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Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2019 10:33:49 GMT -5
Well this could get entertaining. I was always impressed that Wilt Chamberlain slept with 10,000 different women. Not so much the sheer magnitude of one a day for a quarter of a century, but the memory required to confirm your 10,000. I'm not in this category, but I just can't picture myself with liaison number 8, 483 saying "Hey, aren't you number 471? You're a repeat. This doesn't count" |
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 16, 2019 10:47:49 GMT -5
lol for a group of guys who immediately come to the defense of anyone who is within inches of being "bashed," I'm kind of surprised at the moral pulpit on display in this thread, disparaging Tiger, saying that you can't stand him, and don't understand his appeal. Was Tiger a #@*&$~!ty person? Maybe... possibly... probably... but in a sport with no "teams" and participants that the whole country could, and does get behind, Tiger's universal appeal at his height was unparalleled, unquestioned, and unmatched since. That's why there was all the hype this weekend. No other sport can drum up an athlete that can get universal appeal except for maybe boxing/MMA/pro wrestling at this point. Bird? Ask a Lakers fan. Magic? Ask a Celtics fan. Jordan? Ask a Knicks fan. Mike Trout? Largely in west coast TV purgatory despite being a "good" and "quiet" guy, and an all-time great. And all these heroes have had their share of personal issues too. Don't look for saints in pro sports. Amen. That was amazing theater on Sunday, and I was locked to the TV for 4+ hours in a way that now other golfer could cause. Give me Tiger chasing down and holding off Koepka and Molinari (two excellent competitors) any day of the week over the "pure" young guys like Spieth, Fowler, Thomas, etc. who are more concerned with their brand and being buddy-buddy with each other than actually competing. Tiger in front of a New York crowd at Bethpage in the PGA Championship should also be a great watch next month. |
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Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2019 11:15:13 GMT -5
lol for a group of guys who immediately come to the defense of anyone who is within inches of being "bashed," I'm kind of surprised at the moral pulpit on display in this thread, disparaging Tiger, saying that you can't stand him, and don't understand his appeal. Was Tiger a #@*&$~!ty person? Maybe... possibly... probably... but in a sport with no "teams" and participants that the whole country could, and does get behind, Tiger's universal appeal at his height was unparalleled, unquestioned, and unmatched since. That's why there was all the hype this weekend. No other sport can drum up an athlete that can get universal appeal except for maybe boxing/MMA/pro wrestling at this point. Bird? Ask a Lakers fan. Magic? Ask a Celtics fan. Jordan? Ask a Knicks fan. Mike Trout? Largely in west coast TV purgatory despite being a "good" and "quiet" guy, and an all-time great. And all these heroes have had their share of personal issues too. Don't look for saints in pro sports. Amen. That was amazing theater on Sunday, and I was locked to the TV for 4+ hours in a way that now other golfer could cause. Give me Tiger chasing down and holding off Koepka and Molinari (two excellent competitors) any day of the week over the "pure" young guys like Spieth, Fowler, Thomas, etc. who are more concerned with their brand and being buddy-buddy with each other than actually competing. Tiger in front of a New York crowd at Bethpage in the PGA Championship should also be a great watch next month. When you're in your 40's, major championships are hard to come by. Having won at both Bethpage and Pebble Beach, Tiger might benefit from the schedule this year |
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Post by res on Apr 22, 2019 9:44:34 GMT -5
I've always found Tiger the person unlikable and that goes back long before his public denouement. Now, with that being said, I find Tiger the golfer absolutely compelling when he's on the course. If he's playing, I watch. If he's in contention, I'm dialed in. I can't always separate the art from the artist, but in this case I have no problem doing so.
In many ways, I liken Tiger to Michael Jordan. I found Jordan very, very unlikable. I'm not equating their off the "field" endeavors or making comparisons of personal morality, I'm just saying that Jordan was no warm and welcoming personality. I'm not sure many in his legion of fans would disagree. But for NBA fans, he was must-see TV. Part of it may very well be the cult of celebrity as a few posters have suggested, but I think more of it just comes down to watching a transcendent competitor compete. "Front-running" fans probably have something to do with it as they do in all sports. I see a lot of Brady jerseys being worn by people who have never been closer to New England than Charlotte.
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Post by alum on May 6, 2019 17:32:41 GMT -5
Tiger just received the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
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Post by longsuffering on May 7, 2019 20:10:45 GMT -5
Freedom from fidelity?
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Post by Tom on May 8, 2019 8:17:44 GMT -5
Tiger just received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. If you want to give out the award to athletes because their on field (course, court, etc) accomplishments transcended the game and made non-fans follow that sport, fine. Tiger is very deserving. His recent Masters win and his dominance earlier in his career captured the imagination of the whole country I think fellow winners from the field of sports like Ali, Clemente, and Jackie Robinson did things other than play a game that made an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors |
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Post by hc87 on May 8, 2019 9:27:37 GMT -5
Golf is very barely a sport imo...more akin bowling or billiards than it is to most other sports played in this country.
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Post by thecrossisback on May 8, 2019 10:08:06 GMT -5
Tiger just received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. If you want to give out the award to athletes because their on field (course, court, etc) accomplishments transcended the game and made non-fans follow that sport, fine. Tiger is very deserving. His recent Masters win and his dominance earlier in his career captured the imagination of the whole country I think fellow winners from the field of sports like Ali, Clemente, and Jackie Robinson did things other than play a game that made an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors What about the Tiger Woods Foundation and all the work he has done getting young kids into golf. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 8, 2019 10:10:47 GMT -5
Golf is very barely a sport imo...more akin bowling or billiards than it is to most other sports played in this country. Tell that to the 25 million Americans who play. And by your measure then so is Tennis. |
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Post by Tom on May 8, 2019 11:04:32 GMT -5
Golf is very barely a sport imo...more akin bowling or billiards than it is to most other sports played in this country. Tell that to the 25 million Americans who play. And by your measure then so is Tennis. I think a lot of this comes down to the ambiguity between "sport" and "game" If you use the level of physical exertion as the difference, golf is kind of borderline. Better than bowling - not as much as tennis On the other hand, golf is in the Olympics |
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Post by purplenurple on May 8, 2019 14:41:05 GMT -5
Tell that to the 25 million Americans who play. And by your measure then so is Tennis. I think a lot of this comes down to the ambiguity between "sport" and "game" If you use the level of physical exertion as the difference, golf is kind of borderline. Better than bowling - not as much as tennis On the other hand, golf is in the Olympics Golf is not even comparable to tennis on a physical exertion level. Think of these sports on their elite levels, not round robins and afternoon nines at the club. In no way is tennis a "game". |
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Post by Tom on May 8, 2019 15:11:00 GMT -5
I think a lot of this comes down to the ambiguity between "sport" and "game" If you use the level of physical exertion as the difference, golf is kind of borderline. Better than bowling - not as much as tennis On the other hand, golf is in the Olympics Gold is not even comparable to tennis on a physical exertion level. Think of these sports on their elite levels, not round robins and afternoon nines at the club. In no way is tennis a "game". I didn't say it was. I just said that golf required less physical exertion than tennis |
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Post by hc87 on May 9, 2019 13:37:31 GMT -5
No offense to other hackers like myself or very good players out there...just love to bust my golfing friends and fans out there.
It does take extraordinary skill both mentally and 'muscle memory/touch' to be a very good golf player but as others have noted, it doesn't take anywhere near the physical exertion one needs (including tennis) that most sports require.
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Post by lou on May 9, 2019 13:54:34 GMT -5
Maybe not, but walking for four hours or so can be a pretty good workout
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on May 9, 2019 19:24:59 GMT -5
Maybe not, but walking for four hours or so can be a pretty good workout Exactly lou. Those who think golf doesn't give you a workout have never hoofed the 4 miles of a 7,000 yd course on a 85 degree day. They're the ones who probably take a cart for 9 on a pitch & putt. |
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Post by Tom on May 10, 2019 7:57:06 GMT -5
Maybe not, but walking for four hours or so can be a pretty good workout Exactly lou. Those who think golf doesn't give you a workout have never hoofed the 4 miles of a 7,000 yd course on a 85 degree day. They're the ones who probably take a cart for 9 on a pitch & putt. Basing yardage walked on the card assumes you're hitting the ball straight  |
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Post by hc87 on May 10, 2019 8:51:55 GMT -5
Walking 7,000 yards on a course is a decent workout (or a "good walk spoiled" if you prefer) but it hardly compares to the physical exertion one needs to compete in most sports.
Back to Tiger, though it makes for a "great story" his "comeback" is largely over-hyped (shockah) imo. Many tend to forget that he was the #1 PGA Tour's $$$ winnah in 2013, 4 years after his "fall from grace." He also nearly won 2 Majors last year...it's not like he came back from years in exile at a Tibetan monastery to win at Augusta last month. Yes, to his credit, he has overcome physical ailments (though some would say they may have been somewhat self-induced due to steroid and other drug abuse over the years) to return to the top of the golfing world but it's more of a "Return of the Prodigal Son" story moreso than an "overcoming all odds to return to glory" story.
He has done a lot for golf ovah the last 25 or so years, just not sure he has done that much for society to warrant being honored as he has been by the White House and others.
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Post by dadominate on May 11, 2019 12:50:26 GMT -5
Walking 7,000 yards on a course is a decent workout (or a "good walk spoiled" if you prefer) but it hardly compares to the physical exertion one needs to compete in most sports. Back to Tiger, though it makes for a "great story" his "comeback" is largely over-hyped (shockah) imo. Many tend to forget that he was the #1 PGA Tour's $$$ winnah in 2013, 4 years after his "fall from grace." He also nearly won 2 Majors last year...it's not like he came back from years in exile at a Tibetan monastery to win at Augusta last month. Yes, to his credit, he has overcome physical ailments (though some would say they may have been somewhat self-induced due to steroid and other drug abuse over the years) to return to the top of the golfing world but it's more of a "Return of the Prodigal Son" story moreso than an "overcoming all odds to return to glory" story. He has done a lot for golf ovah the last 25 or so years, just not sure he has done that much for society to warrant being honored as he has been by the White House and others. well said across the board, hc87. |
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