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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 6, 2019 6:34:48 GMT -5
Assuming both Green and Grandison are gone, here's how the roster looks. Positions flexible in some cases (e.g., no true center), walk-ons in italics, freshmen in bold.
PG. Lowder, Yeutter SG. Butler, Wade, Copeland, Le Sann SF. Pridgen, Hart PF. Niego, Hargis, Lovisolo, Sandy
C. Faw, Verbeek
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 6, 2019 6:49:29 GMT -5
which roster will change first... this one or the football roster??
btw the College was closed on Friday as well as Thursday...
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2019 8:23:14 GMT -5
Although it does not apply to Green and Grandison, there is a new NCAA transfer rule this year that allows incoming schollie frosh to transfer without sitting a year if there is a coaching change as late as the summer (even if the incoming frosh is already on campus over the summer and taking a summer course). Given our numbers (even including the italicized walk-ons) and late date, I am sure retaining those four incoming frosh is a priority.
( @worcestergray - - to put it very mildly that is a very weak roster IMHO)
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Post by Ray on Jul 6, 2019 8:46:55 GMT -5
Maybe we should stop making assumptions for just a little while.
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Post by lou on Jul 6, 2019 8:54:45 GMT -5
( @worcestergray - - to put it very mildly that is a very weak roster IMHO) If you mean a roster that could possibly lose a couple of it's best players is weaker I'll agree, otherwise I like the talent I've been following for the last few years, new guys...don't know yet |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jul 6, 2019 9:26:10 GMT -5
The freshmen better be good and fast if we have any chance at being respectable next season.
A big challenge Nelson has on his hands.
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2019 9:26:35 GMT -5
The one element of the transfer portal that is confusing is the mentions of large numbers of players in it who have not found a school to transfer to.
Logically, if they haven't found a transfer partner they aren't the next Michael Jordan. If their current school can remove their scholarship when they enter the portal and they aren't great players, why aren't we reading more articles about student athletes who played their hand poorly and are now left with no college scholarship?
Or are most of the players in the portal legitimate starters like CG and JG and reasonably assured of getting an offer somewhere and also reasonably assured their current college won't pull their scholarship unless they actually transfer?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 6, 2019 9:35:59 GMT -5
. . . legitimate starters like CG and JG . . . reasonably assured of getting an offer somewhere and also reasonably assured their current college won't pull their scholarship unless they actually transfer? A Catch-22 trap that I'm sure Holy Cross would prefer to avoid, if possible. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2019 9:37:32 GMT -5
Could CG or JG received assurance from HC that they could test the waters in the portal for a certain period of time without risking their scholarship, or was the publication of their names at an unofficial website as big a bombshell to the HC Athletic Dept. as it was to us?
I have to think they at least notified the Dept./coaching staff before they entered the portal, and that the Dept. would give them a safe harbor window of time if they asked for it.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jul 6, 2019 9:43:42 GMT -5
Could CG or JG received assurance from HC that they could test the waters in the portal for a certain period of time without risking their scholarship . . . I'd give them until Monday.
I wish both players well. But I don't think it's fair to have the Holy Cross basketball program held hostage while they figure out if they can cut themselves a better deal somewhere else
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Post by trimster on Jul 6, 2019 9:43:53 GMT -5
Given the fact that kids communicate today by texting, this online transfer portal makes it too easy to hit send and be listed as a potential transfer without sitting down with or even calling one of your coaches to discuss the situation. I wouldn't assume anything.
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Post by trimster on Jul 6, 2019 9:45:48 GMT -5
Could CG or JG received assurance from HC that they could test the waters in the portal for a certain period of time without risking their scholarship . . . I'd give them until Monday.
I wish both players well. But I don't think it's fair to have the Holy Cross basketball program held hostage while they figure out if they can cut themselves a better deal somewhere else
Agree. They sure are giving up a sweet situation in the long term but whatever... |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 6, 2019 9:47:24 GMT -5
As important as the roster will be (and like WooGray, put me down for Tietjen being a possible pleasant surprise), I'm just real curious about how BN is going about assembling the staff. If it's from the outside, will he even be able to get anyone hired before they have to hit the road? Do they have a recruiting schedule mapped out yet? God bless him; doubt he's on any duck boat tours this weekend.
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Post by hc6774 on Jul 6, 2019 9:49:23 GMT -5
I think more than HC's bball program is involved in the transfer situation...
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Post by hchoops on Jul 6, 2019 9:57:15 GMT -5
As important as the roster will be (and like WooGray, put me down for Tietjen Who ? |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2019 9:59:51 GMT -5
The Q+A session on Tuesday will be interesting. The publication of CG and JG being in the portal is unofficial, the general public has no right to know who is officially in the portal and the two players are still listed on the HC roster. I hope the coach has a pair of tap dancing shoes somewhere.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 6, 2019 10:06:08 GMT -5
( @worcestergray - - to put it very mildly that is a very weak roster IMHO) If you mean a roster that could possibly lose a couple of it's best players is weaker I'll agree, otherwise I like the talent I've been following for the last few years, new guys...don't know yet The team was 16-17 and graduated its best player (2-time PL defensive POY and 2nd team All PL Floyd). I'm not sure anyone else on our last-place PL team was above average (by PL standards); certainly nobody else received PL honors. Next year did not look promising...even when viewed last week. Now it appears that two of the more-talented of the returnees may be gone. The roster (as presented by @worcestergray) now shows 3 walk-ons and 4 rookies. I'll refrain from a player-by-player evaluation of the returning scholarship players. That is the roster I am referring to when I describe it as weak: @worcestergray: Assuming both Green and Grandison are gone, here's how the roster looks. Positions flexible in some cases (e.g., no true center), walk-ons in italics, freshmen in bold.
PG. Lowder, Yeutter
SG. Butler, Wade, Copeland, Le Sann
SF. Pridgen, Hart
PF. Niego, Hargis, Lovisolo, Sandy
C. Faw, Verbeek
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Post by CHC8485 on Jul 6, 2019 10:07:49 GMT -5
Given the fact that kids communicate today by texting, this online transfer portal makes it too easy to hit send and be listed as a potential transfer without sitting down with or even calling one of your coaches to discuss the situation. I wouldn't assume anything. The process to get your name in the portal is pretty clear. 1. Notify your schools compliance office of your intention to transfer. 2. The SCHOOL has 2 days to put you name in the portal. Would assume most most schools would want the student to discuss with his or her coaches in those 2 days before posting it. |
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 6, 2019 10:07:57 GMT -5
A good insight into ADMB is if he stands front and center with BN and they both at least field all questions until they are done even though they may not be able to comment on everything.
A good insight into the incredibly shrinking Worcester Press corps is if there are any actual probing questions.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 6, 2019 10:09:39 GMT -5
The Q+A session on Tuesday will be interesting. The publication of CG and JG being in the portal is unofficial, the general public has no right to know who is officially in the portal and the two players are still listed on the HC roster. I hope the coach has a pair of tap dancing shoes somewhere. My guess is that he will,say that NCAA rules prohibit him from commenting |
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Post by trimster on Jul 6, 2019 10:26:06 GMT -5
Given the fact that kids communicate today by texting, this online transfer portal makes it too easy to hit send and be listed as a potential transfer without sitting down with or even calling one of your coaches to discuss the situation. I wouldn't assume anything. The process to get your name in the portal is pretty clear. 1. Notify your schools compliance office of your intention to transfer. 2. The SCHOOL has 2 days to put you name in the portal. Would assume most most schools would want the student to discuss with his or her coaches in those 2 days before posting it. Thank you for the clarification. |
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Post by trimster on Jul 6, 2019 10:27:47 GMT -5
As important as the roster will be (and like WooGray, put me down for Tietjen Who ? I'm guessing spellcheck's take on Pridgen. |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jul 6, 2019 10:42:31 GMT -5
As important as the roster will be (and like WooGray, put me down for Tietjen Who ? Too funny.....that is the name of one of our clinical physicians at my employer. I have been mixing his name up with Joe Pridgen since Joe came on board. Probably won't be the last time either! |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 6, 2019 11:29:54 GMT -5
One real plus, in my mind, during this period of roster uncertainty: Connor Niego should be fully healed and ready to play a big role in the front court. He showed a lot last year in his limited action--cherry-picking only the four games in which he played 10+ minutes, CN played 85 minutes and scored 42 points on 11-17 shooting on twos, 6-10 on threes, and 2-5 from the line. He did commit 12 PF's so we have to cut back on that and keep him on the floor. He looks to be the morning line favorite in this Fall's "Most Improved Player" survey thread.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 6, 2019 11:42:45 GMT -5
One real plus, in my mind, during this period of roster uncertainty: Connor Niego should be fully healed and ready to play a big role in the front court. He showed a lot last year in his limited action--cherry-picking only the four games in which he played 10+ minutes, CN played 85 minutes and scored 42 points on 11-17 shooting on twos, 6-10 on threes, and 2-5 from the line. He did commit 12 PF's so we have to cut back on that and keep him on the floor. He looks to be the morning line favorite in this Fall's "Most Improved Player" survey thread. I have heard that Connor is fully healed. |
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