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Post by longsuffering on Oct 6, 2019 22:53:44 GMT -5
Could somebody investigate how Georgetown Football is attaining champagne results on a root beer budget? Results of the investigation requested before the last game of the season, please.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 7, 2019 6:07:33 GMT -5
Smart scheduling, quality coach who understands Georgetown football, and some pretty good players have them well positioned to make a run at the PL title this year. That's my preliminary findings - awaiting the results of a full investigation.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 7, 2019 6:11:49 GMT -5
Clearly a case of Russian interference on behalf of the Hoyas.
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Post by gks on Oct 7, 2019 8:20:47 GMT -5
A prior HC coach always claimed that Georgetown was more generous with their football aid than they perceived to be. They've recruited well and have a good group right now.
On the flip side their OOC schedule isn't close to HC's. We'll see what happens when it becomes the weekly grind of league games.
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Post by alum on Oct 7, 2019 8:38:49 GMT -5
A prior HC coach always claimed that Georgetown was more generous with their football aid than they perceived to be. They've recruited well and have a good group right now. On the flip side their OOC schedule isn't close to HC's. We'll see what happens when it becomes the weekly grind of league games. On the old board, we had a poster who wrote about his son's experience being recruited by Georgetown. As I recall, he was full pay or near to it. When he asked the coach about juicing the financial aid package, the coach told him, in effect, "Hey, I got your kid into Georgetown. Be happy with that." |
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 7, 2019 12:11:57 GMT -5
Those who know ANYTHING about US history should know that the ancient eight would NEVER have invited and never will invite a Catholic institution into there club....................NEVER.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 7, 2019 12:34:19 GMT -5
Those who know ANYTHING about US history should know that the ancient eight would NEVER have invited and never will invite a Catholic institution into there club....................NEVER. The Ancient Eight has achieved symmetry in an asymmetrical Athletic Conference world. Tales of the league expanding always come from outside the league, not inside the league. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 7, 2019 12:37:44 GMT -5
I cannot imagine any circumstances under which the Ivy League would add a new member--just doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 7, 2019 18:50:37 GMT -5
A prior HC coach always claimed that Georgetown was more generous with their football aid than they perceived to be. They've recruited well and have a good group right now. On the flip side their OOC schedule isn't close to HC's. We'll see what happens when it becomes the weekly grind of league games. On the old board, we had a poster who wrote about his son's experience being recruited by Georgetown. As I recall, he was full pay or near to it. When he asked the coach about juicing the financial aid package, the coach told him, in effect, "Hey, I got your kid into Georgetown. Be happy with that." I think your anecdote goes a long way towards answering the question. GU has morphed into an elite school that can offer side door admission to highly regarded recruits. HC won't and perhaps can't do that like GU and the Ivies can. Unless Chesney's charm is working on the HC Admissions Dept. |
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 7, 2019 19:00:02 GMT -5
... doesn't make sense to them, either. We all have serious well founded doubts. But, the ND story involved a feeler from Hesburgh to an Ivy Pres., not vice versa. Still aren't we all so lucky to be alums and of course LoveHC I feel very lucky, especially since I might not have been admitted after co-education began and there were less spaces available for male applicants. I was not the brightest bulb on the Festivus Tree.☺️ |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 7, 2019 19:19:28 GMT -5
Fewer
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 7, 2019 19:42:20 GMT -5
Like I said, not the brightest bulb.😝
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 7, 2019 20:07:04 GMT -5
There is no reason ever for the Ivy League ever to expand. Students of all academic backgrounds accept admissions offers to all eight Ivy League schools specifically because of the football league they play in. Thousands every year choose to attend Brown, Penn, Harvard or Columbia as opposed to Duke, Notre Dame, Georgetown or NYU because "it has always been my dream to go to an Ivy League school".
"I chose Colgate over Hamilton College because it has always been my dream to attend a Patriot League school." - Nobody ever
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 7, 2019 20:12:21 GMT -5
On the old board, we had a poster who wrote about his son's experience being recruited by Georgetown. As I recall, he was full pay or near to it. When he asked the coach about juicing the financial aid package, the coach told him, in effect, "Hey, I got your kid into Georgetown. Be happy with that." I think your anecdote goes a long way towards answering the question. GU has morphed into an elite school that can offer side door admission to highly regarded recruits. HC won't and perhaps can't do that like GU and the Ivies can. Unless Chesney's charm is working on the HC Admissions Dept. Sometime in the next 24 hours, DFW Hoya will log on here and debunk this theory. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 8, 2019 21:19:22 GMT -5
I think your anecdote goes a long way towards answering the question. GU has morphed into an elite school that can offer side door admission to highly regarded recruits. HC won't and perhaps can't do that like GU and the Ivies can. Unless Chesney's charm is working on the HC Admissions Dept. Sometime in the next 24 hours, DFW Hoya will log on here and debunk this theory. (24 hours? I missed it by an hour.) The story appears inaccurate because the football office does not have the ability to offer admission. All decisions come by the office of Admissions. While getting on the football list may have been a plus to that prospect's admissions chances within the Ivy (aka Patriot League) Index, the final decision is outside their purview and often times the financial aid is not enough to get a commitment, even with an offer of admission. As to why Georgetown is doing better in 2019, three reasons: 1. Depth. Much less turnover than in previous seasons. 2. Georgetown is not competing head to head with other PL schools on recruiting to the same degree others do and increasingly finds kids in areas outside the PL footprint. 3. Sgarlata has stabilized the coaching staff. A high cost of living and a low salary for assistants is not a recipe for stability. To my chagrin, the schedule is admittedly soft. Georgetown wouldn't be 4-1 playing HC's schedule; but then again, those schools that play HC don't want to play Georgetown. This is an ongoing problem that will continue to raise eyebrows as the other PL schools upgrade their opponents. georgetownfootball.blogspot.com/2019/09/cua-wth.html |
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 8, 2019 21:59:59 GMT -5
Sometime in the next 24 hours, DFW Hoya will log on here and debunk this theory. (24 hours? I missed it by an hour.) The story appears inaccurate because the football office does not have the ability to offer admission. All decisions come by the office of Admissions. While getting on the football list may have been a plus to that prospect's admissions chances within the Ivy (aka Patriot League) Index, the final decision is outside their purview and often times the financial aid is not enough to get a commitment, even with an offer of admission. As to why Georgetown is doing better in 2019, three reasons: 1. Depth. Much less turnover than in previous seasons. 2. Georgetown is not competing head to head with other PL schools on recruiting to the same degree others do and increasingly finds kids in areas outside the PL footprint. 3. Sgarlata has stabilized the coaching staff. A high cost of living and a low salary for assistants is not a recipe for stability. To my chagrin, the schedule is admittedly soft. Georgetown wouldn't be 4-1 playing HC's schedule; but then again, those schools that play HC don't want to play Georgetown. This is an ongoing problem that will continue to raise eyebrows as the other PL schools upgrade their opponents. georgetownfootball.blogspot.com/2019/09/cua-wth.htmlGreat link Hoya. Paints a depressing picture of a 4-1 team, but what if Georgetown stumbles into winning the PL championship and draws North Dakota State at NDS in the opening round? Will GU pay the airfare and show up?☺️ Sounds like the inconvenient truth for GU Administration is your head coach has put together a darn good team and the program is on the upswing despite the "benign neglect" it has been shown by the University. |
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Post by hcpride on Oct 9, 2019 4:10:48 GMT -5
With an OOC of 2 Ivies, 2 PFLs, and Catholic U this year it is certainly true other PL schools have tougher OOCs.
That being said, they are one of the favorites at this point for the PL championship. Don’t think their schedule has hurt them at all in pursuit of their goal (PL championship).
There are school- specific paths to football ‘success’ and Georgetown seems to have found one that is working right now. (This is not to say their schedule is the only reason for their current success....other posters have noted other factors.).
In their case facilities, athletic schollies, new head coach, and FBS opponents are not critical ingredients in pursuit of football ‘success’.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 9, 2019 6:16:36 GMT -5
Sometimes a coach can make all the difference. Perhaps that's the case with Georgetown
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 9, 2019 6:29:27 GMT -5
DFWHoya has previously noted that Georgetown (and Fordham) adhere to the PL Academic Index for football-only. And GU's school-wide AI is the the highest in the PL, and probably close to, if not the equal of, Cornell's AI. (An essential ingredient in the AI process is the determination of the school-wide AI.)
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Post by crossbball13 on Oct 9, 2019 8:07:15 GMT -5
(An essential ingredient in the AI process is the determination of the school-wide AI.) What do you mean by that? Because Loyola MD has a lower school wide AI, can they get kids qualified academically that other PL schools can’t? |
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Post by gks on Oct 9, 2019 8:17:46 GMT -5
Would still like to know what G-Town's equivalencies are.
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Post by alum on Oct 9, 2019 8:53:08 GMT -5
Sometime in the next 24 hours, DFW Hoya will log on here and debunk this theory. (24 hours? I missed it by an hour.) The story appears inaccurate because the football office does not have the ability to offer admission. All decisions come by the office of Admissions. While getting on the football list may have been a plus to that prospect's admissions chances within the Ivy (aka Patriot League) Index, the final decision is outside their purview and often times the financial aid is not enough to get a commitment, even with an offer of admission. As to why Georgetown is doing better in 2019, three reasons: 1. Depth. Much less turnover than in previous seasons. 2. Georgetown is not competing head to head with other PL schools on recruiting to the same degree others do and increasingly finds kids in areas outside the PL footprint. 3. Sgarlata has stabilized the coaching staff. A high cost of living and a low salary for assistants is not a recipe for stability. To my chagrin, the schedule is admittedly soft. Georgetown wouldn't be 4-1 playing HC's schedule; but then again, those schools that play HC don't want to play Georgetown. This is an ongoing problem that will continue to raise eyebrows as the other PL schools upgrade their opponents. georgetownfootball.blogspot.com/2019/09/cua-wth.htmlI believe the story. I didn't say that the coach made the admissions offer. The story, as I recall it, was that after admission and receipt of the financial aid package the father asked the coach whether some/some more financial aid was available and the coach told him, "No," and made the point that the kid would not likely have gotten in without his intercession. Anyone who doesn't believe that Georgetown coaches don't have juice for some number of players at Admissions is kidding him or herself. The kid would have had to meet the AI, but Georgetown, like many great schools, declines more kids that meet the AI than it accepts. That's where the coach comes in. I am sure that the coach was p---sed because he made a push for the kid's admission and then was burned. That likely caused him to offer an impolitic, but very accurate, response. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 9, 2019 9:03:40 GMT -5
(An essential ingredient in the AI process is the determination of the school-wide AI.) What do you mean by that? Because Loyola MD has a lower school wide AI, can they get kids qualified academically that other PL schools can’t? Taking Loyola first, because its simpler. In both the PL and the IL, the AI has a floor, an AI score of 168 in the PL and 176 in the IL. No recruit can be admitted and play a sport if their AI score is below the floor. Assuming that the schoolwide AI for Loyola is 190, and the one standard deviation of the schoolwide AI is 177, then the average AI for all recruited athletes at Loyola would need to be 177, although individual recruits could have an AI as low as 168, provided it was offset by recruit(s) with AI scores higher than 177. The school-wide AI is particularly important in football because of the 'bands'. There are four bands, the two that are most critical from a recruiting standpoint are the 'low' and low-low' bands, where the number of recruits with AI scores in those bands is limited. For an IL school with a school-wide AI of 220, an AI of one standard deviation from the schoolwide AI is guesstimnated as 207. (Compare to a guesstimated 177 for Loyola, supra.) The next band is the low band, with recruits that have AI scores between 193 and 206. The next band, the 'low low' band would be for recruits with AI scores between 192 and the 'floor' of 176. Very few are admitted from the low-low band. Assuming Fordham has a school-wide AI of 200, the first band would include recruits whose AI was within one standard deviation, and guessing that might be an AI score of 187 or above. The second band would be between 186 and 173. The low band would be between 172 and the PL floor of 168. There is no low low band for Fordham because of the standard deviation for this band is below the PL floor. |
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Post by joe on Oct 9, 2019 9:04:46 GMT -5
Let's flip the script . . . Georgetown is not playing a weak OOC schedule, but rather an OOC schedule which is appropriate for a good PL team in 2019. It is the rest of the PL teams who are playing an OOC schedule which is way over their heads. Chew on that for a minute.
By the way it must feel nice being 4-1 and heading into PL play, no matter bad your home stadium is.
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 9, 2019 9:08:57 GMT -5
As to why Georgetown is doing better in 2019, three reasons: 1. Depth. Much less turnover than in previous seasons. 2. Georgetown is not competing head to head with other PL schools on recruiting to the same degree others do and increasingly finds kids in areas outside the PL footprint. 3. Sgarlata has stabilized the coaching staff. A high cost of living and a low salary for assistants is not a recipe for stability. To my chagrin, the schedule is admittedly soft. Georgetown wouldn't be 4-1 playing HC's schedule; but then again, those schools that play HC don't want to play Georgetown. This is an ongoing problem that will continue to raise eyebrows as the other PL schools upgrade their opponents. georgetownfootball.blogspot.com/2019/09/cua-wth.htmlSometimes a coach can make all the difference. Perhaps that's the case with Georgetown In the words of Bucknell play-by-play honk, Doug Birdsong, BINGO! Sgarlata is directly responsible for all 3 factors cited by DFW as to why Georgetown has improved in 2019. Coaching. Coaching. Coaching. It really is the most important factor to success in most collegiate sports, particularly at the PL Level. And football is the sport where the outcome is most dependent on the coach for success. |
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