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Post by rgs318 on Sept 6, 2019 17:38:52 GMT -5
Nice to know this team is terrible before they do anything...like actually play a game.  You must be joking. Kind of irrelevant... conference play is where any improvement is going to be proven or disproven. Not sure what you were saying. Why would you would call the team "terrible" if it is irrelevant? I agree that the PL games are more important than the ooc ones. But they all tell us something about the players. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 6, 2019 17:41:12 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see the team chemistry with a new coaching staff, new offensive and defensive strategies and 5 new players this year.
The first formal practices have not taken place, so I am optimistic that we will see improvements in team speed, play and rebounding.
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Post by spenser on Sept 6, 2019 19:09:10 GMT -5
ADNP is FADNP. Give it up. Move forward.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 6, 2019 20:38:02 GMT -5
Kind of irrelevant... conference play is where any improvement is going to be proven or disproven. Not sure what you were saying. Why would you would call the team "terrible" if it is irrelevant? I agree that the PL games are more important than the ooc ones. But they all tell us something about the players. Because I don't expect decent results with all the changes here. It will take a while, if Nelson's really good we might see something in January. I'd rather get a couple wins against weaker* teams than play guarantees and get croaked. Worry about SOS later. Yes, maybe some of the guys will show flashes and offer hope from the start. And some will struggle especially the new ones, it's a big jump to college ball; regretfully several of them are going to be thrown into the heat right away We saw nothing with Blaney until Year 3 (yes that was a different time and different level). Very little with Ralph until Year 2 (he was surprised they beat PC in his first game; he didn't think they played that well, and the rest of the year seemed to prove that). *I wouldn't count UMB in that; that's really not a game anyone wants. |
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Post by possum on Sept 6, 2019 21:56:02 GMT -5
At this point any optimism for the upcoming season is based on hope rather than reality. Of the returning group we have one quality PL player and a couple of others who might break the top 8 on a good PL team. The freshmen appear to have promise but are unproven and will take time to develop. Most appear to have a lot of confidence in the new coach but he's never done this before and until he produces some positive results I'll reserve judgment particularly in light of the last 3 hires.
I'll be hoping for the best and will measure success more by improvement as the season progresses rather than wins and losses.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 6, 2019 22:23:29 GMT -5
Remember- we will likely be employing a new offense and a new defense and many on this board felt that the Carmody offense and Carmody defense were what caused us to play suboptimally against our PL competitors.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Sept 6, 2019 23:11:55 GMT -5
Remember- we will likely be employing a new offense and a new defense and many on this board felt that the Carmody offense and Carmody defense were what caused us to play suboptimally against our PL competitors. Yes, but simply having a new offensive and defensive system is not going to magically reverse all of the bad habits that the returning players developed or prepare the Freshmen for D1 basketball. There was a combination of factors for why the team finished in 10th place in the PL, including scheme and poor skill level + player development. |
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Post by trimster on Sept 7, 2019 7:12:17 GMT -5
Not sure what you were saying. Why would you would call the team "terrible" if it is irrelevant? I agree that the PL games are more important than the ooc ones. But they all tell us something about the players. Because I don't expect decent results with all the changes here. It will take a while, if Nelson's really good we might see something in January. I'd rather get a couple wins against weaker* teams than play guarantees and get croaked. Worry about SOS later. Yes, maybe some of the guys will show flashes and offer hope from the start. And some will struggle especially the new ones, it's a big jump to college ball; regretfully several of them are going to be thrown into the heat oft We saw nothing with Blaney until Year 3 (yes that was a different time and different level). Very little with Ralph until Year 2 (he was surprised they beat PC in his first game; he didn't think they played that well, and the rest of the year seemed to prove that). *I wouldn't count UMB in that; that's really not a game anyone wants. In all fairness to Ralph Willard, his first team was decimated by injuries, mainly to the starters. The number of games Curry, Pegues, Whearty and I believe Serravalle, missed due to injuries was very high. |
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Post by bigfan on Sept 7, 2019 7:34:51 GMT -5
I base the team on the OOC games, you call see how the team will be later in the season. There is no way to judge the team during league play because
the PL stinks except for Colgate & Bucknell.
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Post by hchoops on Sept 7, 2019 7:36:44 GMT -5
I base the team on the OOC games, you call see how the team will be later in the season. There is no way to judge the team during league play because the PL stinks except for Colgate & Bucknell. Then how did you judge last season’s team ? |
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Post by timholycross on Sept 7, 2019 7:44:45 GMT -5
I base the team on the OOC games, you call see how the team will be later in the season. There is no way to judge the team during league play because the PL stinks except for Colgate & Bucknell. Then how did you judge last season’s team ? Exactly- that's been the m/o several of the past frustrating years. |
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Post by timholycross on Sept 7, 2019 7:47:11 GMT -5
Because I don't expect decent results with all the changes here. It will take a while, if Nelson's really good we might see something in January. I'd rather get a couple wins against weaker* teams than play guarantees and get croaked. Worry about SOS later. Yes, maybe some of the guys will show flashes and offer hope from the start. And some will struggle especially the new ones, it's a big jump to college ball; regretfully several of them are going to be thrown into the heat oft We saw nothing with Blaney until Year 3 (yes that was a different time and different level). Very little with Ralph until Year 2 (he was surprised they beat PC in his first game; he didn't think they played that well, and the rest of the year seemed to prove that). *I wouldn't count UMB in that; that's really not a game anyone wants. In all fairness to Ralph Willard, his first team was decimated by injuries, mainly to the starters. The number of games Curry, Pegues, Whearty and I believe Serravalle, missed due to injuries was very high. Yes, those injuries factored into the result heavily; in this case we have the unexpected defections combined with two of the three holdover classes not having shown much. |
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Post by WorcesterGray on Sept 7, 2019 7:58:32 GMT -5
In all fairness to Ralph Willard, his first team was decimated by injuries, mainly to the starters. The number of games Curry, Pegues, Whearty and I believe Serravalle, missed due to injuries was very high. Only Sankes, Szatko, and Wilson started 20+ games that year. Geo Sanchez logged more minutes than anybody other than those three. Chris Spitler played nearly as many minutes as Whearty and Curry combined.
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Post by Tom on Sept 7, 2019 8:32:51 GMT -5
Because I don't expect decent results with all the changes here. It will take a while, if Nelson's really good we might see something in January. I'd rather get a couple wins against weaker* teams than play guarantees and get croaked. Worry about SOS later. Yes, maybe some of the guys will show flashes and offer hope from the start. And some will struggle especially the new ones, it's a big jump to college ball; regretfully several of them are going to be thrown into the heat oft We saw nothing with Blaney until Year 3 (yes that was a different time and different level). Very little with Ralph until Year 2 (he was surprised they beat PC in his first game; he didn't think they played that well, and the rest of the year seemed to prove that). *I wouldn't count UMB in that; that's really not a game anyone wants. In all fairness to Ralph Willard, his first team was decimated by injuries, mainly to the starters. The number of games Curry, Pegues, Whearty and I believe Serravalle, missed due to injuries was very high. Serravalle did miss more than a third of the season. Let's not forget projected 6th man Dekker McKeever who was in that first scholarship group with Ryan and Pat. He barely had a cameo before getting hurt again |
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Post by rickii on Sept 11, 2019 15:33:55 GMT -5
Nice to know this team is terrible before they do anything...like actually play a game. You must be joking. rgs -
Hey your a good guy but I think you know the deal with this team. We lost way too much personnel to reasonably expect even a .500 record.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 11, 2019 15:55:17 GMT -5
We can "expect" whatever we want. We have a coach whose ability we do not yet know and we have no idea how he will be using the players he has at his disposal. Unlike some I cannot know the future, especially with so many unknowns in play. What I can do is root for the team and hope for the best.
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