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Post by dharry13 on Sept 4, 2019 9:59:48 GMT -5
In the interest of moving on from Navy and looking forward to home opener. What will be only home game in first 6, so it's a biggie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 13:47:26 GMT -5
UNH being favored at -7.5 in their first game of the season. Strong finish last year in the CAA, beating JMU, Villanova, and Holy Cross (28-0).
Hard not to take UNH from a points perspective as 7.5 seems like easy money.
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Post by dharry13 on Sept 4, 2019 13:59:39 GMT -5
Always good to add that second comment in there to continue to be pro HC.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 4, 2019 14:23:42 GMT -5
UNH being favored at -7.5 in their first game of the season. Strong finish last year in the CAA, beating JMU, Villanova, and Holy Cross (28-0). Hard not to take UNH from a points perspective as 7.5 seems like easy money. How did their early season win over HC last year help in any way that “strong finish?” UNH got pounded at HC two years ago. They won handily last year at home. The location of this game (at Fitton) could be key to a Crusader win.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 4, 2019 15:55:39 GMT -5
UNH being favored at -7.5 in their first game of the season. Strong finish last year in the CAA, beating JMU, Villanova, and Holy Cross (28-0). Hard not to take UNH from a points perspective as 7.5 seems like easy money. When Knight came back they did pick it up a bit but he went down the last game of the season (v so-so CAA URI) and UNH lost 24-21. They're going with a red-shirt frosh QB (apparently a thrower who can also scramble) I haven't been overwhelmed by UNH talent the last two years (having watched several games) so IMHO we've got a shot at Fitton Field. It'll be a realistic test for our QB.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 4, 2019 18:49:37 GMT -5
All depends on the quickness and speed UNH has on both sides. If close to even HC by 10
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Post by thecrossisback on Sept 4, 2019 18:52:53 GMT -5
Im not sure how many HC fans there were at Navy. Definitely a good amount. But I do know we need a nice home crowd support for the game on Saturday. Come on Sader Nation show up and get loud. Lets Win!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 19:02:26 GMT -5
Always good to add that second comment in there to continue to be pro HC. I love HC, but don't have to drink the Chesney Kool-Aid. Chesney hasn't scored a point on UNH and zero changes have been made to the offense. I do hope that HC pulls off the win, but I have little faith in the current leadership in getting the team to "compete". I am tired of all the motivational rhetoric and want to see results to back up the talk.
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Post by dharry13 on Sept 4, 2019 19:07:02 GMT -5
I love Duffner but doesn’t mean can’t support Chesney as well.
I get it - Gilmore recruited you and ultimately Chesney replaces him. Gilmore era is over. Was good at times while it lasted.
I personally blindly or not blindly stand behind the guys there. I’ve gotten to know Murphy - absolutely great guy. I believe in the different talent level they are recruiting. Love his energy. Time will tell but I have blind faith regardless until I see otherwise and what I’ve seen is positive on so many fronts.
Most particularly last year in turning around a dumpster fire 1-6 to end 5-6. But that’s just me. Bleed purple
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 19:24:01 GMT -5
I love Duffner but doesn’t mean can’t support Chesney as well. I get it - Gilmore recruited you and ultimately Chesney replaces him. Gilmore era is over. Was good at times while it lasted. I personally blindly or not blindly stand behind the guys there. I’ve gotten to know Murphy - absolutely great guy. I believe in the different talent level they are recruiting. Love his energy. Time will tell but I have blind faith regardless until I see otherwise and what I’ve seen is positive on so many fronts. Most particularly last year in turning around a dumpster fire 1-6 to end 5-6. But that’s just me. Bleed purple I understand your points and it makes sense. Personally, I don't care about "energy' in coaching and prefer the old school ways. Richard Rodgers, Duffner, Rick Carter, Coach O'Leary, David Kotulski, Chris Pincince, Mike Pedone, and Tom Gilmore were great coaches because they all had solid backgrounds in their playing and coaching careers. The best coaches are often reserved until they need to make a point because they lived it. The current leadership is obnoxious with their cliche statements, motivational rhetoric, and their constant quest for attention. I understand that this age is different, but think they should minimize all the b.s. video content and interviews until they create some consistent results. Chesney talked ad nauseam last week about how Navy would have a difficult time competing with HC's speed and the player's needed to "trust the process". What are you talking about dude? The mantra should be, "Shut Your Mouth and Compete."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 4, 2019 21:40:11 GMT -5
If Tom Gilmore was a great coach, as you state, why did his teams have such a hard time winning close games? HC was 12-25 in games decided by a field goal or less during his time at HC including 4-13 in games decided by 1 point or in over time? Isn't it one of the marks of a great coach that he can make the right calls and manage the clock to prevail in the close ones?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 21:56:49 GMT -5
If Tom Gilmore was a great coach, as you state, why did his teams have such a hard time winning close games? HC was 12-25 in games decided by a field goal or less during his time at HC including 4-13 in games decided by 1 point or in over time? Isn't it one of the marks of a great coach that he can make the right calls and manage the clock to prevail in the close ones? Unfortunately, the death of Tom Gilmore can be attributed to four things: 1. 90's Kids 2. Kickers 3. Difficulty Retaining Assistant Coaches 4. Ann McDermott Still beat up UNH pretty good in 2017
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Post by hc87 on Sept 4, 2019 21:58:19 GMT -5
TG was/is probably a good coach in many ways....but he was a bad in-game head coach imo. Lost his cool and pissed away countless games.
That being said, Chesney hasn't earned the accolades many give him here already as well. Jury is still out if he can win outside of a very bad PL.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 4, 2019 22:32:13 GMT -5
So, you propose to judge Coach Chesney on his OOC record only?
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Post by hc87 on Sept 4, 2019 22:36:36 GMT -5
So, you propose to judge Coach Chesney on his OOC record only? I'm a HS basketball/tennis guy but I could go 4-2 in the PL most years....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 22:50:30 GMT -5
So, you propose to judge Coach Chesney on his OOC record only? What would you like to judge him on? His conference record playing teams with a combined record of 14-41? I could pick a random group of people out of local Worcester pubs to destroy 2018 Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, and Fordham.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 4, 2019 22:53:27 GMT -5
I see what you are trying to do.
Let's look at his overall record without discounting the PL. His conference record will be a key measure as all the teams in the PL are operating under the same guidelines and restrictions. Conference record is also a good way of comparing his results to that of former coaches.
Our national ranking per Sagarin, which takes into account the strength of schedule, will be an important yardstick
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 4, 2019 23:40:56 GMT -5
Alums getting played by...? We'll see on Saturday. It will be a good direct comparison of HC vs UNH in Chesney's first year and his second year after a full year of the team learning his system and benefitting (or not) from his motivation. It won't be hard to show improvement vs getting wiped out by UNH last year. I'm looking for the team to appear well coached, disciplined, not beat themselves with mistakes, etc. At least in one of the games last year HC seemed to have the advantage in the fourth quarter from superior conditioning. I'm looking for HC to have it more together in the fourth quarter than UNH with an interim head coach in his first game and a red shirt freshman quarterback playing his first game. I'm looking for HC to seal the edges on defense after they didn't against Navy. HC should be a little more sure footed than UNH because this is our second game and our quarterback's second game and we are playing at home. There is room for HC to be beaten by superior athletes from UNH like they were at Navy, but little room for them to appear lost and mistake prone, consistently give up the same long outside runs they did last week or consistently have inefficient ball transfer from the center to the QB. A way to judge the coaching is if those two obvious errors have been corrected. I hope CD starts so we can see if he has improved from his experience last week and we have a balanced offense between run and pass.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 5, 2019 6:09:31 GMT -5
I think most realistic Crossporters have the view that 1 or 2 OOC wins and 1 (or less) PL loss would make this a successful season. I'd put UNH in the category of a possible win for the reasons longsuffering notes. Beyond that, I don't think there is a wide talent gap between us and UNH any more partially because we've picked it up the last two years in recruiting and partially because they've hit a slight decline (IMHO).
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Post by Tom on Sept 5, 2019 8:01:25 GMT -5
Im not sure how many HC fans there were at Navy. Definitely a good amount. But I do know we need a nice home crowd support for the game on Saturday. Come on Sader Nation show up and get loud. Lets Win! Dorian's latest track is going to be closer to the Cape on Saturday than originally thought. Obviously not the devastation that hit the Bahamas or even close to what the Carolinas are expected to get. However current prediction is for residual effects of storm to make things wet at Fitton. That will likely dampen home crowd support
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Post by putter1 on Sept 5, 2019 8:36:20 GMT -5
If Tom Gilmore was a great coach, as you state, why did his teams have such a hard time winning close games? HC was 12-25 in games decided by a field goal or less during his time at HC including 4-13 in games decided by 1 point or in over time? Isn't it one of the marks of a great coach that he can make the right calls and manage the clock to prevail in the close ones? Unfortunately, the death of Tom Gilmore can be attributed to four things: 1. 90's Kids 2. Kickers 3. Difficulty Retaining Assistant Coaches 4. Ann McDermott Still beat up UNH pretty good in 2017 Chesney took Gilmore's kids and went 4-2 with that group. In his last 9 years Gilmore never had a better record than Chesney's 4-2 after only 1 year. If the PL is so bad (which it is) why couldn't Gilmore win if he was such a great coach. Your 4 reasons are a just a bunch of excuses. you judge a coach by their conference record where they are competing against similiar programs. give Chesney 2-3 years he'll be more competitive with OOC. The current freshmen are his first true recruiting class.
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Post by dharry13 on Sept 5, 2019 8:59:13 GMT -5
At the end of the day Gilmore had a good run. And quite frankly appreciate the only NCAA playoff appearance he helped bring the school in a longggg time. Pretty legit showing too against Nova.
That said - it's a new and different era and honestly I'm pretty excited about. Of course we need to see the wins on the field. No doubt about it. But in my opinion it's very hard to get those wins without talent and a lot of high end talent. I think they are getting that on paper right now.
You have to pile class after class after class, because that creates competition and depth. If they continue down that path I think it will lead to more wins and more NCAA appearances. I could care less BTW if we beat any OOC games all year. What I want is win the PL and get to the playoffs and roll the dice. That's just me, but that's my goal for HC every season - win the PL and get to the playoffs.
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Post by jsherman on Sept 5, 2019 9:06:16 GMT -5
looking forward to the game. I'm flying up to Worcester tomorrow morning. I'll be there for the game!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 9:43:04 GMT -5
At the end of the day Gilmore had a good run. And quite frankly appreciate the only NCAA playoff appearance he helped bring the school in a longggg time. Pretty legit showing too against Nova. That said - it's a new and different era and honestly I'm pretty excited about. Of course we need to see the wins on the field. No doubt about it. But in my opinion it's very hard to get those wins without talent and a lot of high end talent. I think they are getting that on paper right now. You have to pile class after class after class, because that creates competition and depth. If they continue down that path I think it will lead to more wins and more NCAA appearances. I could care less BTW if we beat any OOC games all year. What I want is win the PL and get to the playoffs and roll the dice. That's just me, but that's my goal for HC every season - win the PL and get to the playoffs. I agree with your points and just want to see HC compete on a higher level. The expectation from the fan base/alumni needs to be elevated and will definitely tone it down until we get a larger sampling in 2019 (that's only fair)
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Post by hc87 on Sept 5, 2019 15:42:05 GMT -5
Are the 2-deeps up? Couldn't find quickly....Cozier playing?
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