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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 29, 2019 9:04:52 GMT -5
A note from Father B to President’s Council members provided some data on the incoming class. I think some of the info is new so I’ve started this new thread
7,198 applications up 2% from LY
2400 admitted down 243 from LY
ED apps up 6%
ED admits =45% of incoming class
820 to 825 expected to matriculate versus 815 goal
54% female
27% ALANA
18% first generation college
39 international
32 from CA vs 24 LY
39 from IL vs 25
12 from MN vs 4
7 from PR vs 1
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Post by hchoops on May 29, 2019 9:21:15 GMT -5
Thanks, ky
Is there an indication how that acceptance rate and commit rate compares to previous years and our competitor schools ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 29, 2019 10:20:55 GMT -5
Thanks, ky Is there an indication how that acceptance rate and commit rate compares to previous years and our competitor schools ? Extrapolating from the numbers provided I calculate that the acceptance rate last year was 37.5% and this year was 33.3%. I don’t know how many students entered in last year’s class so we don’t know last year’s yield . This year’s yield looks to be 34% and I’ll guess that is an improvement over last year. I don’t have data at hand for competitor schools but I’ll bet Pak Phreek can answer all questions existing or anticipated. |
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Post by alum on May 29, 2019 10:51:39 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on May 29, 2019 10:54:14 GMT -5
Positive momentum for HC.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 29, 2019 11:59:41 GMT -5
alum is quicker than I.
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Finally, a bit of recruitment progress in California, but it is a slow march.
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Googled for how many high school graduates there are annually in California, and readily found a number for public schools only: 430,000.
And for those interested in changing demographics, percentage of 6.22 million, California public school students (all grades) by race/ethnicity:
Black, non-Hispanic 5.5%
American Indian 0.5%
Asian 9.2%
Filipino 2.4%
Hispanic/Latino 54.3%
Pacific Islander 0.5%
White, non-Hispanic 23.2%
Two or more races, non-Hispanic 3.5%
None-reported 0.9%
Texas is about 53 percent Hispanic, 28 percent white, 12.5 percent black.
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Post by longsuffering on May 29, 2019 13:11:12 GMT -5
I have relatives who sent their daughter to 13 years of Catholic School (including Kindergarten) at the Parish/School complex a mile from their house in the Bay Area. The student needed some extra services that would have been covered by special-ed in the public schools but they private paid for that, too. The motivation was not racism (father an HC grad) but a marked difference in quality of education between the public school and the Catholic one. They decided to forgo other things to provide the best education they could for their child and it worked out well.
Mass. has been number one in public education for a while now and many other Northeast States are close behind but that isn't necessarily the case elsewhere. That puts extra pressure on Mass. Catholic schools because they are competing with (overall) the best public schools in the country.
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Post by flutiewasrejected on May 29, 2019 14:32:27 GMT -5
I take this as overwhelmingly positive news no? Our acceptance rate was in the "danger zone" of becoming Catholic peer-to-peer's with the PC's, Fairfield's, etc as opposed to the Notre Dame's, Georgetown's, and BC's...
Solid numbers.
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Post by hcpride on May 29, 2019 14:50:23 GMT -5
/\ /\ Those numbers sound good and your point reference PC is on target IMHO. Once the CDS comes out we can see if our enrolled student academic quality remains in that Northeast Catholic school sweet spot (along with Fordham) between Villanova/BC and Providence College.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 29, 2019 17:07:12 GMT -5
Providence and Fordham reside in a different sweet spot that HC... From 2017-18 CDS
Providence
Applications: 11215
Admitted: 5797 51.6%
Enrolled: 1163 20%
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Fordham
45147
20966 46.4%
2269 10.8%
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Post by hcpride on May 29, 2019 17:12:15 GMT -5
Providence and Fordham reside in a different sweet spot that HC... From 2017-18 CDS Providence Applications: 11215 Admitted: 5797 51.6% Enrolled: 1163 20% ____________________ Fordham 45147 20966 46.4% 2269 10.8% No. Take another look at my quote PP: "Those numbers sound good and your point reference PC is on target IMHO. Once the CDS comes out we can see if our enrolled student academic quality remains in that Northeast Catholic school sweet spot (along with Fordham) between Villanova/BC and Providence College."Note, you can take a quick stab at relative academic quality of enrolled students once the new CDS comes out by quickly eyeballing composite ACT average of enrolled students. (And it is little more than a quick stab considering test-score-optional at HC and PC, SAT v ACT, and a trillion other factors. ) For example: Last year's data (2018-2019 - Fall 2018 admissions): BC 32.5 (Assume this is their enrolled as their 'fact book' is not entirely clear), Villanova 31.5, Holy Cross 30.0, Fordham 29.0, Providence College 28.0 |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 29, 2019 18:28:09 GMT -5
As discussed as nauseam: virtually all schools lie on their data reporting
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Post by crossbball13 on May 29, 2019 19:01:48 GMT -5
868 kids is preposterously high for hc. Don’t know how they are housing this class. |
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Post by matunuck on May 29, 2019 19:24:27 GMT -5
PC and Fairfield have far smaller endowments than HC, and Fordham, with over three times as many undergrads, also has a smaller endowment. This could cause them significant headaches in the next economic downturn.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 29, 2019 20:35:24 GMT -5
How difficult must it be for Fordham's admissions department with a yield of 11%!
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2019 6:18:36 GMT -5
How difficult must it be for Fordham's admissions department with a yield of 11%! I think that whether the yield is 80ish like MIT or 50ish like Georgetown or some other number the key is that admissions has a good handle on the number. A new trend or change means more kids packed into the dorms or a bigger dip into the waitlist. (Filling a high percentage of seats via ED - not the case for Georgetown and MIT of course - can really impact yield statistics but that is another story.)
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Post by alum on May 30, 2019 7:44:07 GMT -5
How difficult must it be for Fordham's admissions department with a yield of 11%! They can probably handle it because they were wise enough to hire an HC grad to run the show.  |
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Post by HC1843 on May 30, 2019 9:54:20 GMT -5
/\ /\ Those numbers sound good and your point reference PC is on target IMHO. Once the CDS comes out we can see if our enrolled student academic quality remains in that Northeast Catholic school sweet spot (along with Fordham) between Villanova/BC and Providence College. In what world is it ok for us to say we are in a sweet spot below Nova and BC!? That we have let Nova move past us reflects incompetency, not success. Cheers. |
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Post by sader1970 on May 30, 2019 10:22:08 GMT -5
Neat trick to be able to have a post simultaneously offending both Holy Cross grads and BC grads.
1. that HC is beneath Villanova (we've heard this many times before from this poster)
2. that Villanova is not only above HC but the equal to BC. Pretty sure any Eagle would strongly debate that point
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2019 10:30:35 GMT -5
/\ At least one poster is easily triggered by mention of Villanova.
And even ascribes such sensitivity to BC alums.
Can 't imagine a BC alum (or even a HC alum) would be offended (or even surprised) by the data in my post:
"For example: Last year's data (2018-2019 - Fall 2018 admissions): BC 32.5 (Assume this is their enrolled as their 'fact book' is not entirely clear), Villanova 31.5, Holy Cross 30.0, Fordham 29.0, Providence College 28.0 "
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2019 11:42:20 GMT -5
/\ You really think Villanova folks should be offended that their admitted students board scores are lower than BC's at this point? Or Villanova's are higher than HC's? Or HC's lower than BC's? Or all three lower than MIT's? It is just data and should not be taken personally.
One may not like it for one reason or another (but that is another story) or decide to p retend it is a general judgment of one school as above or beneath another (but that, too, is another issue altogether.) |
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2019 12:45:14 GMT -5
/\ I thought you were agreeing with another poster who was offended by the data I posted (and who was sure BC alums would be offended too).
"For example: Last year's data (2018-2019 - Fall 2018 admissions): BC 32.5 (Assume this is their enrolled as their 'fact book' is not entirely clear), Villanova 31.5, Holy Cross 30.0, Fordham 29.0, Providence College 28.0 "
You may have to read the above posts...
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Post by longsuffering on May 30, 2019 12:57:41 GMT -5
Should we be gracious and stop boycotting playing Villanova in BB and FB due to their lowly status?  |
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Post by hcpride on May 30, 2019 14:19:12 GMT -5
Perhaps offer them a hoops game to prove themselves worthy of taking us on. We've got to be kind to those lesser programs to give them a chance to develop. |
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Post by purplehaze on May 30, 2019 16:02:01 GMT -5
Just a single example from this spring - my daughter applied to the schools we're talking about - she was rejected by BC, admitted to Villanova (off wait list) and accepted at HC and the other Patriot schools she applied to. Interesting experience indeed.
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