someone would be deafening.
And we’ll probably still hear the last complaint regardless of who is hired.
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Post by bringbackcaro on May 10, 2019 10:23:35 GMT -5
Easy there, Joe. Five months on May 13. And outside of an internal promotion, any expectations to have a permanent replacement for the head of a $35+ million operation in less than 3 months were unrealistic. And had they hired anyone not named Lockbaum in February, the cries of incompetence for not looking thoroughly enough, moving too quickly, and incompetence for settling for someone would be deafening. And we’ll probably still hear the last complaint regardless of who is hired. You're treating this like it's hiring a someone at some huge corporation in the business world, which it is not. This is an in-demand job (there are very few D1 AD jobs that open up, and a lot of people waiting for the ones that do) and we hired a search firm. Also, the same leadership was at the school 4-5 years ago when Pine was hired. It should have been easy for them to come up with the profile for what they're looking for based on the last search. If you want to talk about people running large college athletics operations, I took a look at the chain of events that led to Jack Swarbrick becoming the AD at Notre Dame: 1) 4/2/08 -- Joe Alleva leaves Duke for LSU job 2) 5/30/09 -- Kevin White leaves Notre Dame for Duke job 3) 7/15/08 -- Jack Swarbrick hired at Notre Dame Duke and Notre Dame each hired ADs to run much larger operations than Holy Cross in less than two months. There is no excuse for HC taking 5+ months to make this hire -- especially considering that they should have known about the possibility of Pine leaving well before the date he was officially hired by Air Force.
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Post by rickii on May 10, 2019 10:25:10 GMT -5
GL would be an unbelievable hire for HC. I fear as long as the current BoT and Fr. B is in place, the department could be handcuffed. We need a full scale slate cleaning at the top to move forward IMO. While I fully respect GL's accomplishments as a student-athlete, and understand from those who know him that he's a terrific person, I am at a loss to understand the excitement about his (potential) candidacy, and people's expectation that he would be a home run hire. From what I can see, he meets virtually none of the posted requirements of the position. +1
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