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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 2, 2019 15:50:16 GMT -5
chc8485, those $ stats do not reflect scollie aid. I believe women's BB has the max number of scollies allowed by the NCAA; men's ice hockey scollies are capped by the league that HC is in, and are fewer than allowed by the NCAA; HC's softball scollies are substantially fewer than allowed by the NCAA (12 full scollie equivalents)
Of the six, non-academy PL schools fielding softball teams, HC and Lafayette spent the least in 2017-18, both a bit over $700,000. The other four schools each spent over $1 million, with BostU topping the list at $1.3 million.
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Post by bison137 on Oct 2, 2019 17:02:52 GMT -5
chc8485, those $ stats do not reflect scollie aid. I believe women's BB has the max number of scollies allowed by the NCAA; men's ice hockey scollies are capped by the league that HC is in, and are fewer than allowed by the NCAA; HC's softball scollies are substantially fewer than allowed by the NCAA (12 full scollie equivalents) Of the six, non-academy PL schools fielding softball teams, HC and Lafayette spent the least in 2017-18, both a bit over $700,000. The other four schools each spent over $1 million, with BostU topping the list at $1.3 million. For a bit more clarity, PL softball basically has three spending tiers at the moment. HC and LC are well below the others. Then Colgate, Lehigh, and Bucknell are about the same, spending slightly a bit over $1 Million. And Boston U - as it usually is - is the big spender, at over $1.3 Million. Results have pretty much tracked the expenditures, except that Colgate has greatly underachieved relative to the dollars.
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Post by HC13 on Oct 2, 2019 17:44:58 GMT -5
chc8485, those $ stats do not reflect scollie aid. I believe women's BB has the max number of scollies allowed by the NCAA; men's ice hockey scollies are capped by the league that HC is in, and are fewer than allowed by the NCAA; HC's softball scollies are substantially fewer than allowed by the NCAA (12 full scollie equivalents) Of the six, non-academy PL schools fielding softball teams, HC and Lafayette spent the least in 2017-18, both a bit over $700,000. The other four schools each spent over $1 million, with BostU topping the list at $1.3 million. I don't believe that they have had more than 13 scholarship players on the women's BB team.at any time in recent years. For example, Pedi & Mazza were both recruited walkons although IIRC Pedi did get a scollie last year. Uncertain if that has bee coaches choice or school limit.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 2, 2019 17:45:34 GMT -5
The snow melts in Hamilton shortly before the Softball season ends. Colgate dropped baseball in 1996 after 110 years. Abner Doubleday died in 1893, so it is possible he saw some Colgate games. Colgate started Softball in 1979 and continued it when they dropped baseball. Was that due to Title 9 or just a drop in interest in baseball? I noticed Colgate baseball was in the PL and then they spent the last two seasons as a D-1 Independent. There can't be too many incidents of a core member of the PL withdrawing a varsity sport from league play and continuing on as a D-1 Independent.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 2, 2019 17:53:41 GMT -5
chc8485, those $ stats do not reflect scollie aid. I believe women's BB has the max number of scollies allowed by the NCAA; men's ice hockey scollies are capped by the league that HC is in, and are fewer than allowed by the NCAA; HC's softball scollies are substantially fewer than allowed by the NCAA (12 full scollie equivalents) Of the six, non-academy PL schools fielding softball teams, HC and Lafayette spent the least in 2017-18, both a bit over $700,000. The other four schools each spent over $1 million, with BostU topping the list at $1.3 million. I don't believe that they have had more than 13 scholarship players on the women's BB team.at any time in recent years. For example, Pedi & Mazza were both recruited walkons although IIRC Pedi did get a scollie last year. Uncertain if that has bee coaches choice or school limit. Pedi's playing time appeared to drop after AM took over. Since we are not getting any new commits right now there is probably no risk to anyone's scholarship this year, but when a walk-on gets upgraded to a scholarship player is it a season by season upgrade or a commitment for the rest of that player's eligibility?
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Post by HC13 on Oct 2, 2019 18:18:53 GMT -5
I think that is up to each school, some offer a 4 year guarantee, others keep the yr to yr, which I think is the general rule. Seeing how she's a senior & on the roster, I doubt AM stripped it.
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Post by Tom on Oct 2, 2019 18:21:35 GMT -5
Colgate dropped baseball in 1996 after 110 years. . . Colgate started Softball in 1979 and continued it when they dropped baseball. Was that due to Title 9 or just a drop in interest in baseball? I can't speak for Colgate specifically, but I think most schools that drop baseball do so for Title IX reasons
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 2, 2019 19:54:46 GMT -5
Our softball team had a very strong frosh class last spring and brought in 7 recruits in this class - I understand we have 4 schollies distributed among the players- we might see this team improve very soon
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 2, 2019 19:56:10 GMT -5
Women's hoops are allowed 15 scollies, two more than the men. As HC13 notes, HC seems to award fewer than 15. BostU spent the most ($2.2M) on women's hoops, then Lafayette at $1.84M, followed closely by Bucknell and HC at about $1.77M. The most parsimonious was AU at $1.57M. HC and BostU had the highest operating expenses at $246K.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 22, 2022 14:01:07 GMT -5
BG switched lawyers in November 2021. It's hard to say what this means, but it usually points to some irreconcilable disagreement between attorney and client. Of course, there are more innocuous explanations as well (e.g., atty illness, retirement, etc.).
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Post by timholycross on Jan 23, 2022 7:36:48 GMT -5
No doubt the pandemic would have created a pause in the action as well.
Good discussion topic: how many juniors and sophomores on the current team is BG responsible for bringing to HC? Freshmen are Magarity's and seniors are his for sure.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 23, 2022 7:57:31 GMT -5
Has anyone seen or heard of BG lately - is he working anywhere ?
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Post by HC13 on Jan 23, 2022 8:06:42 GMT -5
No doubt the pandemic would have created a pause in the action as well. Good discussion topic: how many juniors and sophomores on the current team is BG responsible for bringing to HC? Freshmen are Magarity's and seniors are his for sure. I believe that BPC is the only Non-BG commit, she was a late addition to the class by AM. Davis, Allen & McCormack were early commits. Cross & Flaherty committed to BG.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 23, 2022 8:14:37 GMT -5
3 wins, 1 loss, 1 jury still out (Davis).
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 23, 2022 17:53:57 GMT -5
3 wins, 1 loss, 1 jury still out (Davis). Any report card on MM's recruits besides incomplete? Is Huber cleared medically to play? Munt and Berger aren't ROY candidates like AL and BPC but are contributing. Davis might have upside to be a BPC but two inches taller. But hard to catch up to BPC's international and PG experience after being out due to injury so long. That is a winning formula for undergraduate only HC: International national team experience and/or a PG year. It's one strategy to compensate for losing graduate transfers.
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Post by HC13 on Jan 23, 2022 20:02:47 GMT -5
I agree, Huber & Berger, incomplete, Huber fell behind due to a injury in pre-season, appears not to have done enough in practice yet to earn meaningful minutes. Berger looks promising, but not unsurprising she has struggled to find time in the court. I think the hardest position to transition from HS to college is center. The physical play & speed of the game is substantially greater than in HS. Munt has had a number of nagging, but not series injuries. Her play has improved & I suspect her minutes will be increasing. I doubt HC is going to be doing much overseas recruiting - too expensive and not proven success on the mid/low major level. There are not a lot of opportunities for girls overseas. Basically, most of the kids who come directly to college come from a handful of countries, Australia, Spain, Croatia, Canada and at one time Russia. BPC sort of fell into HC's lap, she only had one other known offer and, so far , has exceeded expectations. I don't know that you should change your entire approach to recruiting based on her. I believe that MM has focused a good amount of their recent recruiting on & in the private prep school in New England & the metro DC area.
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Post by coachrt on Jan 24, 2022 12:54:56 GMT -5
I agree, Huber & Berger, incomplete, Huber fell behind due to a injury in pre-season, appears not to have done enough in practice yet to earn meaningful minutes. Berger looks promising, but not unsurprising she has struggled to find time in the court. I think the hardest position to transition from HS to college is center. The physical play & speed of the game is substantially greater than in HS. Munt has had a number of nagging, but not series injuries. Her play has improved & I suspect her minutes will be increasing. I doubt HC is going to be doing much overseas recruiting - too expensive and not proven success on the mid/low major level. There are not a lot of opportunities for girls overseas. Basically, most of the kids who come directly to college come from a handful of countries, Australia, Spain, Croatia, Canada and at one time Russia. BPC sort of fell into HC's lap, she only had one other known offer and, so far , has exceeded expectations. I don't know that you should change your entire approach to recruiting based on her. I believe that MM has focused a good amount of their recent recruiting on & in the private prep school in New England & the metro DC area. Well I don't totally agree that recruiting overseas is not successful for mid/low major levels. The Maine women had a team that was very good with mostly plyers from overseas just before the pandemic. I know of a lot of coaching staffs that head over to Europe to recruit. Yes its expensive but look a some rosters and you'll see foreign players sprinkled about.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 13:09:01 GMT -5
If a school balks at a recruiting trip to Europe, would it be within the rules for the coach to offer a potential recruit or two a scholarship to their on campus summer camp with accomodations for the player and a parent(s) as long as the family paid for travel?
That might work with some families but it might be too close to a bribe. I assume gifts to recruits are regulated.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 24, 2022 13:19:47 GMT -5
So, here's my question: If a kid from Europe (or elsewhere) lands a spot on a college athletic team, does that generate enough publicity "back home" so that "regular" (read: ability to full pay) students are attracted to the school? We know that Holy Cross and other like-minded schools would be happy to get more foreign students to matriculate and help fill the coffers. Perhaps getting some foreign athletes, even on scholarship might help not just on the court or field but publicity-wise and be seen as an investment rather than an expense. "Chumming the waters" so to speak.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 24, 2022 13:22:25 GMT -5
If a school balks at a recruiting trip to Europe, would it be within the rules for the coach to offer a potential recruit or two a scholarship to their on campus summer camp with accomodations for the player and a parent(s) as long as the family paid for travel? Would definitely violate NCAA rules.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 24, 2022 14:06:35 GMT -5
Could a new thread be started? After all, this one stopped having any connection to BG some time back.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 24, 2022 14:45:07 GMT -5
For some reason, when I hear mention of a recruiting trip to Europe, I keep thinking of Fordham’s former basketball coach Jeff Neubauer’s recruiting trip to Prague.🙄
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 24, 2022 15:00:12 GMT -5
So, here's my question: If a kid from Europe (or elsewhere) lands a spot on a college athletic team, does that generate enough publicity "back home" so that "regular" (read: ability to full pay) students are attracted to the school? We know that Holy Cross and other like-minded schools would be happy to get more foreign students to matriculate and help fill the coffers. Perhaps getting some foreign athletes, even on scholarship might help not just on the court or field but publicity-wise and be seen as an investment rather than an expense. "Chumming the waters" so to speak. Many of the international recruits go through "services" to get them to the states. This is especially true in Tennis and Golf. Look at Franklin Pierce tennis teams for example, a D2 school in the middle of nowhere in NH. www.fpuravens.com/sports/mten/2021-22/rosterwww.fpuravens.com/sports/wten/2021-22/rosterOr Fairleigh Dickinson Golf fduknights.com/sports/mens-golf/rosterfduknights.com/sports/womens-golf/rosterEven Dartmouth (much better school) has four internationals on their WBB program dartmouthsports.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster
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Post by coachrt on Jan 24, 2022 15:20:12 GMT -5
Well just to bring it back to the original title of the thread. I do not believe BG is currently employed anywhere.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 24, 2022 15:31:23 GMT -5
So, here's my question: If a kid from Europe (or elsewhere) lands a spot on a college athletic team, does that generate enough publicity "back home" so that "regular" (read: ability to full pay) students are attracted to the school? We know that Holy Cross and other like-minded schools would be happy to get more foreign students to matriculate and help fill the coffers. Perhaps getting some foreign athletes, even on scholarship might help not just on the court or field but publicity-wise and be seen as an investment rather than an expense. "Chumming the waters" so to speak. Holy Cross currently advertises in Monaco, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein.😂
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