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Post by hcpride on Aug 19, 2019 15:38:16 GMT -5
Note the actual quote "an excellent PL Player". Speaking just in general I'd say a guy who is the 2-time PL Player of the Year (and 2nd team All PL Offense whose .659 career field goal percentage is the best career mark in Patriot League history) with can safely be described as an "excellent PL Player". I think you meant 2-time defensive POY. Floyd, as I'm sure you know, never made 1st team All-PL, never mind POY. (Note that the PL does not have an All-PL offensive team.) Having said that, I agree he was an excellent player - one who would have thrived in a different system. LOL You caught me mid edit (2 X PL DEF POY + 2nd Team ALL PL [with highest career field goal percentage in PL history] = An excellent PL player. Some games senior year he was basically unstoppable down low on offense v PL opponents.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 19, 2019 15:39:12 GMT -5
Dmarz, RW’s matchup was the same basic D that changed emphasis for the strength(s) of the opponent. RW never tried all the multiple defenses that you suggest. Neither do most of the successful programs. Ex. (I do not like it but) Boeheim plays the same 2-3 95% of the time UVA plays half court man 98% and certainly does not have superior athleticism to most of the ACC Coach K played man with the vast majority of his teams. Recently with all the freshmen, he has added a 2-3. I do not know of any successful team that uses anywhere near all the defenses that you refer. Please name them.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 19, 2019 15:39:48 GMT -5
Bucknell has been playing almost exclusively m2m for years. Seems to have worked for them.
Whatever we do, let's keep it simple, and strive to do it well.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 19, 2019 15:49:05 GMT -5
But there are a number of good teams that only play M2M. They just try to do it really well. IF a team has superior quickness over and opponent, they can dictate what they want to do...But when they meet a team that is equal to them, to be successful, they have to have something else in their bag of tricks....HC played their 1-3-1 through the Patriot League Tourney and a win in the NCAA, but that run ended against Oregon's superior athletes....and HC didn't have an answer for them..... A team can certainly live with one very good D, (Syracuse comes to mind), but eventually the team needs a different look.... This is true if the singular man-to-man defense is as simple as can be and is just match up your 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, 4 vs 4, 5 vs 5, and rolling the ball out there. That is not how a competent D1 coach builds their man-to-man defense. There are many different aspects of the single "man-to-man defense" that are player- and opponent-specific that give it completely different looks. Brad Stevens' Butler teams played man-to-man defense and made it to the National Championship two years in a row against teams with vastly superior quickness. You don't need to play a zone defense or have gimmicks to beat teams with superior athleticism.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 19, 2019 16:16:23 GMT -5
Bucknell has been playing almost exclusively m2m for years. Seems to have worked for them. Whatever we do, let's keep it simple, and strive to do it well. The last time Bucknell played much zone was in 2007-08, Flannery's last year. They haven't played virtually any zone since Davis' first year (2015-16).
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Post by DiMarz on Aug 19, 2019 18:12:26 GMT -5
Dmarz, RW’s matchup was the same basic D that changed emphasis for the strength(s) of the opponent. RW never tried all the multiple defenses that you suggest. Neither do most of the successful programs. Ex. (I do not like it but) Boeheim plays the same 2-3 95% of the time UVA plays half court man 98% and certainly does not have superior athleticism to most of the ACC Coach K played man with the vast majority of his teams. Recently with all the freshmen, he has added a 2-3. I do not know of any successful team that uses anywhere near all the defenses that you refer. Please name them. I'm not saying the team must play all the defenses I suggested, I would like to see the team play multiple Defenses..Not just hang their hat on one....Make teams prepare to play you, and have defensive sets that can stop teams in different ways...If we are getting beat of the bounce consistently, have something else to toss out there..If teams are knocking down 3's, have something to stop that...I believe every team must have a "survival packet"...Just as a team has offensive sets for the end of games, from different spots on the floor to inbound the ball, a team must have weapons on D to take away the oppositions offense....BE PREPARED FOR EVERY SITUATION.....and have something up your sleeve to put the opposition off balance......
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 22, 2019 8:17:20 GMT -5
Very curious to see what Verbeek may do this coming season.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 22, 2019 18:28:26 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 22, 2019 18:38:04 GMT -5
Very curious to see what Verbeek may do this coming season. I think Verbeek should be on the same eating and training program as the football team. If he puts on some size, I think his best chance to provide meaningful minutes is as a defender and rebounder. Based on the limited action he/we saw last year though, seems like he's more of a perimeter big man.
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Post by deep Purple on Aug 22, 2019 20:42:17 GMT -5
Very curious to see what Verbeek may do this coming season. I think Verbeek should be on the same eating and training program as the football team. If he puts on some size, I think his best chance to provide meaningful minutes is as a defender and rebounder. Based on the limited action he/we saw last year though, seems like he's more of a perimeter big man. They should have him working out with the o-line and on the same eating regimen as #67.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 22, 2019 20:49:10 GMT -5
Good find, Dave. That’s my guy. Joey Reilly, NE6 - If there were questions about how he could impact the game versus national caliber competition, they've been answered at this point. Whatever Reilly may lack in size he has more than compensated for with skill, energy, and consistency. He's shot 48% from behind the three point line while knocking down an average of two threes per game and increasing the quickness of his release as he adapts to the level of competition. He's also shooting 50% from the floor and 80% from the free-throw line. Reilly's value eclipses the numbers though as he's an "everyday guy" who brings it on both ends every time he steps on the floor and never lacks a sense of urgency.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 23, 2019 1:13:02 GMT -5
Nice write-up on both of our Joes. But after reading the recruiting report it's easy to see "the Upside" has no downside about any of the players. However you can't spin hard facts and 48% from three point land for Reilly is exciting. Thanks for sharing the report.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 23, 2019 15:23:28 GMT -5
If it’s true that it’s not the X’s and O’s but rather the Jimmies and Joes that win basketball games, we should be all set.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 23, 2019 16:10:56 GMT -5
Assuming the guys love playing for Coach Nelson and all come back for year 2 (excluding CLS, of course), I've got my plan together for what to do with the 2 open slots. Hopefully Coach will have the sense to reach out to me : 1. Keep a VERY close eye on the freshmen of all leagues from say, the A-10 on up. Watch for any bigs wanting out after first semester (someone that can play the 4-5). Grab one. 2. Go after another similar player, but someone doing a post grad year somewhere, or, someone in a really high level high school program that could play some minutes right away. He'll read the board, right?
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Post by spenser on Aug 23, 2019 18:27:45 GMT -5
Assuming the guys love playing for Coach Nelson and all come back for year 2 (excluding CLS, of course), I've got my plan together for what to do with the 2 open slots. Hopefully Coach will have the sense to reach out to me : 1. Keep a VERY close eye on the freshmen of all leagues from say, the A-10 on up. Watch for any bigs wanting out after first semester (someone that can play the 4-5). Grab one. 2. Go after another similar player, but someone doing a post grad year somewhere, or, someone in a really high level high school program that could play some minutes right away. He'll read the board, right? So...In some cases the transfer portal is ok. Got it.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 23, 2019 20:12:12 GMT -5
Hey, if you can't beat em........
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Post by hcpride on Aug 24, 2019 10:08:52 GMT -5
We've used transfers to shore up weak teams before. Anybody remember Jim McCaffrey?
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Post by hc6774 on Aug 24, 2019 10:46:08 GMT -5
We've used transfers to shore up weak teams before. Anybody remember Jim McCaffrey? Champ Godbolt
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Post by DiMarz on Aug 25, 2019 19:18:37 GMT -5
We've used transfers to shore up weak teams before. Anybody remember Jim McCaffrey? Josh Sankes
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Post by hchoops on Aug 25, 2019 19:27:45 GMT -5
Mike Cavataio
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Post by trimster on Aug 25, 2019 19:28:38 GMT -5
We've used transfers to shore up weak teams before. Anybody remember Jim McCaffrey? Ed Thurman from Wake Forest. Jim Runcie from Virginia.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Aug 25, 2019 19:35:31 GMT -5
And to clarify my position - I'm not advocating that HC becomes a poacher. But, the reality I think we all realize is many kids at the higher levels get recruited over, and end up getting gently (or not so gently) pushed out. Sometimes right away kids realize they are maybe a bit over their heads. For our program right now, it would be a great time to get lucky with a kid like this right after his first semester (and it does happen). If the kid could get enrolled for second semester, we could have him for 3 1/2 years, and he would still line up beside the replacement for CLS. It's certainly a long shot, but for me that would be the best case scenario for getting a transfer (and someone who would have a shot at producing right away).
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 25, 2019 19:44:39 GMT -5
We've used transfers to shore up weak teams before. Anybody remember Jim McCaffrey? Ed Thurman from Wake Forest. Jim Runcie from Virginia. Joe Carballiera. (What are the odds that that’s spelled correctly?!?)
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Post by hchoops on Aug 25, 2019 19:46:32 GMT -5
And to clarify my position - I'm not advocating that HC becomes a poacher. But, the reality I think we all realize is many kids at the higher levels get recruited over, and end up getting gently (or not so gently) pushed out. Sometimes right away kids realize they are maybe a bit over their heads. For our program right now, it would be a great time to get lucky with a kid like this right after his first semester (and it does happen). If the kid could get enrolled for second semester, we could have him for 3 1/2 years, and he would still line up beside the replacement for CLS. It's certainly a long shot, but for me that would be the best case scenario for getting a transfer (and someone who would have a shot at producing right away). Well argued, NAD Reading that BN has a reputation for securing high quality transfers for Marquette, I have confidence that he will explore all possible avenues to improve our roster, including transfers.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 25, 2019 19:54:12 GMT -5
Eira...not iera. Nice try though
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