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Post by MeatWilkerson on Oct 4, 2019 18:00:40 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 4, 2019 20:19:32 GMT -5
MEAT make sense.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 4, 2019 20:59:01 GMT -5
Dartmouth also has plenty of power conference talent - they’re whipping penn tonight 28-7 in the 4th qtr
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 5, 2019 1:14:36 GMT -5
Dartmouth also has plenty of power conference talent - they’re whipping penn tonight 28-7 in the 4th qtr I was at the Dartmouth demolition of a depleted Colgate team and they are for real!
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Post by MeatWilkerson on Oct 5, 2019 8:14:47 GMT -5
Could we even beat Columbia or are they just too good for us now? MEAT wants answers!
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Post by deep Purple on Oct 5, 2019 9:59:38 GMT -5
It's too bad they dont challenge themselves. It would be great to see a team like Dartmouth or Yale take on a lower fbs team.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 5, 2019 20:45:40 GMT -5
It's too bad they dont challenge themselves. It would be great to see a team like Dartmouth or Yale take on a lower fbs team. Yale did beat Army in 2014 in New Haven. They also defeated CAA champ Maine last year. As far as the Ivy goes, Yale is probably the team that schedules "outside the box" most often. Dartmouth I believe is playing at West Point sometime in the next few years. They have been all over the place scheduling-wise of late, with a particularly weak slate this year. The "on-again, off-again" Granite State series with UNH is set to re-start again next season.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 5, 2019 21:12:59 GMT -5
If Harvard, Yale, and Princeton really wanted to, they could elevate themselves to the level of a Northwestern or Duke in several years.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 5, 2019 22:22:25 GMT -5
As far as overall talent and quality of play, the Ivy League is MUCH stronger than it was 25-30 years ago. The league is much deeper (and probably stronger at the top too) than it was even 10 years ago. For a while it was Harvard/Penn/Yale at the top and then just everyone else. Look where they are now. Brown might be the worst squad in the Ivy while Holy Cross still appears to be the on-paper slight PL favorite yet next week's game is basically a toss-up.
It wasn't that long ago that Dartmouth was on par with Bucknell football-wise. Bad enough to the point that they decided to not renew on-going series with Colgate and UNH because of lack of competitiveness. And Teevens has been the guy the whole time.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 5, 2019 22:31:38 GMT -5
The Ivies have improved but let's pump the brakes on how good they are today. Bettah than they were 10 or so years ago but they aren't beating or coming close to beating FBS schools in the Northeast today in most cases (UConn and UMass excepted ).
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 5, 2019 22:54:26 GMT -5
The Ivies have improved but let's pump the brakes on how good they are today. Bettah than they were 10 or so years ago but they aren't beating or coming close to beating FBS schools in the Northeast today in most cases (UConn and UMass excepted ). 87, you know your stuff. Looking at Jeff Sagarin's rating page, here's where the top Ivies would fall compared to top FCS and some regional FBS (through last week's games: 46 North Dakota State 47 Maryland 54 Syracuse 72 Navy 75 Army 78 Temple 86 Boston College 87 James Madison 97 Buffalo 110 Princeton (7th overall in FCS)117 Villanova 130 Dartmouth (15th overall in FCS)134 Rutgers 151 Yale
160 UCONN Note that UMass is the WORST ranked FBS at 204. Holy Cross came in at 194.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 5, 2019 23:53:26 GMT -5
Yale vs UConn and Harvard vs UMass would be good instate rivalries while the two State Universities are mired in FBS-INO (in name only) status.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 6, 2019 10:45:01 GMT -5
No doubt HYP are all in for national championships (and national championship tournaments) in many - if not most - sports. Football is and has been an exception to this for many many years.
Beyond that, as all posters now realize, HYP are now in a position (regarding football) to tell a qualified recruit's mom "Do you want to send your son to HYP at NO COST to play football and have a shot at the NFL? Even if he decides he does not like college football after a month or two, he can stay at NO COST until he graduates." (This would include all income level parents up to what many would regard as middle or upper middle class kids...so it is the vast majority of potential kids.) Of course they don't land every kid they are after with that pitch and they don't throw that pitch at unqualified kids ...but one could see how mommy and daddy (and even junior with NFL aspirations) would jump on that.
(Does this mean I think they could beat JMU now and make a run at the FCS national championships? No, but HYP leadership is not interested in that.)
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Post by HC92 on Oct 6, 2019 10:54:03 GMT -5
Yale vs UConn and Harvard vs UMass would be good instate rivalries while the two State Universities are mired in FBS-INO (in name only) status. Can’t see UConn agreeing to get its butt kicked every year by an in-state FCS team. In a state with serious budget issues, playing mid-level FCS football on an FBS budget doesn’t make any sense. No need to shine a spotlight on it for the taxpayers if you are the AD or the football coach. .
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 6, 2019 11:09:24 GMT -5
UConn is the third best Division I team in the state right now. SHU and D-II New Haven would quite possibly give them a run for their money.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 6, 2019 11:56:08 GMT -5
Make that the 4th best D.1 team in Ct. - CCSU is very good and whipped Sacred Heart yday 28-3 in Fairfield. CCSU should have won at Eastern Michigan if it wasn't for a blocked punt returned for a TD with 30 secs left (and Eastern beat Ilinois this season !) - The level of concern in Storrs has to be very serious right now. The state of affairs is well beyond simple embarrassment now.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 6, 2019 12:33:03 GMT -5
CCSU definitely better than UCONN right now -- I was taking them into account when I said UConn third-best DI. So my CT state rankings would be:
1) Yale 2) CCSU 3) UConn 4) SHU
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