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Post by purplehaze on Jun 12, 2019 12:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 12, 2019 14:57:07 GMT -5
something doesn't add up.... Naval Academy commission is a 5 years of active duty commitment; he probably has a date at the end of the summer to report for flight training* and is using leave time to report to Red Sox. A Naval Aviator's commitment is 5 years beginning after getting his/her wings which usually takes 12/18 months. A Naval Flight Office, e.g. navigator, usually gets his/her wings in less time than a pilot.
*All the scholarship NROTC Ensigns have the same 5 year commitment. [3 years for non scholarship Ensigns]. Holy Cross has 3 Ensigns going "Naval Aviation" i.e. flight school. They are on active duty reporting to the NROTC Unit; all have reporting dates in late summer or the fall. They are free to take leave up to 30 days paid leave but will probably save some or all of it to take later.
All of the 22 [13 HC] commissioned and on active duty last month are awaiting detachment at various times starting next month; includes the Marines, SWOs, Subs & SEALs. I am not sure if their training extends the commitment like the aviators.
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Post by purplehaze on Jun 12, 2019 16:22:34 GMT -5
The rather lengthy article explains that he reports for active duty Nov 1st and after two years the Navy can consider making accommodations for him to play professional baseball and serve out his obligation. This practice has been in effect for a few years now - imo, it's another reason the academies are recruiting at a high level in most sports and are tough to beat in the PL.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 13, 2019 6:01:45 GMT -5
Separate rules for athletes? Imagine that!
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Post by JRGNYR on Jun 13, 2019 8:49:30 GMT -5
I can't remember where I read it, but I think relative to another athlete (might've been at Navy, could've been at Army) that part of the deal involving the flexibility to pursue the dream of being a pro athlete was a requirement to serve an extended period in the reserves... I want to say it was a minimum of 7 years. I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it, but I don't think it's a bad thing for the academies to do. They realize they need to do some things to remain competitive to attract student-athletes. This isn't a matter of being more competitive with the rest of the league - it has way more to do with them being competitive at the D1 level.
It's also a great marketing tool for the academies.
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Post by alum on Jun 13, 2019 9:23:43 GMT -5
Joe Cardona of the Patriots is a 2015 USNA grad. He was released from active duty obligation and serves in the Reserve. He was just promoted to lieutenant this week.
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Post by bison137 on Jun 13, 2019 9:44:37 GMT -5
The rather lengthy article explains that he reports for active duty Nov 1st and after two years the Navy can consider making accommodations for him to play professional baseball and serve out his obligation. This practice has been in effect for a few years now - imo, it's another reason the academies are recruiting at a high level in most sports and are tough to beat in the PL. Navy for a while actually had a provision that athletes who signed pro contracts could immediately begin to play professionally, while only putting in some service time in the offseason. Army objected vociferously, and even many Navy grads thought this was wrong. It led to the Department of Defense intervening to force a policy where at least some service time was required. |
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Post by hchoops on Jun 13, 2019 11:27:08 GMT -5
David Robinson served 2 years before starting play with the Spurs
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 13, 2019 13:16:29 GMT -5
I think Roger Staubach served for more years than that—-back when there was no accommodation for athletes
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Post by hcross22 on Jun 13, 2019 13:32:26 GMT -5
Song isn't going to flight school. Flight officer school....he's too tall to be a pilot.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 13, 2019 14:13:43 GMT -5
You would have thought by now that they'd make the cockpits just a wee bit bigger. Come on. How many millions of dollars would it add to the cost of a multi-million dollar jet? Couldn't be more than $2-3 million.
My recollection may be wrong but pretty sure that in the 60's, Army could have no player taller than 6'5" allegedly because they didn't/wouldn't make uniforms to fit anyone taller and that limited the height of the West Point - now "Army West Point" - team. I've posted before how I watched a scrimmage in the now razed fieldhouse with Bobby Knight coached West Point playing HC with refs and a clock. Supposedly "game conditions" which didn't inhibit Knight from running out onto the court with the ball in play (not calling time out) and grabbing his guys and screaming at them that they were in the wrong position on the court. The refs and our players were non-plussed while the poor cadets kind of gave looks like, "see what we have to put up with?" Knight was frustrated as heck didn't seem to care that we had 6'9" Tex, 6'7" Siudut and just generally taller and better players than he could recruit to West Point. I'm sure Donahue had some stories about that but don't recall hearing any at the time.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 13, 2019 14:26:52 GMT -5
He had Bobby Knight stories from Jack’s camp and refs that went well beyond that.
I witnessed Knight’s physical confrontation with Fordham’s then 300 lb coach Ed Conlin after Knight kicked over a water cooler, flooding the Rose Hill Court.during the game.
There are also verified stories of Knight’s physical struggles with Army’s tough guard Bill Schutsky in practices. Knight would then frequently throw him out of practice, but always start him the next game.
(Mike Silliman who played for Knight at Army from ‘64-‘66 was 6’6”, skilled and tough.)
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Post by bison137 on Jun 13, 2019 14:55:34 GMT -5
The rather lengthy article explains that he reports for active duty Nov 1st and after two years the Navy can consider making accommodations for him to play professional baseball and serve out his obligation. This practice has been in effect for a few years now - imo, it's another reason the academies are recruiting at a high level in most sports and are tough to beat in the PL. Navy for a while actually had a provision that athletes who signed pro contracts could immediately begin to play professionally, while only putting in some service time in the offseason. Army objected vociferously, and even many Navy grads thought this was wrong. It led to the Department of Defense intervening to force a policy where at least some service time was required. Should have mentioned that this policy was in effect for maybe five years until the DOD ended it maybe 7-8 years ago. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 14, 2019 6:12:13 GMT -5
You would have thought by now that they'd make the cockpits just a wee bit bigger. Come on. How many millions of dollars would it add to the cost of a multi-million dollar jet? Couldn't be more than $2-3 million. My recollection may be wrong but pretty sure that in the 60's, Army could have no player taller than 6'5" allegedly because they didn't/wouldn't make uniforms to fit anyone taller and that limited the height of the West Point - now "Army West Point" - team. I've posted before how I watched a scrimmage in the now razed fieldhouse with Bobby Knight coached West Point playing HC with refs and a clock. Supposedly "game conditions" which didn't inhibit Knight from running out onto the court with the ball in play (not calling time out) and grabbing his guys and screaming at them that they were in the wrong position on the court. The refs and our players were non-plussed while the poor cadets kind of gave looks like, "see what we have to put up with?" Knight was frustrated as heck didn't seem to care that we had 6'9" Tex, 6'7" Siudut and just generally taller and better players than he could recruit to West Point. I'm sure Donahue had some stories about that but don't recall hearing any at the time. Perhaps you have heard the one I heard from Jack about the time Knight scheduled a scrimmage against Yeshiva. The Yeshiva coach was reluctant because he said that there was no way his team could match anything the Army players could do. Knight assured him that it would be a "low pressure" learning situation and that he would be most welcome. When Yeshiva arrived, they were greeted by officials and packed stands in the field house with the entire corps of cadets and the Army band in attendance. Knight said that "game conditions" could sharpen his players and would help both teams. About 5 or 6 minutes into the "game" Army was up by about 20 and Knight was screaming at his players (and the refs) constantly. Yeshiva called time out. When the buzzer sounded and Army returned to the court, they looked around and saw that Yeshiva had taken their gear and gone home. Jack said this sort of conduct was not usual for Bobby Knight and visitors needed t be prepared for almost anything - agreement be damned - when they came to the Point.  |
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 14, 2019 8:07:56 GMT -5
David Robinson served 2 years before starting play with the Spurs my understanding is Robinson entered the USNA at 6'6, the max height back then, [it's now 6'8... 6'5 for naval aviation] These requirements are based on the requirements of 2 to 3 years of expected sea duty i.e. live & work aboard ships, subs and aircraft, for the vast majority of Ensigns. hoops back in our day, your 6'7 bball teammate, my NROTC classmate eventually was given a waiver for pilot training. I believe in junior year he maxed the aviation and nautical, spatial perception part of the aviation selection battery test. Thus he projected a high likelihood of completing pilot training and could be assigned to fly land based maritime/ P-3 patrol aircraft which is what he did. Four years later when I was on the NROTC staff, the minimum spatial perception score hovered between 3 & 4 of 5 as the Vietnam war waned. |
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Post by hchoops on Jun 14, 2019 8:32:52 GMT -5
You would have thought by now that they'd make the cockpits just a wee bit bigger. Come on. How many millions of dollars would it add to the cost of a multi-million dollar jet? Couldn't be more than $2-3 million. My recollection may be wrong but pretty sure that in the 60's, Army could have no player taller than 6'5" allegedly because they didn't/wouldn't make uniforms to fit anyone taller and that limited the height of the West Point - now "Army West Point" - team. I've posted before how I watched a scrimmage in the now razed fieldhouse with Bobby Knight coached West Point playing HC with refs and a clock. Supposedly "game conditions" which didn't inhibit Knight from running out onto the court with the ball in play (not calling time out) and grabbing his guys and screaming at them that they were in the wrong position on the court. The refs and our players were non-plussed while the poor cadets kind of gave looks like, "see what we have to put up with?" Knight was frustrated as heck didn't seem to care that we had 6'9" Tex, 6'7" Siudut and just generally taller and better players than he could recruit to West Point. I'm sure Donahue had some stories about that but don't recall hearing any at the time. Perhaps you have hard the one I heard from Jack about the time Knight scheduled a scrimmage against Yeshiva. The Yeshiva coach was reluctant because he said that there was no way his team could match anything the Army players could do. Knight assured him that it would be a "low pressure" learning situation and that he would be most welcome. When Yeshiva arrived, they were greeted by officials and packed stands in the field house with the entire corps of cadets and the Army band in attendance. Knight said that "game conditions" could sharpen his players and would help both teams. About 5 or 6 minutes into the "game" Army was up by about 20 and Knight was screaming at his players (and the refs) constantly. Yeshiva called time out. When the buzzer sounded and Army returned to the court, they looked around and saw that Yeshiva had taken their gear and gone home. Jack said this sort of conduct was not usual for Bobby Knight and visitors needed t be prepared for almost anything - agreement be damned - when they came to the Point. The coach of Yeshiva, Bernie “Red” Sarachek, was a legend in coaching circles and a mentor to Jack D. Joe Lapchik and many others. Jack D was a mentor to Knight. Jack would be very annoyed at Knight for doing this. I watched a Yeshiva team scrimmage against. a NYC D1 team and with the Yeshiva players’ prayer curls, black socks and a variety of sneakers, completely dominate their far athletically superior opponent with text book basketball.at both ends of the court. Sarachek , part time coach, was a great coach that only coaches knew about. |
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Post by hchoops on Jun 14, 2019 9:52:51 GMT -5
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Post by hc6774 on Jun 16, 2019 5:45:41 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Jun 27, 2019 8:09:05 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Jun 27, 2019 10:08:27 GMT -5
David Robinson served 2 years before starting play with the Spurs my understanding is Robinson entered the USNA at 6'6, the max height back then, [it's now 6'8... 6'5 for naval aviation] These requirements are based on the requirements of 2 to 3 years of expected sea duty i.e. live & work aboard ships, subs and aircraft, for the vast majority of Ensigns. hoops back in our day, your 6'7 bball teammate, my NROTC classmate eventually was given a waiver for pilot training. I believe in junior year he maxed the aviation and nautical, spatial perception part of the aviation selection battery test. Thus he projected a high likelihood of completing pilot training and could be assigned to fly land based maritime/ P-3 patrol aircraft which is what he did. Four years later when I was on the NROTC staff, the minimum spatial perception score hovered between 3 & 4 of 5 as the Vietnam war waned. Robinson was 6-7 as a a HS senior - which was within the Navy height rules at that time. Then came a huge growth spurt. His freshman year, in addition to Robinson, Navy had one 6-10 player, one 6-8 player, and three 6-7 players. I'm guessing the height rule at that time for admission was 6-8. Not sure when they changed policy, but Navy now will readily approve height waivers for athletes. They have had numerous players taller than 6-8 as freshmen over the past decade. Army also has had a number of players taller than 6-8, including Kevin Ferguson, who was listed at 6-10 in HS. |
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