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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2019 21:45:24 GMT -5
Exciting that JG still may have a landing spot at HC. No harm, no foul, suit up and compete for playing time if it doesn't work out at Illinois or anywhere else.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 13, 2019 22:02:46 GMT -5
I would be very, very surprised if JG is back at HC in a few weeks. His roommate’s gone. He has no connection to the northeast. No connection to the new coach or the two new assistants. And he’s made clear his preference is to move on. I wish him well. Nelson will have at least two scholarships next year with which to continue to build the roster he wants.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 13, 2019 22:07:04 GMT -5
I also think.it unlikely he will return. But how many real offers can he have at this late date ? If Illinois does not pan out, can he have anything else at this late date, not only comparable to Illinois, but comparable to HC ? i believe Illinois returns from its Europe trip at the end of this week. Many schools begin in 1-2 weeks.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 13, 2019 22:19:57 GMT -5
I also think.it unlikely he will return. But how many real offers can he have at this late date ? If Illinois does not pan out, can he have anything else at this late date, not only comparable to Illinois, but comparable to HC ? i believe Illinois returns from its Europe trip at the end of this week. Many schools begin in 1-2 weeks. Agree that he has both feet out the door but the bigger question is does Nelson want him back as he moves the team forward?
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Post by timholycross on Aug 13, 2019 22:21:42 GMT -5
At this point I'd be upset if grandson is back with the team, unless someone can give me a reasonable explanation why someone can hold the program hostage for this long and at this late date. Now getting back to Joey Riley, that was the name of a HC wideout that scored the winning TD in HCs famous 43-42 win over Lehigh.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 13, 2019 22:28:04 GMT -5
I certainly do not agree with his huge delay, but I do not think he is holding us hostage. We have been and are free to use his scholarship
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Post by bison137 on Aug 13, 2019 22:40:38 GMT -5
I don't know but will be very surprised if he's a walk-on. Agree Also agree. I think it's very unlikely he would have given up the PG year he was about to take - which may well have led to scholarship offers for 2020 - in order to be a walk-on.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 13, 2019 22:42:46 GMT -5
I didn't notice any resolution on the tall Siena kid in the portal, but like others, I hope skilled big men will be the priority for next year. He committed to George Washington - following the Siena coach. Not sure how much help he would have been. Good 3-point shooter but doesn't rebound, doesn't defend, doesn't draw fouls, and has no interior game. I sense Nelson will be looking for some of those attributes in his big men.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 13, 2019 22:43:30 GMT -5
Key stat on Reilly from the Morelli piece: 45% shooting from three point land! Is that for real? Re: question of scholarship (surely) or walk-on: If he's #22 in Connecticut, do more than 25 CT players get D-1 rides? Here's the latest list. Note Reilly at #22 and Sandy at #34. Looks like #40 and below are D-3 or D-2 a;though there are some D-3"s (e.g. Williams) in top 30. newenglandrecruitingreport.com/rankings/connecticut-class-of-2019
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Post by HC92 on Aug 13, 2019 22:48:58 GMT -5
At this point I'd be upset if grandson is back with the team, unless someone can give me a reasonable explanation why someone can hold the program hostage for this long and at this late date. Now getting back to Joey Riley, that was the name of a HC wideout that scored the winning TD in HCs famous 43-42 win over Lehigh. I went out with the original Joe Riley the weekend of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans where he was a lawyer at the time. Saints had a preseason game that Friday night before the Hurricane rolled in on Sunday night or Monday.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2019 22:49:26 GMT -5
I also think.it unlikely he will return. But how many real offers can he have at this late date ? If Illinois does not pan out, can he have anything else at this late date, not only comparable to Illinois, but comparable to HC ? i believe Illinois returns from its Europe trip at the end of this week. Many schools begin in 1-2 weeks. Agree that he has both feet out the door but the bigger question is does Nelson want him back as he moves the team forward? My opinion: Yes, Nelson wants his leading scorer, who has improved each of his first two seasons, back for his junior and senior year. If JG was an Antonio Brown or an OBJ (attitude wise, not skill wise) he probably wouldn't want him back, but there is no evidence that JG has a bad attitude. Jacob is playing by the rules so he shouldn't be criticized for being in the portal and trying out elsewhere and Coach Nelson is no dummy. He knows JG has the talent to make the team better. If Illinois accepts him the issue is probably resolved. But if Illinois accepts him and Nelson is still recruiting him it would be an interesting choice for Jacob. Illinois isn't Berkeley or Stanford. If the HC scholarship is still open my ideal would be for Coach Nelson, Coach Kennedy and the returning team members to enthusiastically recruit him to stay at HC and have him choose Royal Purple over Navy Blue and Orange (ugh). We can't offer him one year of free graduate school, but we can offer him the chance to be a career thousand point scorer.
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Post by HC92 on Aug 13, 2019 22:54:55 GMT -5
Key stat on Reilly from the Morelli piece: 45% shooting from three point land! Is that for real? Re: question of scholarship (surely) or walk-on: If he's #22 in Connecticut, do more than 25 CT players get D-1 rides? Here's the latest list. Note Reilly at #22 and Sandy at #34. Looks like #40 and below are D-3 or D-2 a;though there are some D-3"s (e.g. Williams) in top 30. newenglandrecruitingreport.com/rankings/connecticut-class-of-2019Reilly’s a D1 player. How good of one remains to be seen. The lowest ranked D1 player in 2019 was #37.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 13, 2019 23:27:49 GMT -5
I clicked on that "All State" team that Joe made and saw that (A) none of the top 14 players (NERR) in the state (UConn, Wichita State, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Umass, URI, etc signees) made the team and that a good half dozen of the players who did make "All State" did not make the NERR Top 50 in the state.
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Post by bison137 on Aug 14, 2019 1:15:15 GMT -5
I clicked on that "All State" team that Joe made and saw that (A) none of the top 14 players (NERR) in the state (UConn, Wichita State, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Umass, URI, etc signees) made the team and that a good half dozen of the players who did make "All State" did not make the NERR Top 50 in the state. Almost all of the top players in Connecticut play for prep schools and are not eligible for any of the all-state teams since those schools virtually all have post-grad players or reclassified fifth year players. Also they do not belong to the CT HS association (CIAC). And further, those schools are rarely followed by the local media and do not play the public high schools, so most of the voters wouldn't have a clue as to their abilities. Looking at the NERR list of CT players, only one of the top 25 plays for a CIAC school and is thus eligible for all-state (Jaylin Hunter of East Catholic). On that entire 50-player list, only three high schools - East Catholic, Notre Dame-West Haven, and Sacred Heart - are CIAC members
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Post by bison137 on Aug 14, 2019 1:32:53 GMT -5
I clicked on that "All State" team that Joe made and saw that (A) none of the top 14 players (NERR) in the state (UConn, Wichita State, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Umass, URI, etc signees) made the team and that a good half dozen of the players who did make "All State" did not make the NERR Top 50 in the state. All of these rankings, of course, are very inexact things. Looking back at the CT rankings for 2017, there is Jack Stevens (#22), Lafayette's Myles Cherry (#27), and Clayton LeSann (#29). Also, although not really relevant for this discussion, both Walter Whyte and Jordan Burns were in the top ten. If you look at the All-New England rankings and see where the CT players rank, it appears that Caleb Green would have ranked 17th in CT, Copeland 20, and Granderson 30. The latter shows how inexact this is.
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Post by sader81 on Aug 14, 2019 6:12:17 GMT -5
I clicked on that "All State" team that Joe made and saw that (A) none of the top 14 players (NERR) in the state (UConn, Wichita State, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Umass, URI, etc signees) made the team and that a good half dozen of the players who did make "All State" did not make the NERR Top 50 in the state. All of these rankings, of course, are very inexact things. Looking back at the CT rankings for 2017, there is Jack Stevens (#22), Lafayette's Myles Cherry (#27), and Clayton LeSann (#29). Also, although not really relevant for this discussion, both Walter Whyte and Jordan Burns were in the top ten. If you look at the All-New England rankings and see where the CT players rank, it appears that Caleb Green would have ranked 17th in CT, Copeland 20, and Granderson 30. The latter shows how inexact this is. Very difficult to compare the HS with the preps. Having seen a few prep games, it is a very differentfrom the HS game. Generally, the preps are older kids looking for to punch a college ticket. A lot of showboating, undisciplined play, which would have most HS kids finding a place on the pine. The rise of the prep schools, along with many small towns building high schools, has diluted the HS talent pool in CT. There still are many fine players in the HS, nonetheless. As for Joe Reilly, welcome to HC! Years ago, East Catholic had a tradition to have their student dressed with shirt and tie for games, and there was silence in the gym when opponents were shooting foul shots. I assume those traditions are gone.
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Post by alum on Aug 14, 2019 6:13:13 GMT -5
I am looking forward to having Joey Reilly exchanging East Catholic blue for Crusader royal purple. I am confident he will contribute both in games and practices and make the team better.
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Post by alum on Aug 14, 2019 6:16:34 GMT -5
All of these rankings, of course, are very inexact things. Looking back at the CT rankings for 2017, there is Jack Stevens (#22), Lafayette's Myles Cherry (#27), and Clayton LeSann (#29). Also, although not really relevant for this discussion, both Walter Whyte and Jordan Burns were in the top ten. If you look at the All-New England rankings and see where the CT players rank, it appears that Caleb Green would have ranked 17th in CT, Copeland 20, and Granderson 30. The latter shows how inexact this is. Very difficult to compare the HS with the preps. Having seen a few prep games, it is a very differentfrom the HS game. Generally, the preps are older kids looking for to punch a college ticket. A lot of showboating, undisciplined play, which would have most HS kids finding a place on the pine. The rise of the prep schools, along with many small towns building high schools, has diluted the HS talent pool in CT. There still are many fine players in the HS, nonetheless. As for Joe Reilly, welcome to HC! Years ago, East Catholic had a tradition to have their student dressed with shirt and tie for games, and there was silence in the gym when opponents were shooting foul shots. I assume those traditions are gone.You remember well. I was at plenty of those games, especially sell outs at UHart when East played South Catholic and Manchester High. I have to say that those good manners may not have been on display, however, in the aftermath of a state semifinal in 1977 when the ref waved off a tip in at/after the buzzer and East lost to John Pinone's South in a neutral site game at one of the city schools in Hartford.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2019 7:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2019 8:21:25 GMT -5
bison--thanks for the explanation--I have to remember that the prep schools are in a separate universe of their own
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 14, 2019 9:12:20 GMT -5
That is a good question. It appears we are certainly getting a number of talented guards, but all at once? I do remember RW saying several times that a solid point guard was the biggest need for any PL team.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2019 9:14:36 GMT -5
Bison, I wonder if you could explain the paradox of Woodstock (Ct) Academy, a private school dating from the 1700s that functions as a public regional high school with Woodstock and neighboring small towns paying tuition for their residents with a small component of foreign students from China and elsewhere and a few out of state private pay students. They have competed in the public school leagues but some (other public schools, I believe) want them banished to the Prep School leagues. I haven't been able to follow the story consistently.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Aug 14, 2019 9:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by rickii on Aug 14, 2019 9:33:28 GMT -5
Bison, I wonder if you could explain the paradox of Woodstock (Ct) Academy, a private school dating from the 1700s that functions as a public regional high school with Woodstock and neighboring small towns paying tuition for their residents with a small component of foreign students from China and elsewhere and a few out of state private pay students. They have competed in the public school leagues but some (other public schools, I believe) want them banished to the Prep School leagues. I haven't been able to follow the story consistently.
Just a guess....they don't use post-grads ?
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Post by bison137 on Aug 14, 2019 9:34:26 GMT -5
Bison, I wonder if you could explain the paradox of Woodstock (Ct) Academy, a private school dating from the 1700s that functions as a public regional high school with Woodstock and neighboring small towns paying tuition for their residents with a small component of foreign students from China and elsewhere and a few out of state private pay students. They have competed in the public school leagues but some (other public schools, I believe) want them banished to the Prep School leagues. I haven't been able to follow the story consistently. I don't know that much about it, but I know in basketball they have two entirely different teams with different rules. They have a prep school elite team, with many post-grads who are highly ranked. Since it was formed, it has been one of the higher ranked teams in the nation. I think there might be a second post-grad team as well. And then they have a normal team that plays a CIAC schedule and competes in the state tournament. That team has no post-grads or fifth years, and has been very mediocre against mediocre competition. Note that Woodstock Academy functions as the public school for a number of nearby towns, as well as taking in students from other places.
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