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Post by sader1970 on Jun 18, 2019 21:55:29 GMT -5
Nothing personal against any of the assistants but I hope that whoever the new head coach turns out to be that it does NOT come with the requirement that he keep any assistants from the prior regime. Sean Kearney probably would have bombed even if he brought in his own guys in but I said then, and saying now, a new coach should be able to bring in his own people. The issue of past loyalties and possible intransigence to a new system just makes the potential conflicts untenable. If the new coach likes/wants to keep an assistant - one or all - fine because then they are his guys, not the last guy.
And, no, I don't think SK having RW's assistants helped him at all.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 18, 2019 22:01:10 GMT -5
If one or more assistants are kept, will we know whether it was the decision of the new coach or HC’s ?
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Post by possum on Jun 18, 2019 22:19:04 GMT -5
Hopefully the new coach cleans house and comes in with a whole new offensive and defensive philosophy. Coming in this late the first year could be a tough transition. Based on the clips I've seen the PO wouldn't suit Lowder's game and he should benefit by a change in style of play.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 18, 2019 22:20:13 GMT -5
A very selfish decision (although one that wouldn’t be very surprising for an egotistical guy) if Carmody stepped down at this time. Retiring in June really leaves the program in a tougher sport than he already placed it in.
Methinks ADMB had a come to Jesus meeting with Carmody.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 18, 2019 22:37:00 GMT -5
The only benefit to this very late decision is that most rosters are set for next year and it would be tough for the freshmen to find a new home. It sure was nice that BC passed out that scholarship on his way out the door. Exactly. Whoever recruited them/now wants to recruit them needs to have a scholarship left and not have recruited someone playing the same position. I guess there's also the preferred walk on option and the post grad option. OTOH, you're not replacing those players on June 18, like Carmody replaced Proctor with Charles. On to incoming class of 2020 at that point.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 18, 2019 22:57:18 GMT -5
If one or more assistants are kept, will we know whether it was the decision of the new coach or HC’s ? My recollection was that it was announced even before Kearney was hired that all of Ralph’s guys were going to keep their jobs. Ostensibly this was for continuity.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 18, 2019 23:29:32 GMT -5
Who is this Wade guy? Why does his opinion even matter?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 18, 2019 23:51:34 GMT -5
Who is this Wade guy? Why does his opinion even matter? He's a youth (AAU?) coach whose son we have signed and he has taken a keen interest in the fortunes of his highly-regarded son and our other highly-regarded Michigan recruit.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 19, 2019 0:30:18 GMT -5
A very selfish decision (although one that wouldn’t be very surprising for an egotistical guy) if Carmody stepped down at this time. Retiring in June really leaves the program in a tougher sport than he already placed it in. Methinks ADMB had a come to Jesus meeting with Carmody. I have a hard time believing ADMB has started lying in his press releases already. I believe him and I believe Coach Carmody. I believe MB because I doubt he wanted to walk in and fire someone two weeks before he officially starts and I believe Carm because of his age, his wife's health situation, and his need to take some time off during the season last year. I think if Coach Carmody felt up to it he could have led HC for the final year of his contract and then graciously retired and that would have been fine with ADMB and TPTB, and actually fit the timeline of the new MB administration better than this retirement timing. I do think it is plausible that if BC approached IADBS and ADMB and inquired about some type of partial payment on the final year of his contract to help him retire early they would have tried to be helpful but I can't see them initiating it. My best guess is that Carm retired for family reasons and ADMB is genuinely sorry to see him go but determined to do his best with this important new hire.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 19, 2019 0:38:59 GMT -5
Who is this Wade guy? Why does his opinion even matter? My advice to Coach Wade: In public (that is, Twitter), STFU. Not helping anyone, with stuff like "#options". Who are you speaking to? Is that some kind of ultimatum to Holy Cross? In private, do the best you can for your son and/or make sure he's happy with his decision after this turn of events. If that means not going to HC, so be it. Even the most ardent HC fans will admit you had cause and your son opted out the right way.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 19, 2019 5:14:08 GMT -5
Agree, Tim. Hopefully after a day or so (at most) he goes the private route. Don't need another J. Proctor dad situation. Didn't Coach Wade himself have a serious health scare? One would think that once the dust settles a bit he realizes it's far from the end of the world. Can be a nice little real life lesson for his son as well.
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Post by crusader12 on Jun 19, 2019 5:16:54 GMT -5
Who is this Wade guy? Why does his opinion even matter? My advice to Coach Wade: In public (that is, Twitter), STFU. Not helping anyone, with stuff like "#options". Who are you speaking to? Is that some kind of ultimatum to Holy Cross? In private, do the best you can for your son and/or make sure he's happy with his decision after this turn of events. If that means not going to HC, so be it. Even the most ardent HC fans will admit you had cause and your son opted out the right way. Absolutely right! Don’t know who this guy is and frankly don’t care but he sounds like a millennial complainer....
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Post by possum on Jun 19, 2019 5:30:32 GMT -5
NAD please refresh my memory as to what Proctor's father did that was so offensive. Like Mr. Wade he tweeted about his kids and we ate it up until the coach who recruited his son was fired and he asked for the opportunity to re-open his recruitment. He only became upset when his reasonable request was denied and virtually ended any small chance there was to re-recruit him.
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Post by letsgohc on Jun 19, 2019 5:33:47 GMT -5
He retired 4 years ago. But just announced it. Let's hope the only coaching he does from now is from his couch.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 19, 2019 5:35:34 GMT -5
If one or more assistants are kept, will we know whether it was the decision of the new coach or HC’s ? My recollection was that it was announced even before Kearney was hired that all of Ralph’s guys were going to keep their jobs. Ostensibly this was for continuity. As I posted on another thread, I am quite certain that all the assistants are under contract for 2019-20. If they weren't, they'd already be looking or already out the door.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jun 19, 2019 5:50:09 GMT -5
How do you know the assts aren't looking? And so what if they're not. No shot whoever is hired is going to accept the job being force fed his entire staff.
JK will likely be named interim, staff holds the fort down for the time being, new coach comes in, decides if he wants to keep anyone. It's quite simple.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jun 19, 2019 6:00:27 GMT -5
NAD please refresh my memory as to what Proctor's father did that was so offensive. Like Mr. Wade he tweeted about his kids and we ate it up until the coach who recruited his son was fired and he asked for the opportunity to re-open his recruitment. He only became upset when his reasonable request was denied and virtually ended any small chance there was to re-recruit him. I guess I'm just old fashioned, possum - I'm not a big twitter person. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I do remember the coach made a home visit after he was hired. I just don't like twitter, ok? If they want to move on, fine by me. I never held any ill will against Jahaad; am happy to see it worked out (and is still working out) for him. I guess I am spoiled by the dads who just go to the games, support their kids like crazy, but just leave it at that.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jun 19, 2019 6:40:42 GMT -5
As I recall, the Proctors sought release from his LOI immediately after the coaching change was made. Holy Cross balked - privately - to allow Carmody the chance to re-recruit him. At that point, the Proctors went public with their unhappiness, using Twitter and Josh Verlin (of the now-defunct City of Basketball Love site) as their vehicles of expression. That decision turned an issue that should have been handled quietly between school and recruit into an unpleasant and contentious media event,
I'm with Dave. Twitter - and social media in general - has given some folks a wildly exaggerated sense of their own self-importance and a distorted perception of how interested the rest of the world should be in the self-produced dramas of their lives. This isn't Greek tragedy, and the "stressful" prospect of Ryan Wade having to play D1 basketball and get a first-rate, free education at Holy Cross strikes me as a first-world problem most of his peers would be happy to have.
I certainly understand if one or more of these recruits want to go elsewhere, and HC should respect those decisions. Working it out quietly with the school is the right way to go about it, imho.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jun 19, 2019 6:52:16 GMT -5
I get where Wade’s dad is coming from to some extent (trying to watch out for his son, etc.) but he and the others in the class signed up to play for a 67 year-old coach who basically sleep walked his way to a .443 winning percentage the past 4 seasons (including an absolutely horrendous .389 in the PL), finished in last place in the league last year, didn’t get one of his recruits on an all-league team, was extremely stubborn to his system that hasn’t worked since the 90s, and refused to play freshmen unless absolutely necessary.
It’s not like they were about to start playing for John Wooden in the middle of his UCLA run.
If Marcus Blossom knows what he’s doing, these kids will be playing for a better coach who will give them a much higher chance of having successful basketball careers at HC.
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Post by why4 on Jun 19, 2019 6:58:05 GMT -5
Most of the team, including the four freshmen, are on campus and have been for over a week. Most assumed he COULD leave, therefore that couldn't have been the definitive factor for them. I would assume that their relationships with the other coaches is what drew them to HC to begin with.
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Post by trimster on Jun 19, 2019 7:51:23 GMT -5
Agree, Tim. Hopefully after a day or so (at most) he goes the private route. Don't need another J. Proctor dad situation. Didn't Coach Wade himself have a serious health scare? One would think that once the dust settles a bit he realizes it's far from the end of the world. Can be a nice little real life lesson for his son as well. Could not agree more NAD, especially with your last point. The one constant in the world is change. People cope/adapt to it in different ways.
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Post by Tom on Jun 19, 2019 8:28:58 GMT -5
If one or more assistants are kept, will we know whether it was the decision of the new coach or HC’s ? My recollection was that it was announced even before Kearney was hired that all of Ralph’s guys were going to keep their jobs. Ostensibly this was for continuity. I have no recollection of that. I thought it was a late in the season hire issue and no staff of his own to bring that prompted retaining Daignault and Sanchez. Frankly that would have been a very bold move on HC to force the new coach to take the whole staff. Even if that was the case, it's not the kind of thing you would announce. The other time I am aware of when it happened, I only learned about it after the fact through a casual conversation with one of the parties involved
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Post by rickii on Jun 19, 2019 8:36:52 GMT -5
Right now the four freshmen are talking with our returning players who are telling them that HC is a special place with a hoops program on the rise and that they can be part of a successful run at HC if they stay the course and don’t panic Respectfully, that would be unusual.
Doesn't this assume that none of our 'returning' players are considering a transfer ?
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 19, 2019 8:47:20 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by bison137 on Jun 19, 2019 9:00:20 GMT -5
2. Are there any NCAA restrictions on other schools contacting the students and offering scholarships or is it basically a wide open free-for-all? LoveHC In theory, no school can contact any of the players unless they have been granted permission by HC. However there are a number of schools who will go through third parties (usually AAU coaches or HS coaches) to see if they have transfer interest. That sort of conduct is routine for P6 conference teams, much less so for schools such as those in the PL.
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