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Post by sader1970 on Dec 3, 2019 16:07:49 GMT -5
That's fine and perfectly understandable but I will be more than a little disappointed if he ends up in another PL school or another one of our opponents unless it is in the national championship game sometime in the net 4 years,
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Post by hc87 on Dec 3, 2019 16:51:33 GMT -5
I highly doubt Helms ends up at another PL school...possibly Ivy, maybe one of the southern CAA schools or SoCon schools if he goes FCS.
Again, it's too bad but something we have to get used at times if we are fishing in the deepah end of the recruiting pool.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 3, 2019 17:15:45 GMT -5
Re: Helms. Finished his senior season: 234/305 for a 77% completion rate, 4,126 yards passing, 48TD’s, and 5 INT’s. Average completion is about 20 yards, almost to the penny. Supposedly offered preferred walk-on at Clemson, but Clemson has recruited a QB from CA who is rated, by all rating services, as the #1 QB prospect in the country. IMO, with passing numbers like that, HC would be changing their offensive schemes. Scheme needs changing anyway. Predictable.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 3, 2019 17:24:01 GMT -5
Anyone have any word on how QB recruit Marco Siderman did this year? How was the competition level? Footwork and talent level?
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Post by inhocsigno on Dec 3, 2019 17:53:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 18:02:28 GMT -5
As a former player, I can't stand the term "preferred walk on". A walk on is a walk on and the term "preferred" is silly term made up by naive parents.
I call parents out when I hear it. It's better for everybody involved.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 3, 2019 18:09:11 GMT -5
Sometimes PWO does a few things Admission with a blink and nod since if requested formally by staff it counts on the numbers Join summer camp at the same time as all scholarship players Registration for classes
At least the way it was for one of my sons who went to UVA 20 plus years ago
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 3, 2019 18:11:56 GMT -5
When I hear “preferred walk on” I think of guys who are contacted by FBS schools and encouraged to attend without a scholarship. I think they serve mostly as practice players. This distinguishes them from non-scholarship players who try out for the team without prior contact with coaches.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 3, 2019 18:15:37 GMT -5
Correct but probably with a few exceptions in terms of pt- in bb we have LY that could be an outlier
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 3, 2019 18:16:18 GMT -5
I agree with 4-3. Walk on is a walk on. I never hear anyone comment “ He started as a preferred walk on and earned a scholarship”, it’s just walk on. Hell - the kids on the team don’t say, Oh yah he’s a preferred walk on.
It’s like when a kid says - thankful to receive an offer from Colby College. That’s impossible because D3 doesn’t offer.
Offer is used way too loosely these days as well.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 3, 2019 18:19:22 GMT -5
Don’t disagree in general 43 and 13, but sometimes dreams do come true
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 3, 2019 18:26:40 GMT -5
Anyone have any word on how QB recruit Marco Siderman did this year? How was the competition level? Footwork and talent level? I believe Siderman is a bigger kid with more raw running skills than Helms. Helms is identified on rating sites as a Pro-Style QB which suggests he is more of a pocket passer. I also believe that Siderman was actually ranked slightly higher nationally at QB by one of the rating sites than Helms, for what that is (or isn’t) worth.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 3, 2019 18:45:51 GMT -5
Siderman's team went 2-9 this past season. Must not play much defense in that league.
His high school, Westlake, is public; not to be confused with Harvard-Westlake, which is not. Heather MacDonald attended the Westlake portion of Harvard Westlake before the two schools merged.
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Post by nplang08 on Dec 3, 2019 19:15:45 GMT -5
Siderman's team went 2-9 this past season. Must not play much defense in that league. His high school, Westlake, is public; not to be confused with Harvard-Westlake, which is not. Heather MacDonald attended the Westlake portion of Harvard Westlake before the two schools merged. I live in that county and Westlake plays very high quality teams in that division. They usually make the playoffs or are at the top of their league but had a down year. I think they lost a lot of senior leadership this year. I haven’t been able to watch too much of siderman but he comes from a usually quality program so I think he will be a welcome addition to the team.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 3, 2019 19:56:16 GMT -5
More Siderman talk. Less Helms talk.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 3, 2019 19:58:34 GMT -5
If we are going to continuing to Dink and Dunk with Spread and Shred, Siderman would seem to be the man for the job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:45:25 GMT -5
Don’t disagree in general 43 and 13, but sometimes dreams do come true It be amazing to see the difference in attrition rate in collegiate sports between households that used the term "preferred walk on" and "walk on" when referencing their kid's future plans. I had four buddies in high school that had parents that went around telling everyone they were "preferred walk ons" at FBS Schools. All four quit their freshmen year. Who doesn't want to be an underdog? A subtle change in language can set your kid up for success.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 3, 2019 20:50:14 GMT -5
Before transferring to Westlake High School, Siderman played at Oaks Christian. Jimmy Clausen played his High School there prior to Notre Dame.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:52:00 GMT -5
To help raise awareness for the stigma, I will be sure to tell everyone that my child is a "non-preferred walk on" if the opportunity should present itself.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 3, 2019 20:55:44 GMT -5
My only point was that sometimes it works out, the kid plays and might even earn a scholarship. To me it is about the opportunity for the kid/player. Parents are or should be a non factor
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 3, 2019 21:09:47 GMT -5
A preferred walk-on is a counter, if he receives financial aid of any sort. A counter counts against the cap of 85. A walk-on is not a counter if he receives financial aid, and does not count against the cap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 21:19:00 GMT -5
Would Lori Laughlin's daughter be considered a preferred walk on?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 3, 2019 21:25:37 GMT -5
Since the coach and school got the money from her I would image it was the coach and school who were "preferred."
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 4, 2019 14:53:30 GMT -5
I highly doubt Helms ends up at another PL school...possibly Ivy, maybe one of the southern CAA schools or SoCon schools if he goes FCS. Again, it's too bad but something we have to get used at times if we are fishing in the deepah end of the recruiting pool. I saw this tweet today from Helms’ father, seeming to suggest Hunter is going to be committing to a Power 5 school.
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Post by joutsHC77 on Dec 14, 2019 19:27:20 GMT -5
Seems like we need LBs and DL.
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