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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 12, 2019 11:01:18 GMT -5
Putting Gordie Lockbaum aside for a moment since we don't know if he's interested and don't know if the job description eliminates him from the college's perspective. I have no idea if this person is interested and granted there is more to know with respect to accomplishments in the recent positions but ... ... on a quick glance, if this resume is in the mix and you're on the AD search committee, would you want to interview this candidate? Poll will lock on Monday at 8:00 AM at which point I will reveal who it is. - Holy Cross graduate
- Four Year varsity athlete
- Top 10 in several single season and career stat categories. Holds one HC single season record.
- Member of the Holy Cross Hall of Fame
- Played professionally for 2 years after graduation
- Assistant coach in the Ivy League (2 years); Atlantic 10 (2 years); Big East (2 years)
- Head Coach Division III Liberal Arts College (6 years with a roughly 0.450 win percentage)
- Became Assistant Director of Athletics at a new school, Div III (9 years)
- Promoted to Associate Director of Athletics same Division III school (3 years)
- Became Director of Athletics at new school, Div III (3.5 years and counting)
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Post by alum on Apr 12, 2019 11:36:14 GMT -5
How could you not interview this person? I am trying to figure out who it would be. This may drive me batty for a while.
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Post by gks on Apr 12, 2019 11:42:38 GMT -5
Of course. I do think some experience outside athletics (business world, etc) is beneficial too.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 12, 2019 12:39:43 GMT -5
I voted No because I believe I identified this candidate.
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Post by gks on Apr 12, 2019 12:44:16 GMT -5
If you vote no for these credentials then something is being left out.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 12, 2019 13:21:54 GMT -5
I think the blindness would be a drawback--could not evaluate coaches tactical moves
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Post by hchoops on Apr 12, 2019 14:24:22 GMT -5
Isn’t justice blind ?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 12, 2019 14:26:28 GMT -5
Voted no because it sounds like this individual played a "minor" sport and D3 is very different than D1.
We need someone who can get Men's Basketball straightened out and support Chesney to maximize his time at Holy Cross. The two characteristics referenced above wouldn't make me confident that this individual would (1) prioritize these items and (2) be successful at actually carrying the tasks out.
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Post by Dean Wormer on Apr 12, 2019 14:42:18 GMT -5
Besides football and men's basketball, what do you consider the other "non-minor" sports?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 12, 2019 14:43:03 GMT -5
Voted no because it sounds like this individual played a "minor" sport and D3 is very different than D1. We need someone who can get Men's Basketball straightened out and support Chesney to maximize his time at Holy Cross. The two characteristics referenced above wouldn't make me confident that this individual would (1) prioritize these items and (2) be successful at actually carrying the tasks out. Before we do name the new AD, can you tell us if there is anyone alive that would meet with your approval?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 12, 2019 15:30:12 GMT -5
Besides football and men's basketball, what do you consider the other "non-minor" sports? Not a very Dean-like post.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 12, 2019 15:35:41 GMT -5
Voted no because it sounds like this individual played a "minor" sport and D3 is very different than D1. We need someone who can get Men's Basketball straightened out and support Chesney to maximize his time at Holy Cross. The two characteristics referenced above wouldn't make me confident that this individual would (1) prioritize these items and (2) be successful at actually carrying the tasks out. Before we do name the new AD, can you tell us if there is anyone alive that would meet with your approval? I have yet to see a list of candidates, so it's tough for me to put together an exhaustive response, but Gordie would be an excellent hire. I also find it humorous that you portray me as having outrageously high expectations because I wasn't satisfied with a carpet bagger AD who gave us 5 winning seasons over 4.5 years, and am not satisfied with a basketball coach who is 58-73 (.443) overall and 28-44 (.389) in the pL.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 12, 2019 15:36:44 GMT -5
Besides football and men's basketball, what do you consider the other "non-minor" sports? Major/Tier 1: MBB, Football Tier 2: Men's Hockey Tier 2.5 WBB Minor/Tier 3: Baseball, M+W Lacrosse, M+W Soccer, Field Hockey Minor/Tier 3.5: Everything else
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 12, 2019 15:41:37 GMT -5
Voted no because it sounds like this individual played a "minor" sport and D3 is very different than D1. Don't see what the harm would be in at least interviewing the candidate though.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 12, 2019 15:49:12 GMT -5
Voted no because it sounds like this individual played a "minor" sport and D3 is very different than D1. Don't see what the harm would be in at least interviewing the candidate though. The potential harm: our fearless leader Fr. B (who doesn't know if basketballs are puffed or stuffed) thinks this person is wonderful even if he/she wouldn't actually be a good fit for the job. With the streak he's on right now, I wouldn't want to leave anything up for chance.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 12, 2019 15:59:41 GMT -5
What about a current D3 AD who was a 3-sport athlete at HC and had a brother on the 1980 Miracle on Ice team?
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Post by Dean Wormer on Apr 12, 2019 16:04:22 GMT -5
Besides football and men's basketball, what do you consider the other "non-minor" sports? Not a very Dean-like post. Twas an honest question I had as I was sorting through a huge backlog of work on here I've been pretty derelict in my duties for the past month+.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 12, 2019 16:04:32 GMT -5
Besides football and men's basketball, what do you consider the other "non-minor" sports? Major/Tier 1: MBB, Football Tier 2: Men's Hockey Tier 2.5 WBB Minor/Tier 3: Baseball, M+W Lacrosse, M+W Soccer, Field Hockey Minor/Tier 3.5: Everything else Ok. One more hint without giving away too much. It was not a Tier 3.5 sport.
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Post by spenser on Apr 12, 2019 16:07:52 GMT -5
I voted yes. To interview. I have some concerns about the D3 piece, but the fact is that this person has been an AD, was a varsity athlete, and is an alum.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 12, 2019 16:31:00 GMT -5
I will say it would be hilarious when this candidate brings back Coach Gibbons the day after being hired.
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 15, 2019 8:08:14 GMT -5
22 votes, I think all of them by Friday evening.
Anyway, I was getting a bit bored with the back and forth about Gordie Lockbaum vs. the young professional corporate type like FADNP as if those are the only choices.
The resume above belongs to Cheryl Aaron, '87 - as several here have figured out. Filling in a few more details ...
Played basketball. Recruited by Togo and played 2 seasons for him and 2 seasons for BG. HC Captain her senior year. 3-time All-MAAC selection. Played in Ireland for 2 years after graduation. Coached 2 years each at Princeton, Fordham (though on further review I think it may have been when Fordham was still in the PL, not A-10) and BC. Head coach at Wheaton College Assistant AD promoted to Associate AD at UMass Boston AD at Wentworth sine November 2015.
I guess my intent in this exercise - and HC92's suggestion of Vinnie Eruzione falls in this category too - is that there are candidates out there who do not be immediately come to mind but are qualified to be an AD at HC and are worth considering and talking to - even if they don't have the HC connection in their resume.
PS - edited the thread title to clarify for KY that the resume was blind, not the AD. 😉
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 15, 2019 10:21:18 GMT -5
IMO, Gordie's insurance business is closer to being the AD at Holy Cross than being an Associate AD at UMASS Boston & AD at Wentworth.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 15, 2019 13:47:08 GMT -5
IMO, Gordie's insurance business is closer to being the AD at Holy Cross than being an Associate AD at UMASS Boston & AD at Wentworth. Wow--that's quite a statement--would love to hear your thinking on this.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 15, 2019 14:32:00 GMT -5
IMO, Gordie's insurance business is closer to being the AD at Holy Cross than being an Associate AD at UMASS Boston & AD at Wentworth. Wow--that's quite a statement--would love to hear your thinking on this. From a fundraising perspective (which I'm hearing is now the most important part of being an AD these days), the business conversations that a guy like Gordie is having are a lot closer to the discussions that he'll be having with HC alums than any type of fundraising that may be occurring at Wentworth or UMASS Boston. I don't know if this is the total annual fundraising or just some specific campaign, but the attached shows a total of $16,231 raised from 158 donors, without any sport coming close to reaching its goal. alumni.wit.edu/s/1607/bp-crowd/home.aspx?sid=1607&gid=1&pgid=1099By comparison, during only the giving day challenge this winter, HC athletics raised $237,094 from 2,000+ donors. goholycross.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211789236IMO, Gordie is managing a business on a scale that is closer to HC athletics than what the Wentworth AD is managing there. Wentworth athletics vs HC athletics is comparing apples to tractor trailer trucks, especially for our major sports, one of which (Football) doesn't even exist at Wentworth.
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Post by alum on Apr 16, 2019 7:26:54 GMT -5
Wow--that's quite a statement--would love to hear your thinking on this. From a fundraising perspective (which I'm hearing is now the most important part of being an AD these days), the business conversations that a guy like Gordie is having are a lot closer to the discussions that he'll be having with HC alums than any type of fundraising that may be occurring at Wentworth or UMASS Boston. I don't know if this is the total annual fundraising or just some specific campaign, but the attached shows a total of $16,231 raised from 158 donors, without any sport coming close to reaching its goal. alumni.wit.edu/s/1607/bp-crowd/home.aspx?sid=1607&gid=1&pgid=1099By comparison, during only the giving day challenge this winter, HC athletics raised $237,094 from 2,000+ donors. goholycross.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=33100&ATCLID=211789236IMO, Gordie is managing a business on a scale that is closer to HC athletics than what the Wentworth AD is managing there.Wentworth athletics vs HC athletics is comparing apples to tractor trailer trucks, especially for our major sports, one of which (Football) doesn't even exist at Wentworth. I would certainly bring Aaron (and Eruzione) in for interviews if they are interested and would consult with them about the hire if they are not. I would prefer someone with experience in a D1 program but would want to talk to them and make a judgment. That said, I don't know how you can argue that "Gordie is managing a business on a scale that is closer to HC athletics than what the Wentworth AD is managing there." His bio on the Sullivan Group site makes no mention of any managerial role at all. It would appear that he sells himself and his firm as capable of coming up with solutions for clients with insurance needs. To use your analogy, comparing being one of several partners of a local insurance agency to running a college athletic department is like comparing apples to tractor-trailer trucks. If you told me you wanted Gordie as a Bobby V type AD and wanted to hire a professional behind him to make the trains run on time, I can at least understand that argument.
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